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markkur
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posted June 29, 2016 09:30 PM |
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Hillary Clinton's Corruption Crisis | Roger Stone and Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lyIXjvlBzY
If you bother to listen...go the distance. The two men start with Hillary but go on to other issues. i.e. "The Middle-East", "Libya" and "Russia and Putin" come up along the way.
Most importantly, because of Roger Stone's long background, he speaks about the corruption problems of the U.S. government across party-boundaries and this goes back today at least 3 straight Presidencies and that now the 2 parties have mostly morphed into the same hidden cesspool.
I think we must have these viewpoints outside the mainstream media (an example of a good TECH for the masses) behind ANY cause people initially support or it has and will become something much different in truth. i.e. Listen to how Stone describes the historical Democratic & Republican parties and what both generally represented at one time. He is not saying anything new to me but if younger voters do not understand why G. Washington warned the nation about - issues regarding Party-Politics (or foreign interests) taking center-stage over issues facing the Nation and the People?..."it is a bane" to the People and the Nation. "Durin's Bane?", think Balrog. And we have a nasty one stalking our nation now.
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Elodin
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posted June 30, 2016 12:38 AM |
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Attorney General Lynch met privately with Bill Clinton today. She says they talked of grandkids. Yeah, sure.
Did Lynch brief Bill on the 2 FBI criminal investigations against Hillary? Did she offer a plea deal? Did she offer not to prosecute in exchange for a future favor?
Being the one who decides if Hillary is prosecuted or not Lynch meeting with Bill Clinton certainly at least appears to be corruption if she was not offering a plea deal.
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posted June 30, 2016 12:55 AM |
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Probably to congratulate him for being married to the next Madam President of the United States 
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posted June 30, 2016 02:18 AM |
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Who cares about Hillary's corruption. She's compared to Trump... as long as she isn't as worse as Trump, she got nothing to worry about.
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posted June 30, 2016 03:00 AM |
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Hillary Clinton is the next president of the United States. Benghazi, within the time dilated framework of political events, might as well have been a century ago. It's not a major issue and unless she's physically impeded from becoming president by being charged and convicted, it's not going to get in her way to the presidency. Not with who she's running against.
Hillary Clinton won because the conservatives elected her, or they might as well have.
Anti-establisment rhetoric has ceased control of the GOP, and the party was already suffering from disunity even before Trump. It's a global phenomenon and yes, it's alive within the Democrats as well in the form of Sanders' more rambunctious voters, but Clinton still holds an iron fist over the base which isn't a statement Trump can (truthfully) repeat. A house divided cannot stand.
Where I live Hispanics are the majority population and Trump stands basically no chance of winning. Florida and Arizona are two swing states and theyre both anti-Trump and full of brown people. The GOP needed Rubio or at least Kasich for a win but but they chose a divider. They're dead. The election is over, unless another 9/11 happens.
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posted June 30, 2016 03:02 AM |
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I wouldn't call it so soon. Again, never underestimate anger and fear. They are wonderful motivators.
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posted June 30, 2016 08:56 AM |
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posted June 30, 2016 08:59 AM |
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None. As usual people will not change their opinion no matter what is done. I mean, if anyone was rational, nothing but watching that video Markur posted would be enough to cure your clintonism for life. But also the other candidate sucks, so.
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posted June 30, 2016 09:09 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 09:21, 30 Jun 2016.
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I am not an expert Salamandre, but would you mind sharing a few of your primary reasons against Sanders? I promise if I respond I will be brief and factual.
If it has anything to do with "giving more to the population" in the form of food, education, and health.. I will just say in advance that we are spending over 8 million per hour on unnecessary, unjustified war, let alone an accumulation of over 20 trillion in bailouts to the corporate likes of which laws are written for to enable tax evasion by legal means.
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Sanders is a force against that sort of corruption and these terrorist acts our government has called "wars". Can Sanders possibly unstir the nest? TBH I don't know. But the way he stood up for civil rights when white racism was the public norm tends to show a lot about his moral structure.
Bernie Sanders is pretty much the surest chance of societal evolution.
Hillary Clinton is a pretty much guaranteed reinforcement to the segregation of rich corporations and the middle class.
Which includes exploitation and abuse of us in many forms from medical, foods, etc
Donald Trump seems to be the trigger of bombings one way or another, but most likely all.
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posted June 30, 2016 09:13 AM |
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When I said "other" I was talking about Trump.
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posted June 30, 2016 09:19 AM |
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Edited by artu at 09:21, 30 Jun 2016.
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Salamandre said:
None. As usual people will not change their opinion no matter what is done. I mean, if anyone was rational, nothing but watching that video Markur posted would be enough to cure your clintonism for life. But also the other candidate sucks, so.
