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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted May 27, 2014 09:31 AM
Edited by artu at 09:45, 27 May 2014.

How's that off the mark according to you is beyond me since the topic involves porn being shown to children under a certain age and it's my direct opinion on that subject.

A:I don't think anybody, if not a pedophile,  would give porn to a very small child anyway, what would be the point of it?
B: (Quotes the statement above): i understood the *ahem* "in's and out's" of sexuality at a young age. i might have not liked how some of the genitals looked(or what was done to stimulate them), but i understood it.
A:  You said you was taught through porn, AFTER your dad found out you were sexually active as a child. I'm talking about an early stage. And there is a difference between educational stuff and adult porn.

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fred79
fred79


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posted May 27, 2014 09:38 AM

you were not replying to my post?

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fred79
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posted May 27, 2014 12:06 PM

i wish you were trolling, but apparently you're not.

artu, why is it, that you have a severe problem reading simple words? and, why mainly MY posts? answer that simple question for me. what makes YOU, artu, special from most everyone else on here? could you adequately define your inability to try and communicate with me in a way that doesn't constantly involve me explaining simple things to you, in responses where my posts were self-evident to begin with?

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Stevie
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posted May 27, 2014 01:04 PM

He has this gift to turn everything into a debate.

Just ignore him.

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Minion
Minion


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posted May 27, 2014 01:42 PM

I understand what fred you are saying but I don't understand why you object to what artu is saying about him talking about an earlier time than you. So how old were you actually when your dad showed you porn?
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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted May 27, 2014 02:08 PM
Edited by artu at 14:42, 27 May 2014.

Thank you for stating the obvious, minion. Rest of your post is about sexuality, nudity and children in general, it involves some opinions one may agree with or not but I apparently choose not to debate about. I even mention the difference between the two, hinting meroe already pointed it out:
Quote:

There is discussing sex education with a child, in a manner in which the child can grasp or there is the wildly unrealistic porn on the interwebz.

The part where I reply to is the relevant part in which you directly talk about a kid being shown porn, which was a reply to my question in specific.

So to answer your question, what makes you special is your inability to grasp that in 2 seconds, unlike everyone else I constantly debate with and have no issues at all.

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artu
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posted May 27, 2014 08:56 PM

Tsar-Ivor said:
What makes a 16 year old more apt for sex than a 12 year old? Is it maturity? Some younguns have more maturity than the multitude of 20 year-olds I've met. Doesn't mean that I want to plough them, but there it is.

Personally I don't see why one would want to engange in sex before their prime, I think that everyone regardless of intellect or "maturity" is not sufficient for breeding till they're 'fully grown'. (fully matured physically)


It's common knowledge that around 3-5 years old children develop a gender identity, that is, they start to ask about the differences between boys and girls, how babies come to earth, what does their penis do and start playing with it etc etc... This is, however, completely different than the stage of puberty, when your hormones start to dance the dance that takes two and things like erection, ejaculation become common.

The immaturity of the teenager is a modern social construct, there had been and there actually still are, societies where people get married around that age (when puberty hits) and become parents themselves. Of course, these are all agri-cultural societies where obligatory education does not exist and where people are getting married by traditional, arranged set-ups. Sexual desire for younger children however, is considered a perversion since they do not have a sexuality in the sense that we do and they can not consent to such a thing with a total understanding of what's being done to them.

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fred79
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posted May 27, 2014 09:17 PM
Edited by fred79 at 21:18, 27 May 2014.

artu said:
Thank you for stating the obvious, minion.


lol, stating the obvious. try READING, and you would see why i continually have to RE-STATE WHAT I ALREADY SAID(which was obvious the FIRST time around, btw).

artu, you said, "younger than you".

and I said:

fred79 said:
i remember reading somewhere that unborn children have been witnessed stimulating themselves sexually, in a couple of articles. it doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand when something feels good. kids tend to make the connection when they're being washed by their parents, as creepy as that may sound. i keep hearing stories of my young nephews having fun with their little manhoods. their parents are always talking about it and laughing.


i ADDRESSED "younger than myself" in a WHOLE ****ING PARAGRAPH. i said, "unborn children have been witnessed stimulating themselves". you don't get much younger than that, artu. not unless you are talking about pre-conception.

my words are plain as day, and i am really tired of having to RE-STATE what i ALREADY SAID, just so that i am understood by people who apparently cannot read certain words/sentences/whole paragraphs.

how old EXACTLY do you think kids are when they're being WASHED BY THEIR PARENTS, artu?

this is why i think you are merely trolling me. do you have a better explanation? feel free to clarify, because my mind is full of **** nearly every time i try basic communication with you.

lol, who knows, maybe it's contagious, now that minion seems to be catching it. (jk, minion)

or maybe, it's a translation issue. anyone else from Turkey find my posts hard to understand? maybe google translate is the culprit. i know i DAMN sure want to find out what the communication problem is here...

