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posted July 13, 2020 10:32 PM
Edited by blob2 at 22:37, 13 Jul 2020.

angelito said:
What most of you so called "rights" miss, is the sense/ability of "changing point of view". You have absolutely NOTHING contributed to the fact you were born into a modern western (let's say partial...) country...just imagine you wouldn't have been so lucky and would have been born in Mali (a very poor state in Africa...just in case you've never heard of it...). Wouldn't you do EVERYTHING possible to change your life into a better one? Who is to blame for your attempts in doing so?


I assume you disregard all those people who've built America up until now? Irishman and woman who escaped the great femine of 19th century. Europeans like Jews who escaped the brutality of war. Armenians who escaped the Turkish genocide. Chinsese who worked in laundries or built railways under god-afwul conditions. These people had literally nothing (poor or not in their previous country didn't matter, they all started from zero), yet instead of bickering they rolled up their sleeves and worked hard. I assume they didn't deal with hardships and racism? The possibilities are greater now, but many people still need to work hard to make a decent living in USA after immigrating there, whatever their race or origin.

Sure it's easy for Western people now, but it wasn't that easy in the old days. Living in Poland I still remember how little we had when compared to America in the 90s. Most of us couldn't even dream about what even the "lower-class" in America had at that time.

Oh how easy is to "want" when you have the opportunity to do so...

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posted July 13, 2020 10:51 PM

fred79 said:
Didn't read what ya'll posted at all. I'm hesitant to even dignify any further attempts at arguing. My points are rock-solid; anyone arguing with them are denying reality in favor of their feelings. Good day, boys.

What makes it really funny is the childlike transparency of his confidence. It’s like somebody going up to a girl and talking like:
- You are very lucky that I’ll be asking you out because I’m so good-looking and you’re just okay.


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posted July 14, 2020 02:07 AM

Reality and sanity are non-negotiable. You can make inane attempts to ridicule and attack what you fail to comprehend on even a basic level, and i'm just going to laugh all the way to the voting booths.

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posted July 14, 2020 04:24 AM

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/washington-redskins-retire-pressure-200713163133993.html

Washington Redskin's is retiring its name. It's very good that an entire ethnic group of people are not going to continue being used as a caricature for sport's entertainment.

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posted July 14, 2020 04:39 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 04:50, 14 Jul 2020.

Yeah our date rate here is probably going to soar past UK/Spain/Italy before the end of the summer. Sad, but also not very surprising.

While Trump is obviously a crooked and corrupt man and he shouldn't be in office anymore, I think it's worth restating that it can't (and shouldn't) all be thrown onto him. There are endemic reasons why the USA is an easy target for COVID. It has a weak safety net. It has lots of obesity and diabetes and other conditions that make people vulnerable. It has a culture of 'whatever' where people generally aren't as obedient to health guidelines as other places (South Korea is a different world). People are having COVID parties, etc.

The reason I think that is worth saying is because people might get swept up in the false idea that if we simply had a different president that everything would be okay, but it wouldn't be. That's not a realistic expectation.

edit: death rate, not date rate. lol
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posted July 14, 2020 05:08 AM

Blizzardboy said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/washington-redskins-retire-pressure-200713163133993.html

Washington Redskin's is retiring its name. It's very good that an entire ethnic group of people are not going to continue being used as a caricature for sport's entertainment.



I really have to wonder why that wasn't done a long time ago.

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posted July 14, 2020 05:13 AM

The owner was against it.
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posted July 14, 2020 06:53 AM

Wow.

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posted July 14, 2020 08:54 AM

I think in America it's easier to change a logo then anywhere else. Sport is totally commercialized there and I know of at least half a dozen teams (for instance in NHL) which changed their logos/names in past few years. It's a matter of who holds the cash so why wouldn't they? There is ofc tradition but who gives a damn about it, it's not the progressive way of thinking. In Europe usually when a club has a change of name or logo in football there is an uproar because of tradition. I wonder how it'll influence the merchandise business. Most logos were made in times when selling swag wasn't that big of a business. We are talking about a logo that has persisted for almost 90 years.  But I doubt anyone will complain when racism is in the picture.

On the topic of logos I remember some actions being taken in Poland where Legia Warszawa logo was changed back a few years ago to the 1960s version because the new one was a source of conflict. Eventually the management complied.

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posted July 14, 2020 11:41 AM
Edited by Galaad at 11:42, 14 Jul 2020.

Blizzardboy said:
Yeah our date rate here is probably going to soar past UK/Spain/Italy before the end of the summer.


Ahem.
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posted July 14, 2020 12:55 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 23:24, 14 Jul 2020.

Yeah we're going to pass France as well before much longer. All that hazelnut spread is buoying your immune systems.

Californians are really mad about closures happening again. I can see more people ignoring the state orders going forward. I say this while sitting on a bed in a hotel room but that is beside the point.
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posted July 14, 2020 06:54 PM

Some stuff about the media freedom nowadays.

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posted July 14, 2020 10:05 PM

Zenofex said:
Some stuff about the media freedom nowadays.