When I was watching the Sarah Palin film I mentioned earlier in the movie thread, there was this scene. The media is hitting Palin hard and she's talking to an experienced advisor from the White House, suggesting she should have a press conference. The advisor strongly suggests not to do that and let it go, she asks, wouldn't that make her look guilty or weak (can't remember the exact words) and the advisor says that any news' life-span is 48 hours now and then it is forgotten no matter what, "the news is not news anymore" he says, "it's just entertainment." All you have to do is let it slide.
The internet with all of its information flow and hundreds of TV channels etc, is great overall, of course. We can reach any information any time with various perspectives and so on... Especially for the ones who back it up by actual book-reading, sharpening their BS filters, it's a very handy tool. But it also hinders your capacity to genuinely care for most of the stuff you take in. You are facing so much information constantly, the tempo inevitably absorbs your focus. I'm very curious to see, how will the generations that are now born into this will turn out in the future. Will they eventually develop a stronger attention-span or to use a hyperbole, will they turn into gold fish which can't process 5 minutes ago.
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posted June 30, 2016 09:22 AM |
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Salamandre said:
When I said "other" I was talking about Trump.
okay my bad
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posted June 30, 2016 09:27 AM |
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I have to say, that I don't understand that video AT ALL - suddenly Republicans are worried about the rights of GAY people which are threatened because Hillary Clinton doesn't understand the threat that radical Islam poses to them?
Watch This.
It's at least funny.
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posted June 30, 2016 09:31 AM |
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@artu, good point but in present case, I think it has more to do with lack of smart, honest and lobbies-independent candidates. If Trump and Hillary is what America as culture and society can breed best, then imo the entire presidential system should be burned and recreated from scratch, become less dependent on personal fortune and guarantee same media time to everyone, no matter their past and wealth.
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posted June 30, 2016 09:56 AM |
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Salamandre, sometimes I don't understand how you can be so naive.
I mean, what IS a party, and how does it work? Let's say you enter one - how do you climb the ladder? How will you get nominated for a post? Do you really think that a party is a group of people who disregard their own intetest in favor to finding best candiate for every position? And where does the money come from, a party needs to organize itself and pay the bills?
It gets complicated when you consider that there is no real "formula" for what is "best" for a construct like a country or town or state. "Corruption" isn't a clearly defined line. I mean, if you know other persons well, you DO yourselves favors, do you? And if you see that a road is blocked ny a thick wall, you try to find another way instead of tearing it down, because usually finding another way is faster and more prone to succeed.
Democracy is just another way to concentrate and instrumentalize power in a few hands - it's not a way to disperse power.
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posted June 30, 2016 10:08 AM |
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I fail to see your point. I never removed the personal interest from equation, just saying that when it overshadows your people interests and is tolerated, you got a problem.
Everyone seeks power, thats all human, but when leading a nation you have the responsibility of making compromises and keep your people safe.
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posted June 30, 2016 10:09 AM |
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Conspiracy theorist Roger Stone: 'I have a book coming up, in which I make the case that John F. Kennedy Jr. was murdered — and he was murdered by the Clintons, because he was in the way. 
Stone also tweeted that Hillary Clinton should be “executed,” and Sen. Bernie Sanders should be shot for treason.
He honestly believes Hillary might have him assassinated because he talks bad about her. Imagine that?
Anyone who is rational, is persuaded from his previous position after listeniing to this man? yeah right *shakes head*
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posted June 30, 2016 10:23 AM |
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Yeah, the guy is nuts.
@ Salamandre
My point is, to reach any position of power in any developed capitalist country you already have to have some power and the less power you have the more it is necessary to find allies and the more compromises you must make.
By the time you ARE in a real position of power you are firmly locked in a web of old money (that is, rich family dynasties), political favors and deals, dependencies and quite possibly secret dark spots, a web that you can maybe pull a couple of strings, but that is impossible to destroy.
Factually the US are an oligarchy (that starts, for example, with who visits what college), and that oligarchy is very power sensitive. I mean, what do you think why the taxes for the rich are so low in the US?
It's not THAT much different from the current China, except that the power is divided on a couple more shoulders.
But the actual prove of how powerless the people are in reality is, that they have no influence whatsoever on who they can pick from. None. Or are there polls that ask - are you satisfied with the selection of presidential candiates - or - will you be happy with your vote or would you rather have seen a different nominee for your favorite party?
What I want to say is, that governments of the world are interested in the good of the people in varying degrees, probably none very high, but certainly not the highest in the US. It's just a charade.
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Ebonheart
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posted June 30, 2016 10:41 AM |
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The only reason it works like that JJ is because we employ the most retarded form of democracy.
Id say, the swiss model is the way to go. Politicians can decide but people got the last say in every question via referendums.
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posted June 30, 2016 10:44 AM |
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Still, if a large number of people don't act like cattle and boycott the elections because of unsuitable candidates, the power groups can't do anything but accept that and offer other other options. Nobody is forced to pick one of two, three, a hundred, whatever number of bad choices, if the system has gotten to the point of offering only "lesser evils", then it must be forcefully cured because it will only get worse with time.
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