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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted May 27, 2014 09:50 PM
Edited by artu at 22:01, 27 May 2014.

Fred, once again, I think the rest of your paragraph talking about even unborn kids having some kind of the sexuality is not directly relevant to my question  of "who would make very small children watch porn anyway" because
1- Children having a sexuality and children being made watch porn are very different topics. Kids having a sexuality (unlike some people think) does not automatically mean making them watch porn is a reasonable decision.
2- The kind of sexuality you talk about is irrelevant to the intercourse displayed in porn movies. Pre-puberty sexuality is different than post-puberty sexuality in which you want to mate. And in the uterus, a human doesn't even have a gender identity or self-awareness ("I am someone") yet.

The most relevant subject, your personal experience of being thought by porn is, in a later stage of childhood by your own words.

I don't know how simpler to put, why the rest of your paragraph is not what I'm talking about.

So basically, I still think making a 7 year-old watch porn is a pointless/wrong thing to do.

Edit:
Maybe, this pediatric site will help clear the distinction what I mean by earlier stage, quoting:

By preschool, most kids have developed a strong sense of being a boy or girl, and continue to explore their bodies even more purposefully. It's not a good idea to scold them when they touch themselves — this will only prompt a sense of guilt and shame.

Parents may, however, want to explain that even though it feels good, touching should be done in private — preschoolers are old enough to understand that some things are not meant to be public. They're also old enough to understand that no one — not even family members or other people they trust — should ever touch them in a way that feels uncomfortable.

Your preschooler will continue to learn important sexual attitudes from you — from how you react to people of the opposite sex to how you feel about nudity.

Endless questions. As kids become curious about everything, it's common for preschoolers to pose questions to their parents like "Where do babies come from?" or "Why doesn't my sister have a penis?"

When you get questions like these, try to answer as honestly and matter-of-factly as possible. Answers like "The stork brought you" not only dismiss a child's curiosity, but also make parents look less credible when kids find out the truth. Being truthful now also encourages your kids to come to you with their questions in the future.

Find out exactly what your child wants to know and then answer the specific question — there's no need to go into elaborate detail when it might not be necessary. For example, you might say that a man and woman can make a baby and that the baby grows inside the woman's belly. If this satisfies your child, you might not need to provide additional information about how the baby is actually made until later.


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xerox
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posted May 27, 2014 10:59 PM

I know feminists who do not even tell their children about their gender, and then they only found out in pre-school.
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fred79
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posted May 27, 2014 11:38 PM

artu, i wasn't addressing that question(that should've been obvious, for a great number of reasons. the least of all, logic).

i was addressing the fact that sexuality happens in a lot younger ages than people seem to think(according to what i've read in this thread).

i think the miscommunication between you and what i post stems from the fact that, whenever i make a post replying to yours, you think i am addressing strictly what you said last; when in fact, i'm taking everything i've read by everyone else on the topic at hand into account as well(and many times, giving examples to better punctuate my pov, which may further muddy the waters). my posts are nearly never streamlined, they are constantly addressing things in bulk, and from different angles, because that is how i think.

this is probably why you keep misunderstanding me.

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artu
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posted May 27, 2014 11:54 PM

In that case, it is your quoting that is problematic. I wrote a lot of stuff, you select this sentence (which is a question, btw)
Quote:
I don't think anybody, if not a pedophile,  would give porn to a very small child anyway, what would be the point of it?

and write whatever you write, under it. It is the natural thing to assume your opinions are positioned as an answer to that question. Especially when they start with a sentence, that appears as a direct reply:
Quote:
i understood the *ahem* "in's and out's" of sexuality at a young age.