Yep. More and more people will eventually start to object. They just don't know it yet.

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posted July 14, 2020 10:55 PM

I'm posting the content of that resignation letter here, for posterity.

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Bari Weiss

Dear A.G.,

It is with sadness that I write to tell you that I am resigning from The New York Times.

I joined the paper with gratitude and optimism three years ago. I was hired with the goal of bringing in voices that would not otherwise appear in your pages: first-time writers, centrists, conservatives and others who would not naturally think of The Times as their home. The reason for this effort was clear: The paper’s failure to anticipate the outcome of the 2016 election meant that it didn’t have a firm grasp of the country it covers. Dean Baquet and others have admitted as much on various occasions. The priority in Opinion was to help redress that critical shortcoming.

I was honored to be part of that effort, led by James Bennet. I am proud of my work as a writer and as an editor. Among those I helped bring to our pages: the Venezuelan dissident Wuilly Arteaga; the Iranian chess champion Dorsa Derakhshani; and the Hong Kong Christian democrat Derek Lam. Also: Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Masih Alinejad, Zaina Arafat, Elna Baker, Rachael Denhollander, Matti Friedman, Nick Gillespie, Heather Heying, Randall Kennedy, Julius Krein, Monica Lewinsky, Glenn Loury, Jesse Singal, Ali Soufan, Chloe Valdary, Thomas Chatterton Williams, Wesley Yang, and many others.

But the lessons that ought to have followed the election—lessons about the importance of understanding other Americans, the necessity of resisting tribalism, and the centrality of the free exchange of ideas to a democratic society—have not been learned. Instead, a new consensus has emerged in the press, but perhaps especially at this paper: that truth isn’t a process of collective discovery, but an orthodoxy already known to an enlightened few whose job is to inform everyone else.

Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space. Stories are chosen and told in a way to satisfy the narrowest of audiences, rather than to allow a curious public to read about the world and then draw their own conclusions. I was always taught that journalists were charged with writing the first rough draft of history. Now, history itself is one more ephemeral thing molded to fit the needs of a predetermined narrative.

My own forays into Wrongthink have made me the subject of constant bullying by colleagues who disagree with my views. They have called me a Nazi and a racist; I have learned to brush off comments about how I’m “writing about the Jews again.” Several colleagues perceived to be friendly with me were badgered by coworkers. My work and my character are openly demeaned on company-wide Slack channels where masthead editors regularly weigh in. There, some coworkers insist I need to be rooted out if this company is to be a truly “inclusive” one, while others post ax emojis next to my name. Still other New York Times employees publicly smear me as a liar and a bigot on Twitter with no fear that harassing me will be met with appropriate action. They never are.

There are terms for all of this: unlawful discrimination, hostile work environment, and constructive discharge. I’m no legal expert. But I know that this is wrong.

I do not understand how you have allowed this kind of behavior to go on inside your company in full view of the paper’s entire staff and the public. And I certainly can’t square how you and other Times leaders have stood by while simultaneously praising me in private for my courage. Showing up for work as a centrist at an American newspaper should not require bravery.

Part of me wishes I could say that my experience was unique. But the truth is that intellectual curiosity—let alone risk-taking—is now a liability at The Times. Why edit something challenging to our readers, or write something bold only to go through the numbing process of making it ideologically kosher, when we can assure ourselves of job security (and clicks) by publishing our 4000th op-ed arguing that Donald Trump is a unique danger to the country and the world? And so self-censorship has become the norm.

What rules that remain at The Times are applied with extreme selectivity. If a person’s ideology is in keeping with the new orthodoxy, they and their work remain unscrutinized. Everyone else lives in fear of the digital thunderdome. Online venom is excused so long as it is directed at the proper targets.

Op-eds that would have easily been published just two years ago would now get an editor or a writer in serious trouble, if not fired. If a piece is perceived as likely to inspire backlash internally or on social media, the editor or writer avoids pitching it. If she feels strongly enough to suggest it, she is quickly steered to safer ground. And if, every now and then, she succeeds in getting a piece published that does not explicitly promote progressive causes, it happens only after every line is carefully massaged, negotiated and caveated.

It took the paper two days and two jobs to say that the Tom Cotton op-ed “fell short of our standards.” We attached an editor’s note on a travel story about Jaffa shortly after it was published because it “failed to touch on important aspects of Jaffa’s makeup and its history.” But there is still none appended to Cheryl Strayed’s fawning interview with the writer Alice Walker, a proud anti-Semite who believes in lizard Illuminati.

The paper of record is, more and more, the record of those living in a distant galaxy, one whose concerns are profoundly removed from the lives of most people. This is a galaxy in which, to choose just a few recent examples, the Soviet space program is lauded for its “diversity”; the doxxing of teenagers in the name of justice is condoned; and the worst caste systems in human history includes the United States alongside Nazi Germany.

