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Jabanoss
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posted June 16, 2014 08:04 PM |
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I disagree. Tiny and Sven has very different strengths. Tiny comes online with his nukes a lot faster. Avalanche-Toss can solo kill heroes so early. However I would say that Sven comes online with right clicks a lot earlier. Sven doesn't need any item to have cleave, he also doesn't need any item to have damage. He does need a bkb though, and a mask of madness obviously helps. But once he has those two items, he can really go ham once his ult is up.
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Stevie
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posted June 16, 2014 08:13 PM |
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Most common builds with Sven usually involve skilling cleave last, because it's ineffective in the early stage of the game, with stun and warcry being way more potent. That means that you'll have to be above level 11 before you get to profit from cleave with Sven. That means 15 minutes of game at the very least. In 15 minutes a farming Tiny could have Ags easy! And that's not a half assed 60% cleave, but 100%, with the most ridiculous cleave and base damage in the game.
But never mind that, game 2 started 
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Jabanoss
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posted June 16, 2014 10:48 PM |
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Edited by Jabanoss at 22:55, 16 Jun 2014.
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That game number 3. Holy snow.
That last fight before Alliance killed the first barracks was so intense, when they went for Envy and failed to focus him down and he managed to get his satanic off was crazy. But they pulled through in the end, amazing. 
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Stevie
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posted June 16, 2014 11:01 PM |
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There were so many fights at which C9 failed because they didn't BKB'd. I know it's hard but not THAT hard, and not that many times! I'd have one finger on BKB always and insta trigger when Tide blinks. If I can do it, I think pro players can do that too. C9's game to lose imo. And they lost it 
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RMZ1989
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posted June 16, 2014 11:02 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 23:08, 16 Jun 2014.
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Stevie said:
Most common builds with Sven usually involve skilling cleave last, because it's ineffective in the early stage of the game, with stun and warcry being way more potent. That means that you'll have to be above level 11 before you get to profit from cleave with Sven. That means 15 minutes of game at the very least. In 15 minutes a farming Tiny could have Ags easy! And that's not a half assed 60% cleave, but 100%, with the most ridiculous cleave and base damage in the game.
But never mind that, game 2 started
What? Tiny's Aghanim gives him a 50% cleave in radius of 400, which is weaker than Sven's, the thing that is better is that it also gives him ~235 range(which is why you feel like Tiny's cleave is a lot bigger) and 75% bonus damage on buildings.
Overall, Sven comes out as really good damage dealer way earlier than Tiny does, but 4+ Slotted Tiny is among better carries in the game with huge movement speed and range which is why it is hard to kite him, and it is hard to fight him head on because of his Craggy Exterior. Unlike him, Sven is good for 25 seconds, even though it is long time for a fight, I feel like that good teams can just kite and control Sven so well, and that is the reason why we don't see Sven that often.
EDIT: I meant that Sven's cleave is stronger in terms of Cleave %, but radius is still bigger(400 for Tiny, 300 for Sven).
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posted June 16, 2014 11:12 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 23:13, 16 Jun 2014.
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Oh God, I think you're right, it's 50%. It's just that when I draft Tiny I get him Magnus too for the +50% cleave and damage. I totally forgot that wasn't built in. LeL
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RMZ1989
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posted June 17, 2014 12:02 AM |
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Jesus, what a game!
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posted June 17, 2014 12:05 AM |
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I'm speechless. When I saw that Illusory Orb into buyback my jaw literally dropped.
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Jabanoss
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posted June 17, 2014 01:15 AM |
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What an amazing series, truly. So glad for Alliance, but I was so surprised by how well C9 played.
Great games all round, mad props to everyone! 
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Stevie
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posted June 17, 2014 01:30 AM |
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Grats to [A] for winning! Really great tournament!
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Stevie
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posted June 19, 2014 07:17 PM |
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[A] vs Fnatic. D2CL. Game 2. Excalibur. Meepo.
Godlike performance. Micro-ing 5 heroes in and out of fight for more than 3 minutes and killing Alliance in their own base, against double ravage and buybacks. Couldn't believe my own eyes.
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Storm-Giant
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posted June 27, 2014 02:12 PM |
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Ten million of dollars, people. Ten friggin million.
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RMZ1989
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posted June 27, 2014 05:12 PM |
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Stevie
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posted June 28, 2014 07:00 PM |
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I have to say, I'm really impressed with the ESL. Really great matches so far. And more to come 
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RMZ1989
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posted June 28, 2014 07:33 PM |
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I was watching finals of the Starcraft 2 in 8 AM, so I fell asleep and didn't see first game of IG vs. Mouz, saw second game, then had to go and just came back. I heard that matches were good already, so I will probably watch VODs.
Good thing I will manage to catch [A] vs. C9 and Na`Vi vs. EG, those should be the best matches of the day!
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posted June 28, 2014 10:33 PM |
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What a game, guys. Admiral Bulldog is one hell of a player.
And poor EE. 
Anyways cannot wait for tomorrows game, starting off with EG vs Navi gonna be amazing.
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Stevie
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posted June 29, 2014 09:12 PM |
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ESL Gran Finals. EG vs IG. 
GO RTZ!!
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Stevie
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posted July 08, 2014 06:15 PM |
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International!!
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RMZ1989
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posted July 08, 2014 06:21 PM |
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Stevie said:
International!!
YEAH! Production value to the max!
All 4 streams have audio problems, Kappa.
IT IS OK GUYZ, IT IS NOT LIKE WE WANTED TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT DOTA ANYWAY!
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posted July 08, 2014 07:18 PM |
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This is embarrassing, Valve. WTF!? 
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