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markkur
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posted April 02, 2016 02:53 PM

Gryphs said:
artu said:
I don't understand your point. Abortion is a decision, how can you track a decision using DNA?
I believe he was using it in a genetic predisposition context such as alcoholism.


Bingo.

Governments need bodies to tax. Look at the mess the West has made of itself just trying to reverse the loss of life that has been caused by saying its aok to kill babies and aok to ride rumps...


Back on topic

In today's American Politics issues are only used for "platforms not beliefs". Look at Mr. Clinton jr. she might not have changed her stance on abortion but she has towards same-sex marriage. If most Americans became passionate and said; "No! to eating meat" we'd have nothing but supposed vegetarians running for office while they chomped steaks in secret.

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Salamandre
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posted April 02, 2016 03:16 PM

markkur said:

Look at the mess the West has made of itself just trying to reverse the loss of life that has been caused by saying its aok to kill babies and aok to ride rumps...


Is not about morals or freedom. It is NEVER about morals or freedom, no matter how much they keep saying it is for good. People from African immigration help and force lowering salaries. Therefore "aborted European baby" is not "equal" to immigrated African -or kid from African immigrated families; in the leftists (and right also btw, when about money the two make one) equation more immigration and less european babies = better economy and more money.

And for proof, in 2015 the french government (use translate) modified the law regulating the social aid for families with kids: for families with decent income now the aid is halved, for families with low income it is multiplied. Now one would say this is fair, but behind the stage there is an obvious fact: people from immigration will bred like mads while natives will bred less.

This will create also pernicious effects, as high income families usually put in their kids educations more money, pay for quality universities, which warrants a quality legacy. And this will begone, it starts now.

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artu
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posted April 02, 2016 07:24 PM
Edited by artu at 19:24, 02 Apr 2016.

markkur said:
Gryphs said:
artu said:
I don't understand your point. Abortion is a decision, how can you track a decision using DNA?
I believe he was using it in a genetic predisposition context such as alcoholism.


Bingo.

Governments need bodies to tax. Look at the mess the West has made of itself just trying to reverse the loss of life that has been caused by saying its aok to kill babies and aok to ride rumps...


Well, then it is a senseless analogy indeed. And I wouldn't assume aborted pregnancies is such a significant factor on demographics. Extreme majority of adults in the West who do not want to have kids, won't let things come to abortion, anyway. They are educated and they will have protected sex. If you think an aging population is a bad thing, the attempt of a solution would not be to ban abortion but to encourage larger families with certain policies. Most people who abort, only abort fetuses when they really have to. It's an exceptional incident in a person's life, not some daily reproduction norm. Not to mention, all of this has absolutely nothing to do with qualifying abortion as murder or not.

@Sal

No matter what "the left" or "the right" does, this goes deeper and it's cultural. Now, even if EVERY native couple had two kids, the population of Europe would only stay stable. However, there are people who die young, people who live alone or who don't want to commit to parenthood, people who are sick or handicapped... And then, the ones who actually want kids usually have one or two. Because in Europe, individualism is the norm and large families are not customary, at least in most parts of it. People don't want to spend their life only taking care of children. They have other goals, ambitions, plans. Some decide they will never ever have kids when they are quite young and in a non-traditional society, it's very hard to change such personal decisions by political propaganda.

So, the result is an aging population with many senior citizens and their retirement checks. In a capitalist system depending on constant economic growth and competition, this turns out problematic. However, I don't think any political program would suddenly change such a cultural norm that evolved over decades. It would be like trying to move the tectonic plates with a lifting jack. So, some sort of immigration policy looks inevitable for the "old continent." I very much agree, letting in hundreds of thousands of almost impossible to assimilate Muslims every year is not the proper way to do it. Put aside exceptional situations like Syrians escaping war, the population flow should be controlled and extended over a period of time.
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Salamandre
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posted April 02, 2016 08:19 PM

I don't agree that is cultural. Culture and behaviors are decided by your social rank, at least in Europe. All my friends which are more than comfortable financially have 3-4 kids, then those less comfortable have 1-2. It is very rare that a family choose career path and decide to not have kids, this is rather in American culture, where people are obsessed and stressed by their career challenges.

And even that what you've said was true, the fact that our leaders decide now, in 2015, to penalize such families is only uncovering the other side of the immigration. There is a new concept running underground, "the great replacement".  

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Blizzardboy
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posted April 02, 2016 09:27 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 21:29, 02 Apr 2016.

Salamandre said:
markkur said:

Look at the mess the West has made of itself just trying to reverse the loss of life that has been caused by saying its aok to kill babies and aok to ride rumps...


Is not about morals or freedom. It is NEVER about morals or freedom, no matter how much they keep saying it is for good. People from African immigration help and force lowering salaries. Therefore "aborted European baby" is not "equal" to immigrated African -or kid from African immigrated families; in the leftists (and right also btw, when about money the two make one) equation more immigration and less european babies = better economy and more money.