Even now, I am confident that most people at The Times do not hold these views. Yet they are cowed by those who do. Why? Perhaps because they believe the ultimate goal is righteous. Perhaps because they believe that they will be granted protection if they nod along as the coin of our realm—language—is degraded in service to an ever-shifting laundry list of right causes. Perhaps because there are millions of unemployed people in this country and they feel lucky to have a job in a contracting industry.

Or perhaps it is because they know that, nowadays, standing up for principle at the paper does not win plaudits. It puts a target on your back. Too wise to post on Slack, they write to me privately about the “new McCarthyism” that has taken root at the paper of record.

All this bodes ill, especially for independent-minded young writers and editors paying close attention to what they’ll have to do to advance in their careers. Rule One: Speak your mind at your own peril. Rule Two: Never risk commissioning a story that goes against the narrative. Rule Three: Never believe an editor or publisher who urges you to go against the grain. Eventually, the publisher will cave to the mob, the editor will get fired or reassigned, and you’ll be hung out to dry.

For these young writers and editors, there is one consolation. As places like The Times and other once-great journalistic institutions betray their standards and lose sight of their principles, Americans still hunger for news that is accurate, opinions that are vital, and debate that is sincere. I hear from these people every day. “An independent press is not a liberal ideal or a progressive ideal or a democratic ideal. It’s an American ideal,” you said a few years ago. I couldn’t agree more. America is a great country that deserves a great newspaper.

None of this means that some of the most talented journalists in the world don’t still labor for this newspaper. They do, which is what makes the illiberal environment especially heartbreaking. I will be, as ever, a dedicated reader of their work. But I can no longer do the work that you brought me here to do—the work that Adolph Ochs described in that famous 1896 statement: “to make of the columns of The New York Times a forum for the consideration of all questions of public importance, and to that end to invite intelligent discussion from all shades of opinion.”

Ochs’s idea is one of the best I’ve encountered. And I’ve always comforted myself with the notion that the best ideas win out. But ideas cannot win on their own. They need a voice. They need a hearing. Above all, they must be backed by people willing to live by them.

Sincerely,

Bari


Resignation from leftist-controlled media. It doesn't get any more clear cut than this. I'd like to see others follow suit in the other papers, in Time magazine, etc. I'd like to see a flood of people finally putting their foot down, behind these enemy lines.

But i'm bound to be disappointed.

Now, let's watch the leftists respond to this. Guaranteed, they have not accepted these words, straight from the horse's mouth. Not one little bit. They'll argue the color of the sky, if it's part of the agenda.

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posted July 14, 2020 10:59 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 23:10, 14 Jul 2020.

There is a wide berth of smaller media readily available on the internet that is less charged but still has quality writing.

While the NYT gives some interesting insights it needs to be understood that it quite clearly is batting for a certain team and a certain set of causes. Like any other commercial entity it also consciously or unconsciously taps into its audience by appealing to people's various weaknesses: a strong contempt for the current POTUS, intellectual vanity (i.e. I read the New York Times, I am a smart person), and an affinity with the brand since it is such an old and well-established newspaper.

That newspaper was actually doing kind of poorly until the president started deriding it so much on Twitter, and then their viewership ironically started picking back up. Lol. Nothing better than tons of free advertising.
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posted July 14, 2020 11:17 PM

the rightists need to get out more and get laid, they support idiot bioterrorism and cannot find Wally because they think he is Waldo lol
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posted July 15, 2020 09:28 AM

The problem with media "freedom" in the US is obvious enough to cause people, some of which are quite the opposite of pro-Trump, to sign this. It's nothing isolated either, journalism worldwide is well beyond the years when it was more of an instrument to inform the society and spark public debate than a tool to shape and manipulate it. We have the same thing here, in Europe's backyard, with the difference that the local mainstream media are owned by pro-government "businessmen" (it's somewhat more accurate to say that the media AND the government are owned by these "businessmen" though) and to say it is quite selective about what it shows, investigates and puts as headlines would be... weak. But if we are at the edge of the civilized world and countries like Russia, Belarus, China, etc. don't care all that much about providing equal grounds to all points of view, the US is the "beacon of freedom", no? There's a fast-growing problem - especially after the corona-virus - that many people (in the West) still appear to think that they are served quality information in their best interest.

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posted July 15, 2020 10:05 AM

Yeah, no snow.

Here i was thinking that people worldwide were watching leftist american media; when the problem is western-worldwide. Really points to the whole globalism agenda. Wonder who is behind it all? Any ideas, zeno?

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posted July 15, 2020 10:54 AM

It's not a "world government" topic for me. Journalism - its mainstream version at least - has been going against its alleged principles for years and it's close to hitting the bottom. There's a huge problem when something as influential as the mass-media implies and sometimes outright tells you how to think, what and who's right and wrong, etc., instead of encouraging you to use your own brain and come up with your own conclusions.

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posted July 15, 2020 12:17 PM

Why do you think it is that mass media seems to prefer some government officials over others, and nearly always are pro-government agencies?

What do you think about their promotion of war, towards the public?

You don't think the're directly tied to government or corporate entities?

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