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fred79
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posted April 18, 2014 08:26 PM |
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the pain of cutting some arteries wouldn't have detered me, had i decided to go through with it in that manner. you do not think about what would be considered a minor discomfort, when you are feeling the pain of being truly suicidal.
anyone who could possibly mess up cutting themselves the right way to bleed out quickly, didn't really want to die. all it would take is 5 minutes of research, to find where and how you need to cut. the ones who failed, planned to, or were caught before they could bleed out. sometimes, even the best planning can be thwarted by a surprise visit. 
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fred79
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posted April 18, 2014 08:34 PM |
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artu said:
Besides, I imagine it would hurt, how can you be comfy while you're deeply cut.
feeling pain while bleeding out, when you truly want to die, would be a relief. you would know it is really happening, and you could finally feel the sweet release that is associated with letting an awful, awful life go.
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JoonasTo
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posted April 18, 2014 08:39 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 20:42, 18 Apr 2014.
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A lot of suicide attempts are done when drunk, high or otherwise snowed up in some way. It just seemed like a good idea at the time doesn't usually involve research. 
Suicide, just like anything else, like murder, is very much related to the means available.
Just look at UK, when they banned the kind of gas stoves people used to kill themselves with suicide rates dropped by 90% and never recovered.
Same thing with chinese plants where people used to jump from the roof, they installed the safety nets to catch jumpers and voila! Huge drops in suicide rates.
Let's face it, people are snowing lazy even when it comes to killing themselves.
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artu
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posted April 18, 2014 08:51 PM |
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fred79 said:
artu said:
Besides, I imagine it would hurt, how can you be comfy while you're deeply cut.
feeling pain while bleeding out, when you truly want to die, would be a relief. you would know it is really happening, and you could finally feel the sweet release that is associated with letting an awful, awful life go.
Not necessarily. Well, not probably.
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So, if I'm in UK and I put my head in the oven turning on the gas and nothing happens?
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JoonasTo
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posted April 18, 2014 08:52 PM |
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I don't know the difference between the old and new, the old used to route the gas directly to the oven perhaps?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 18, 2014 09:02 PM |
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artu said:
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even our primitive materialist understanding of the concept
Actually, since hunter-gatherer times, all primitive peoples believed in some kind of after-life. The materialistic understanding of the concept comes after the Age of Reason, it's not primitive, on the contrary, it's realistic.
What I meant by primitive is that it's that our understanding of death is so underdeveloped that it's almost a joke.
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artu
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posted April 18, 2014 11:02 PM |
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I don't think there's too much to understand as in "what happens when you die?" You simply end. Finito! Bug food. The reflections of awareness of our own mortality, the concept of death, on the other hand, is a never-ending subject of debate and the most serious, never-aging theme of art.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 18, 2014 11:12 PM |
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You simply end.
The evidence for that is...?
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posted April 18, 2014 11:19 PM |
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Maybe someone told him.
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artu
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posted April 19, 2014 12:13 AM |
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Edited by artu at 00:29, 19 Apr 2014.
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The evidence is, your consciousness is the interactions and neuro-chemical process of your brain and it ceases to exist. We're not in the 17th century where philosophers debate the metaphysical qualities of the mind. We know which part of the brain controls dialog, which part controls sense of direction, which part memories etc etc... You can not have a personality leave your body and keep on living as a soul without those functionalities. It's just too much of a fairy tale to consider a serious possibility.
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posted April 19, 2014 01:07 AM |
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If a man wants to kill himself, I'll give him reasons why he shouldn't. If he still wants to kill himself, I'll find him a sharp blade.
I think one of the greatest rights society still fails to acknowledge is a person's right to die at a time of their choosing.
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meroe
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posted April 19, 2014 02:42 AM |
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Edited by meroe at 02:44, 19 Apr 2014.
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Its making me suicidal reading all this.