And for proof, in 2015 the french government (use translate) modified the law regulating the social aid for families with kids: for families with decent income now the aid is halved, for families with low income it is multiplied. Now one would say this is fair, but behind the stage there is an obvious fact: people from immigration will bred like mads while natives will bred less.

This will create also pernicious effects, as high income families usually put in their kids educations more money, pay for quality universities, which warrants a quality legacy. And this will begone, it starts now.


Procreation seems to be perhaps the one thing that people are more stubborn towards than their wallets. Even with very lucrative aid, programs to encourage births have been unsuccessful in Europe.

It is perhaps in small part due to unintentional brainwashing. If you only ever hear of the burdens of parenthood (which are propagated by writers and media who themselves have no children) you're going to believe it. There is now an unspoken pandemic of depression among elderly who have little to no social ties, but financial aid appears to be - for once - an inadequate motivator to make a couple dish out a kid. It works for everything else.
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phe
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posted April 02, 2016 11:49 PM
Edited by phe at 00:09, 03 Apr 2016.

Blizzardboy said:

Procreation seems to be perhaps the one thing that people are more stubborn towards than their wallets. Even with very lucrative aid, programs to encourage births have been unsuccessful in Europe.


politicians try to make people political slaves and keep a lot of people as slaves working by delivering of social help...
What is indeed necessary:
-cancellation of debts(foreign and domestic)
-lowering of taxes and cuts in budgets spending (social-help out, schools out, healthcare out, big military spendings reduction and a lot more....)
-lowering of living costs (cheap energy, antigravity, cheap housing, free plot trade without bureaucracy and without fees for spatial planning department, e-learning without spendings from state's budget)

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EnergyZ
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posted April 03, 2016 12:24 AM

phe said:

politicians try to make people political slaves and keep a lot of people as slaves working by delivering of social help...
What is indeed necessary:
-cancellation of debts(foreign and domestic)
-lowering of taxes and cuts in budgets spending (social-help out, schools out, healthcare out, big military spendings reduction and a lot more....)
-lowering of living costs (cheap energy, antigravity, cheap housing, free plot trade without bureaucracy and without fees for spatial planning department, e-learning without spendings from state's budget)



That sounds in an ideal world for a normal man, who is not very rich.

However, those methods above could put the whole concept of economy at risk, I think. I mean, what would Germany look like if the debt from World War I (thus, likely even stopping Hitler's "rage", which resulted in the next war) was simply forgiven? Or even other countries, who gave a lot of time and resources in the war, all to be thrown away?

I'd prefer a system that bases a man's work, not how "important" their job is. After all, I sometimes hear that out here, certain politicians receive a big fat paycheck, yet rarely attend the government meetings. Could be the same in other states, I don't know.

I believe the best one could do is to reduce the costs as much as they can, yet still enjoy certain "humanly" things, e.g. beer, a monthly night at a restaurant or going to the cinema.
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Pawek_13
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posted April 03, 2016 12:27 AM
Edited by Pawek_13 at 00:29, 03 Apr 2016.

phe said:
politicians try to make people political slaves and keep a lot of people as slaves working by delivering of social help...
What is indeed necessary:
-cancellation of debts(foreign and domestic)
-lowering of taxes and cuts in budgets spending (social-help out, schools out, healthcare out, big military spendings reduction and a lot more....)
-lowering of living costs (cheap energy, antigravity, cheap housing, free plot trade without bureaucracy and without fees for spatial planning department, e-learning without spendings from state's budget)


Yes, especially by providing social aid for elderly people, whose productivity is so big when compared to younger citizens, who receive much less money from the state's budget...

Additionally, what do you mean by "antigravity?"

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phe
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posted April 03, 2016 12:45 AM
Edited by phe at 01:25, 03 Apr 2016.

EnergyZ said:
phe said:

politicians try to make people political slaves and keep a lot of people as slaves working by delivering of social help...
What is indeed necessary:
-cancellation of debts(foreign and domestic)
-lowering of taxes and cuts in budgets spending (social-help out, schools out, healthcare out, big military spendings reduction and a lot more....)
-lowering of living costs (cheap energy, antigravity, cheap housing, free plot trade without bureaucracy and without fees for spatial planning department, e-learning without spendings from state's budget)



That sounds in an ideal world for a normal man, who is not very rich.



I'd prefer a system that bases a man's work, not how "important" their job is. After all, I sometimes hear that out here, certain politicians receive a big fat paycheck, yet rarely attend the government meetings. Could be the same in other states, I don't know.

I believe the best one could do is to reduce the costs as much as they can, yet still enjoy certain "humanly" things, e.g. beer, a monthly night at a restaurant or going to the cinema.


that's world for honest people whatever poor or rich...where you don't have artificial chasm between poor and rich...where your job and effort has value like it is indeed...set by free-market: supply of workforce and demand for work...where you can be creator and business-man and spend fruits of your work (money and goods on whatever you like giving other people work by it)...and where your money don't go to people you dislike(because they are bad, lazy, etc...)...and where you have more money to help people who deserve help...where people have more job and business opportunities...and where is less pathologies like corruption, homosexualism, prostitution, sexual harassment at work...

