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Aron
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posted May 18, 2014 03:12 AM |
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xerox said:
Tsar-Ivor said:
Essentially real liberty is to have no restrictions imposed on your ability to express, i.e do what you want.
That's the ideal, and the goal I'm working towards. The open relationship with this person is one of the things I want at the moment.
Yes, but you can't possibly imagine that this is ever attainable, right?
Besides I wouldn't want to put any more utopian weight on liberty than it already has...
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Aron
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posted May 18, 2014 03:14 AM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
According to oxford dictionary:
Liberty:
Quote:
The power or scope to act as one pleases:
Erm, so you may wish to change thine stance Aron.
One pleases to compromise.
Acting is by itself constricted and framed within external circumstances. You can't act outside of those and you may want two things which conflict with each other. So one acts as one pleases.
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OhforfSake
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posted May 18, 2014 03:14 AM |
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If Xerox is a sociopath it's only because we made him into one, hence we've copyrights on him. Xerox, whatever you do can and will be seen as an infringement.
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xerox
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posted May 18, 2014 03:15 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 03:16, 18 May 2014.
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Aron, I added that it was liberty within the boundaries of the non-aggression principle. There would be no effective liberty at all without a morale code protecting it.
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Over himself, over his own
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- John Stuart Mill
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Aron
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posted May 18, 2014 03:17 AM |
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Edited by Aron at 03:17, 18 May 2014.
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@Ohrof
LoL on so many different levels! (I can PM if you want xD )
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xerox
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posted May 18, 2014 03:21 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 03:23, 18 May 2014.
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I was sort of a liberal conservative (liberal but opposed immigration and Islam), then I became a social liberal, then I became a libertarian, then I also became anarcho-capitalist (well, a voluntaryst really, I'm not opposed to the idea of a voluntary communist society) and then I added feminism to that. Heroescommunity has had very little ideological influence on me.
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Over himself, over his own
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mind, the individual is
sovereign.
- John Stuart Mill
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Aron
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posted May 18, 2014 03:23 AM |
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Edited by Aron at 03:30, 18 May 2014.
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I think ( and I hope ) he meant society at large.
Which I disagree with but its funny cause of some other reasons which would take this thread way way to OT.
edit: I guess with so many posts here and years he might've meant the forums to. Either way its kinda the same thing though still not.
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artu
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posted May 18, 2014 03:26 AM |
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Xerox said:
I was sort of a liberal conservative (liberal but opposed immigration and Islam), then I became a social liberal, then I became a libertarian, then I also became anarcho-capitalist
So much accomplished in so little time! 
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xerox
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posted May 18, 2014 03:30 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 03:32, 18 May 2014.
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No, this happened over the past five years (since I became politically interested at the age of 14). I got my anarcho capitalist views last August or September, so that's not even been a year, and started getting feminist and social constructivist/more structural views last fall.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
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- John Stuart Mill
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OhforfSake
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posted May 18, 2014 03:31 AM |
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Aron said:
@Ohrof
LoL on so many different levels! (I can PM if you want xD )
Thanks. ^^
Good luck with the PM stuff.
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Aron
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posted May 18, 2014 03:34 AM |
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It's a pretty short time still.
But if one is interested in politics I guess it's not too short. Well what's too short anyway? Doubt there is such a thing. Maybe its a bit unusual.
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OhforfSake
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posted May 18, 2014 03:37 AM |
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I guess a lesson for any future parent:
If you let the internet raise your child, you end up with Xerox & Mvass.
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xerox
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posted May 18, 2014 03:51 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 03:52, 18 May 2014.
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Yes I don't think I would be anywhere as radical, had it not been for the internet
I could see myself becoming an individualist communist in the future.
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Over himself, over his own
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- John Stuart Mill
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Aron
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posted May 18, 2014 03:53 AM |
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What the snow?
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xerox
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posted May 18, 2014 03:58 AM |
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One of the people I admire the most used to be a liberal, then she became a hardcore communist because she believes individualism s best reached through collectivist means. Maybe she's right. Maybe communism is better than anarcho capitalism in a stateless society, I don't know because there hasn't really been a proper one. But given the pretext of a state, I will continue support merciless neoliberal policies as those by far triumph state socialism in all its shapes.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
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- John Stuart Mill
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted May 18, 2014 05:42 AM |
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Anyway this is the reason why if your historical analysis is wrong then your entire argument is wrong.
That is quite incorrect. You may be right in general about the historicity of things, yet, still make incomplete or incorrect analysis of certain details. Just as an example, you can be correct on the opinion that social ideologies, norms and rituals like marriage, religion, burial of the dead are mainly shaped by the historical conditions, that those conditions dramatically change our moral values and social norms BUT you may be wrong or incomplete about a detail such as the norm of marriage developing in agri-cultural societies with property ownership and inheritance of that.
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted May 18, 2014 09:49 AM |
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xerox said:
I will continue support merciless neoliberal policies as those by far triumph state socialism in all its shapes.
Merciless to whom may I ask?Whose freedom and choice should be taken away without mercy?
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xerox
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posted May 18, 2014 12:25 PM |
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I was sarcastic. I get the "You hate poor people" argument every once in a while.
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Over himself, over his own
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- John Stuart Mill
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meroe
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posted May 18, 2014 12:30 PM |
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Xerox monogamy has partly evolved to ensure the survival and development of our offspring. We are not animals, we are unique. And monogamy has developed naturally within us.
Now just because we talk about monogamy, does not mean that we are saying one partner for the remainder of your life. Relationships are never a 'dead cert'. But being faithful to one partner (at a time) i.e. in an exclusive relationship is perfectly humanly natural. Yes its socially acceptable because it has evolved alongside us as the more intelligent thing to do (see above).
Your 'ideal' of free love has been done to death many times before. Your attitude towards relationships is very immature. As many of the guys have already mentioned (thanks Tsar) and Aron. You have a boyfriend now ( ), but your attitude belies your age and naivety. To try and break down the 'family' (which eventually comes from monogamy) is dangerous and quite frankly heinous.
You are under a drive to inflict your ways and will upon those who may not want the same purely because you believe you are right. That is tyranny Xerox. At least Mvass doesn't believe he has a right to inflict his lifestyle upon others. He recognizes it is his choice just like monogamy is someone else's preference.
Being a grown up means you have to accept that others may never agree with you on issues. And that you have no right whatsoever to attempt to change their lifestyle, simply because it offends you or you don't 'get' it.
The worse type of uber liberalism holds nothing sacred. And they gleefully ignore the rights and choices of others as they attempt to go hacking through centuries of tried out human morals and conventions, simply because they believe they are enlightened. They are only high on their own vanity and disdain.
You will find more and more as you grow up that we humans do not self police ourselves that well. We need parameters and laws. I am not saying that there is not a place for your 'free love'/open relationships either. Those relationships have been around just as long as monogamy has, so I really don't understand your logic. If you wanted to fight for something it should be more along the lines of tolerance for each other. Not inflicting your will upon others, because if that is the case ..... and you lose. Well then, you have no reason to complain, just man up and accept it
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Meroe is definetely out, sweet
as she sounds sometimes, she'd
definetely castrate you with a
rusted razror and forcefeed
your genitals to you in a
blink of an eye - Kipshasz
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Baklava
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posted May 18, 2014 03:49 PM |
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