Quite how it got onto the questionable proof that God does not exist or that we don't have a soul, to singing Kumbayah to suicidal people will suddenly make it all better, or various modes of killing yourself, I will never understand
Suicide tends to affect those left behind to pick up the pieces (not metaphorically, unless it was suicide bomb, and I think that comes under a different category). Family, friends etc - are the ones facing years of questions and heartbreak.
And it is much different to euthanasia. When someone stricken with a debilitating, painful and long drawn out disease, they may decide with their family members that they cannot continue to live. More often than not, these people will never get better. Nothing more can be done for them. However this is a conscious decision, made by one person with the acceptance and assistance of others/family/loved ones. And as sad as it is, loved ones are often relieved that there is no suffering anymore.
And we all know that many general hospital staff have allowed patients to slip away without interference is well known. Withdrawal of medication and fluids is common. Especially in England.
Very unlike suicide. Which is a solitary act, done by an isolated and frightened/depressed individual. There is nobody holding their hand as they die. No saying goodbye to those they love.
You just leave a note saying sorry.
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artu
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posted April 19, 2014 03:05 AM |
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God and an after-life are hardly mutually inclusive. One does not dictate the other. You may name your mind a soul, a spirit, whatever you wish, but if you put wishful thinking aside, it's very clear that your personality happens to be the result of what your brain processes. That's how anti-depressants work and that's why people can turn stupid because of head injuries. What exactly happens to the soul while you're going through Alzheimer?
Of course, God can be used as an instrument to mystify things, since he's allegedly omnipotent, he can make anything possible and if anything is possible, everything around us can be implanted dreams or visions. But at that level of mysticism, there is no expectation of any sort of evidence to begin with. So, it's basically a platform of speculation where anything can be everything which is explaining absolutely nothing.
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posted April 19, 2014 04:03 AM |
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meroe said:
And it is much different to euthanasia.
The difference between euthanasia and some suicides is only the person commiting suicide is still able to take the decision in his own hands.
I told you about the movie "Mar Adentro". The only reason the guy in the movie was fighting for the right to have medical assistance to euthanasia was the fact that he couldn't move his hands. He wanted to dye with the dignity he was unable to live with.
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posted April 19, 2014 11:29 AM |
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JoonasTo said:
Suicide, just like anything else, like murder, is very much related to the means available.
Just look at UK, when they banned the kind of gas stoves people used to kill themselves with suicide rates dropped by 90% and never recovered.
Same thing with chinese plants where people used to jump from the roof, they installed the safety nets to catch jumpers and voila! Huge drops in suicide rates.
Let's face it, people are snowing lazy even when it comes to killing themselves.
Heh.. Why am I not surprised.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 19, 2014 12:44 PM |
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personality happens to be the result of what your brain processes.
Consciousness and personality are widely believed by neurobiologists to be a function of the brain, but it's still a very grey area due to lack of evidence for that, so at best it's a 'likely' assertion.
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artu
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posted April 19, 2014 01:13 PM |
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What lack of evidence? They even mapped out which part is responsible for what. What exactly do you expect as evidence, a photograph of your mind? They can scan your brain waves, show which area is active when, and that's as materialistic as it gets.
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JoonasTo
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posted April 19, 2014 01:21 PM |
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Meroe has a nice romantic view of things it's so pretty in all its naivety.
meroe said:
You just leave a note saying sorry.
You don't leave a note saying sorry btw.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 19, 2014 02:14 PM |
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artu said:
What lack of evidence? They even mapped out which part is responsible for what. What exactly do you expect as evidence, a photograph of your mind? They can scan your brain waves, show which area is active when, and that's as materialistic as it gets.
They have not, you are living in a fairy tale if you believe that consciousness has been proven to be a function of the brain, at best there's a fair chance that it is, but it is not proven as you say. As for the other functions, all that is proven is that areas of the brain are stimulated by certain actions, there is NO evidence to suggest that the brain is responsible for them, but neurobiologists for a lack of a better alternative place their bets on the brain being responsible, but again, not proven.
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JoonasTo
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posted April 19, 2014 02:17 PM |
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