And again, especially if you have already mentioned you were introduced to porn by your father.

If you are going to summarize your overall look on the subject, do it without quoting a specific question, so people will read it in the manner you intend it.

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fred79
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posted May 28, 2014 12:09 AM

artu said:
I don't think anybody, if not a pedophile,  would give porn to a very small child anyway, what would be the point of it?


i see where the miscommunication came from, when i replied to this statement.

what i should have said was, "what's wrong with a dad teaching his son about sex through porn?" "it's not like i was taking ACTING lessons..."


to clarify for you, artu, my response was based not on what you said, but your criticism of my dad teaching me about sex via porn(and comparing him to a pedophile too, btw, which is pretty ****ing rude). you seemed to be sticking up for the more strict/deluded way of thinking about youth+sexuality. hence my response.

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meroe
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posted May 28, 2014 12:17 AM

Just to add fuel to the fire here  What type of porn are you talking about here Freddy Boy??  Porn isn't really the best introduction to sex.  Its highly exaggerated and it distorts the sexual act.  Porn sex is for watching.  Quite different to what most people get up to in private.  


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artu
artu


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posted May 28, 2014 12:19 AM

I already told you your case was irrelevant to what I was talking about because I was referring to an earlier stage and you said he did that AFTER you were already sexually active.

And had the question been ""what's wrong with a dad teaching his son about sex through porn?" in general, I would say it depends on what you mean by porn, if it's some pictures from Penthouse and the kid is 12-13, I'd say it's fine but if it's a porn movie, they are usually not the best pick for educational purposes (because of reasons both meroe and I mentioned earlier).

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fred79
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posted May 28, 2014 01:05 AM
Edited by fred79 at 01:06, 28 May 2014.

all of my , meroe. "son, i am disappoint", and all that.

the video i was shown was to teach both the anatomy of the vagina, and how to stimulate it both with the mouth and the penis. although, admittedly, i learned how to better stimulate the vagina through cunnilingus, by watching "sapphic erotica"(lesbian porn). what better way to learn cunnilingus, than by a lesbian?


and artu, my case WAS relevant, and still is. he tried instructing me, because he found out i was exploring sex. i really don't see how you can say that is irrelevant, let alone, my "case" regarding your apparent views of how or when one should teach a child about sex.

it's simple: if a child is sexually active, it is a good idea to teach them about sex.


of course, my dad could have taught me about std's, pregnancy, and all that, but i hadn't even hit puberty yet; he figured i wouldn't get std's from(or impregnate) the girls i was after as a kid. makes sense to me, at least.

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artu
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posted May 28, 2014 01:18 AM
Edited by artu at 01:48, 28 May 2014.

How old were you?

Quote:
it's simple: if a child is sexually active, it is a good idea to teach them about sex.


is an oversimplification. There are age-based ways to teach a kid about sex, just like any other thing. You don't teach an 11 year-old literature by making him read Marquis de Sade or Nabokov, do you? Jules Verne or Jack London fits better.

You say you hadn't hit puberty yet, you weren't going to be having any intercourse for a long time, so adult porn is not the best pick to teach you about sexuality.

But even that is beside my point, it is irrelevant because, for the third time, I was referring to a much earlier stage than "right before puberty" in my post, that you quoted and replied to. That's why it was the first thing I explained. The original post was:
Quote:
When it comes to little children, I was told by my ex-girlfriend who was a psychiatrist, that before a certain age, when children yet don't have sexual urges, they perceive the whole thing differently, like people trying to hurt each other and so on, so it's not right. I haven't researched it myself. I don't think anybody, if not a pedophile,  would give porn to a very small child anyway, what would be the point of it?




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meroe
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posted May 28, 2014 01:21 AM

fred79 said:
although, admittedly, i learned how to better stimulate the vagina through cunnilingus, by watching "sapphic erotica"(lesbian porn). what better way to learn cunnilingus, than by a lesbian?


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posted May 28, 2014 02:26 AM
Edited by fred79 at 02:27, 28 May 2014.

artu said:
How old were you?


8.


as for the rest, all i have to say to that blah blah blah is:











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meroe
meroe


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posted May 28, 2014 02:36 AM

I don't believe you were sexually active at 8 Freudism.  Masturbation does not equal sexually active

Did Daddy catch you playing with your winky in the garden again??
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