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phe
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posted April 03, 2016 12:54 AM
Edited by phe at 01:20, 03 Apr 2016.

Pawek_13 said:
phe said:
politicians try to make people political slaves and keep a lot of people as slaves working by delivering of social help...
What is indeed necessary:
-cancellation of debts(foreign and domestic)
-lowering of taxes and cuts in budgets spending (social-help out, schools out, healthcare out, big military spendings reduction and a lot more....)
-lowering of living costs (cheap energy, antigravity, cheap housing, free plot trade without bureaucracy and without fees for spatial planning department, e-learning without spendings from state's budget)


Yes, especially by providing social aid for elderly people, whose productivity is so big when compared to younger citizens, who receive much less money from the state's budget...


by implementing what i proposed you could provide help for eldery people by yourself... and by help of these technologies it would cost you much much less...

DOWN WITH PENSIONS!!!
not everyone agreed for this...do they all deserve them???  
pensions was forced by dishonest oligarchy in politics...
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Additionally, what do you mean by "antigravity?"

antigravity is a phenomenon in physics...it reduces gravity pull under rotating disc by 90%....disc's interior has special vortex construction which allows for implosion of water and air inside...that propably holds high amounts of energy accumulated...cheap and clean energy...no more petroleum...let's space age for everyone begin...

antigravity

antigravity
there used to be better site in Polish...but it's no more...check for Victor Schauberger and antigravity in search engine....

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EnergyZ
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posted April 09, 2016 01:38 AM

AlexSpl said:
Do you really believe the wall is possible and effective? Don't take it seriously. I think Trump wants to secure the southern border. No human trafficking, no drugs from Mexico.


I wasn't exactly referring to the wall. I sounded more of an implication that this Paul does not approve of Trump's ideals. After all:

Quote:
Ron Paul on Wednesday said Donald Trump’s plan for funding a wall along America’s border with Mexico resembles stealing.



I could approve of the idea to stop the drug wars and such things. But when you start closing a whole border from a neighboring country, it all sounds like a negative message to whole Mexico, regardless of intention.

That being said, would Mexico have a saying in all of this? I thought not.

All being said, it points out to the idea that neither Hillary nor Trump aren't "America's best" (presidential candidates). For, if, as it is being said, one needs a wise leader, making a giant wall to block off a whole country does not certain sound wise at all.

Out here, we have these refugees coming in from Syria, mostly. Walls are built to prevent them from entering the country, for a lot of reasons. But building a wall to stop drug transport in America isn't a good idea, for such drugs could be exported elsewhere - and there are other ways to bring them to America.

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Gryphs
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posted April 09, 2016 01:47 AM

AlexSpl said:
I even think that "the wall" actually means a full-scale military invasion to form a DMZ at least 100 km wide.
You cannot be serious.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 09, 2016 01:48 AM

So, why Donald Trump? First, he is honest. He is rich, yet he is crystal clear if we speak about offshore games. Second, he doesn't need our money to be a candidate. He has his own. (Read, no corruption). He is true to the Founding Fathers ideals and respects the Constitution. Third, he sincerely wants to make America great again

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posted April 09, 2016 01:57 AM

AlexSpl said:
So, why Donald Trump? First, he is honest. He is rich, yet he is crystal clear if we speak about offshore games. Second, he doesn't need our money to be a candidate. He has his own. (Read, no corruption). He is true to the Founding Fathers ideals and respects the Constitution. Third, he sincerely wants to make America great again


lol... no. he's just a businessman. and what do businessmen do? the same as politicians, because they are the SAME as politicians; morally speaking.

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posted April 09, 2016 02:17 AM

Quote:
You cannot be serious.

Well, this is one of the possible scenarios. Actually, the best one. How else do you think we can build an impenetrable wall?

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Gryphs
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posted April 09, 2016 02:21 AM
Edited by Gryphs at 02:23, 09 Apr 2016.

I am having a hard time seeing if you are being sarcastic or not. If you are not you do realize what a disaster this would be on an international and domestic level. There would be no sort of support for such war mongering.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 09, 2016 02:23 AM

You are wrong. There's the precedent. The Crimea. No one actually cares.

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Gryphs
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posted April 09, 2016 02:27 AM
Edited by Gryphs at 02:38, 09 Apr 2016.

Oh, I can say people would care. The Crimean problem reaction would have nothing in similar with a reaction for what would be a completely uncalled for declaration of war and land grab from the US.
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posted April 09, 2016 02:31 AM
Edited by AlexSpl at 02:32, 09 Apr 2016.

I know that the U.S.A. is able to form 100 km wide DMZ if forced to. This is real. A physical wall is unreal.

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Gryphs
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posted April 09, 2016 02:33 AM
Edited by Gryphs at 02:38, 09 Apr 2016.

The US is not being forced to make a DMZ, far from it.
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