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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 21, 2014 12:24 AM |
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The link contains the text itself already. And the interpretation is pointing out the obvious, you are the only person I've met who's not getting it. As I already said, the link is not my only source but, sorry, I won't be able to send you the book by cargo.
Besides your first (trolling) objection was
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I doubted the specific phrase "youngsters these days"
so don't be argument-shifting now.
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Stevie
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posted June 21, 2014 12:46 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 00:47, 21 Jun 2014.
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I asked you to quote the part of the text where the elderly complain about the young. So far you failed to do that.
And my objection about your quote is not because of it's lack of accuracy, but because when you talk about a text, you quote that text, not an interpretation of it.
I'm still waiting for you to show how "youngsters these days" follows from the text you linked.
Edit: And I think it's about time you stop insulting me. I've turned a blind eye until now, but that stops here.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 21, 2014 12:58 AM |
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Stevie, the whole incident itself is about both the family and the teachers having trouble with the behavior of the kid and trying to correct his ways, it's not a line in the text, it's the content of the whole thing itself. And if you are not trolling and geniunely this persistent in not grasping that, you are insulting yourself. All this pretense of victimizing yourself does not change the fact that I quoted out how you argument shift, people who argument shift are either people who will never admit they are wrong or they just dont really mean what they are talking about and ramble on with some randomly picked objection to provoke, which is like the dictionary definition of trolling.
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
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posted June 21, 2014 01:07 AM |
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Can't you you two be silent and realise there is a far more important issue to solve here? For more than 2 hours I have pondered a question i've pondered probably since I started to play Heroes 3. If the Lv 2 dwell is not pre-built that means Stronghold can't buy all dwellings + Castle. So what option is best here: Build Castle but missing out on 5x Cyclopses or building Cyclops cave but missing out on 1 Behemoth, 1 roc, 2 ogres, 3 orcs, 4 wolf riders and 7 goblins. 
Since it seems I am not a "man" enough to solve this blasted question I thought it would belong in this thread. 
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Stevie
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posted June 21, 2014 01:11 AM |
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artu said:
Stevie, the whole incident itself is about both the family and the teachers having trouble with the behavior of the kid and trying to correct his ways, it's not a line in the text, it's the content of the whole thing itself.
There is nothing in the text that suggest that the parents or the tutors were thinking in terms of "youngsters these days" in that given situation. That's entirely your interpretation based on nothing from the text.
Still waiting...
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fred79
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posted June 21, 2014 01:16 AM |
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i fail to see how any of this relates even remotely to feminism.
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Stevie
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posted June 21, 2014 01:31 AM |
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Well, yea... artu went off topic and I followed. It's not like I expected to have a fruitful conversation. Just wanted to let people know that what he said was far from being true. And I think people are smart enough to get that. Ohforfy did...
Meh, got better things to do than argue with him. Like going to sleep.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 21, 2014 01:47 AM |
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Edited by artu at 01:49, 21 Jun 2014.
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The topic had already switched to "troubled youth" when I posted that and you are very well aware of that. The phrase "youngsters these days" when used in a complaining tone, indicates that there is something exceptionally wrong with today's youth, while the reality is, every generation complains about the next being lazy and bad mannered. The incident on the tablets put a sarcastic focus on that because of their antiquity.
It's quite easy to grasp actually. But since your agenda is to provoke from the start and trying to explain even the simplest things is like explaining it to a brick-wall, it's quite useless to AGAIN tell you, there is no single line in the text that goes "the young people today are so bad." While you completely dodge the objection that your first argument was expecting the phrase itself (which is plain CoC), you are also ignoring the fact that the original comment was not an anthropological thesis but a tongue in cheek comment to remind the guys that their complaints about youth are as old as youth itself.
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fred79
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posted June 21, 2014 03:04 AM |
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fred79
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posted July 18, 2014 12:35 AM |
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hey, let's bring all the feminism talk in here(at least from antipaladin's thread), if you guys don't mind.
something else just occurred to me, regarding the whole, "just because you are a man, you oppress me" garbage that is pushed on people by feminists and their supporters:
my mother's dog was abused by his previous owner. this dog is terrified of me, and all males, because of the ****head who abused him when he was a pup. i have done everything in my power to show the dog that i mean it no harm, and in fact, love him. he'll only let me pet him when children are around. then, he has no problem with me. but as soon as it's just me and him, he goes back into traumatized mode, and is scared to death of me. i have NEVER hurt him.
am i to be blamed for how he feels about me? do i OWE this dog something, this dog whom i LOVE, because he has been traumatized by another who looks just like me?
(now, before anyone gets upset: i'm not comparing women to dogs, i'm comparing the whole "just because you are ____________, you are bad" argument.)
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xerox
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posted July 18, 2014 01:17 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 01:21, 18 Jul 2014.
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It's not about "You're a man, therefore you're bad". It's about realizing, that as a man practicing heteronormativity (i.e. doing things that are a typical of the heterosexual man), you gain privilege and this privilege protects you from oppression. This doesn't just apply to heterosexuals. Even I, as a gay man, has tons of privilege because despite being homosexual (which going by the word, would suggest I deviate quite a bit from heteronormativity), my practice is mostly in unison with heteronormativity. This creates a situation where I can honestly say that I have never felt any oppression based on my sexuality, while some of my other LGBTQ friends may have faced immense oppresion, because they deviate much farther from heteronormativity than I do.
Disclaimer:
There's been talk about different "sects" of feminism and the one I'm closest to is queer feminism which is why I talk so much about heteronromativity all the time. The heteronormativity of the man is pretty much the same thing as the patriarchy. Of course, also women practice, profit and suffer heteronormativity.
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Over himself, over his own
body and
mind, the individual is
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- John Stuart Mill
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fred79
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posted July 18, 2014 02:13 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:15, 18 Jul 2014.
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xerox said:
heteronormativity (i.e. doing things that are a typical of the heterosexual man)
something being typical does not cover everything. there is nothing typical about me at all. and i am NOT the only exception to the rule. realize this, and realize that just because i have a penis, that in no way means that i oppress women.
fighting sexism with MORE sexism isn't going to convince me that feminism is something that i should take seriously, at all.
btw, feminists: the question i posed is still unanswered. i am absolutely willing to continue this vein of discussion, to try and expose how ridiculous the idea of "you're a man, therefore you oppress" is.
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted July 18, 2014 02:21 PM |
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We don't need two active threads on this topic. Please pick one of them.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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fred79
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posted July 18, 2014 02:26 PM |
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we actually have 2 others that were active in discussions on feminism. this is a thread discussing feminism as a whole. what would you have me do? one of the other threads was initially about feminists lying/exaggerating the plight of women. the other was regarding how a woman publicly molested a boy, while people cheered.
this thread is about feminism. i already asked if a mod could move all feminism discussion here.
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orzie
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posted July 18, 2014 02:29 PM |
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Edited by orzie at 14:29, 18 Jul 2014.
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Time to give HotA a desired subforum, along with the WoG and the Feminism one. 
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