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zombiewhacker
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posted May 16, 2014 03:30 AM |
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Best Creature Specialty?
Opinions as to whether all creature specialties are created "equal"?
I've never paid much attention until now whether my heroes are better with genies or elves or whatever.
Which heroes get the most bang for the creature specialty buck?
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gelbrekt
Tavern Dweller
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posted May 16, 2014 01:35 PM |
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50 VAMPIRE LORDS CAN TAKE OUT 40 CHAMPIONS - VAMPIRE LORDS ARE THEREFORE OP AND WILL FOREVER HAVE THE GREATEST SPECIAL ABILITY.
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Kicferk
Known Hero
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posted May 16, 2014 01:35 PM |
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Absolutely the best speciality is that in skeletons. Firstly, because they are the strongest unit in necro arsenal, and secondly because for some reason their bonuses are significantly higher than other creatures.
Besides that, speciality in troglodytes is cool, +1 to speed and large starting army are never bad.
Other creature specialities may affect the game in minor way, but they are usually much too small to win the game.
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Kicferk
Known Hero
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posted May 16, 2014 01:37 PM |
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gelbrekt said:
50 VAMPIRE LORDS CAN TAKE OUT 40 CHAMPIONS - VAMPIRE LORDS ARE THEREFORE OP AND WILL FOREVER HAVE THE GREATEST SPECIAL ABILITY.
I think he meant hero specializing in units, not special abilities of units themselves. And I would like to see your 50 vamp lords fighting against my 40 champions put in one stack 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted May 16, 2014 03:52 PM |
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Bron is really good thanks to his startking basilisks
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scbw1234
Hired Hero
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posted May 17, 2014 03:11 PM |
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Ivor is very useful as starting heroes because he always come with alots of elves,if upgraded you got yourself a huge grand elf army in first week.
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
walking to the library
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posted May 17, 2014 04:23 PM |
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Specialty in demons could prove to be the best in the end game.
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DivineClio
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 17, 2014 05:35 PM |
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Of course!
But before you get the 4XX demon stack, the game is already over 
I need near 7-8 month of intense demon farm.I know, i m noob with Inferno
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted May 17, 2014 05:37 PM |
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I like the +1 speed to water elementals.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 18, 2014 09:47 PM |
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given that speed is very important, how high would rank rashka? I don't think he has any other advantage standing out, so...
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OhforfSake
Promising
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Initiate
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posted May 18, 2014 10:10 PM |
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Oh I think I used to like him. I'm not sure how much difference +1 speed to Efreeti / Sultans made though.
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master_learn
Legendary Hero
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posted May 18, 2014 10:50 PM |
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Efreet sultan with speed 13 would be:
-on lava speed 14(the speed of ghost dragon)
-with Rashka on lava speed 15(the speed of black dragon)
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted May 18, 2014 11:11 PM |
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Right, good point. I guess that may be one of the reasons I liked him. I don't remember how large the battlefield is, what speed is required to reach an enemy archer pack on the first turn? I think it's around 13-15.
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heroes_player
Known Hero
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posted May 18, 2014 11:31 PM |
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I think that the Gorgon guy would be excellent choice because +1 for gorgons is very acceptable since they are considered slow creatures. However, when I play with Fortress, my favourite 1st hero is Bron due to his first basilisks They don't always appear though
Now that I think... I haven't used any creature specialists as main hero very often... I have always used heroes like Gunnar and Elleshar and anyone like that who has a secondary skill speciality... I guess that the creature specialists would have been good as main hero, too! What a waste for last years...  I should have experienced with them!
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OhforfSake
Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
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posted May 18, 2014 11:38 PM |
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I think it depends. I can imagine the Dragon Fly specialist, who ever that is, would be worthwhile, because it makes Fortress equal in speed to Necro, if Fortress is facing Necro.. but if Fortress is facing Necro it's probably lost anyway.
Anyway, another example would be Stronghold vs. Tower, I believe both are speed 11 as their top speed units, hence both could probably use a hero with those unit specialties when facing one another.
But apart from that, I only think level 1 creature specialists who gets 40 (or is it 30?) units in stead of 30 (or is it 20?) units are worthwhile. E.g. Galthran is the best Necro hero, in my opinion. Much better than Necromancy specialists. Shakti I'd also say is better, or at least on par with, Gunnar, the log specialists of Dungeon. On the other hand, for Fortress, the Gnoll specialists (Drakon?) I don't think is anything particular, likewise with the goblin specialist of Stronghold, etc. Here Tazar and Crag are my favorites.
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DivineClio
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 19, 2014 05:42 PM |
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I prefer use Necklace of Swiftness or Ring of the Wayfarer(and losing some stat)instead using a hero with high lvl unit primary skill.
Or..SIR MULLICH ISS THE WAYYY!
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 19, 2014 07:09 PM |
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...or you could use both! 
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted May 19, 2014 11:46 PM |
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Kicferk said:
gelbrekt said:
50 VAMPIRE LORDS CAN TAKE OUT 40 CHAMPIONS - VAMPIRE LORDS ARE THEREFORE OP AND WILL FOREVER HAVE THE GREATEST SPECIAL ABILITY.
I think he meant hero specializing in units, not special abilities of units themselves. And I would like to see your 50 vamp lords fighting against my 40 champions put in one stack
And I think he meant 40 neutral champions against a 50 VL with the VL's specialist. If it's possible he has a point, what other creature wound sustain that difference? Imagine 50 Hobgoblins against 40 stone golems or 50 master genies against 40 red dragons.
I know I used to put a Pandora box guarded by 1000 pikeman to kill with 10 Vampire Lords using a level 1 Vidonima and she isn't a hero who greatly improves her troops. Yet it was a sure win.
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Kicferk
Known Hero
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posted May 20, 2014 12:50 AM |
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Of course he meant it. The point is that to be able to achieve victory with vamp lords against such number of champions he needs certain things to happen. He needs certain amount of dumbness from his opponent. Vamp lords are kind of OP when fighting neutral stacks, because it is reltively easy to exploit AI with them, but they will not be so useful while facing a human.
Besides, I think any creature with no retaliation and decent speed could beat huge opponents. I could say that pixies are extremely OP, because 50 of them can beat the crap out of 40, or even 400 golems. But the sad reality is that there are much more ways to fight the map than vamp lords(or pixies), like fighting with a full army. 50 vamps means around 35 liches, hopefully 20 dread knights. With such strength it is possible to kill the champions easily without exploiting AI intelligence.
And vampire specialist is not really good, because vampires do not benefit significantly from him - small stat bonuses, +1 to speed. For town having legions of skeletons such pathetic boost is insignificant. Their strength comes out of their special, and it is unaffected by their specialist.
And about that pandora, I assume that you hit and run with vamp lords entire fight, because likely one hit from pikes would kill them all. If so, this fight can be done with pixies, harpy hags, etc. And it is totally unrelated to the topic of heroes specializing in certain types of units
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted May 20, 2014 09:15 AM |
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I forgot his name, but the Castle hero (he has a hat ) which gives +2 speed to all creatures is the best among creature specialities I think. Of course it is arguable if he has a place in this discussion but his skill focuses on creatures anyway.
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