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artu
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posted August 13, 2016 02:30 AM

Julia Roberts for president! She acts better than Reagan.
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Celfious
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posted August 13, 2016 04:09 AM

That saying "hindsight is always 20/20",
The next presidential elections in year 2020...

I have been trying to come up with a good quote with this for awhile now. Either way, I find an election happening in 2020 unlikely.

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posted August 13, 2016 06:45 AM
Edited by Celfious at 10:56, 13 Aug 2016.

*sigh*
At least the US Government are a little more upfront with their blatant lies nowa days.... I just got done reading about Operation Northwood and The gulf of Tonkin (Cuba / Vietnam respectively)


Operation Northwoods Did our government really plan to attack its own citizens and blame it on Cuba?

gulf of tonkin "On the night of Aug. 4, the Pentagon proclaimed that a second attack by North Vietnamese PT boats had occurred earlier that day in the Tonkin Gulf — a report cited by President Johnson as he went on national TV that evening to announce a momentous escalation in the war: air strikes against North Vietnam."


And:
Hillary speaks about the emails before the exposure,
Years ago HRC states "As much as I’ve been investigated and all of that, you know, why would I —- I don’t even want -— why would I ever want to do e-mail?" (she's seen on tape telling Peter Paul on home video captured at a fundraiser). "Can you imagine?" she said.
(BTW, is that Stan Lee??? Casting HRC: mutant power is Legal Immunity.)


Edit: Guccifer 2.0 new content, ouch I am scarred to own this file https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/08/12/guccifer-2-0-hacked-dccc/

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posted August 13, 2016 03:51 PM

Miru said:
@markkur Don't worry. Even if you had saved for retirement some bank would have created a triple A rated bond that you would have bought and turned into dust because S&P, Moody's and Fitch are crooks. So you're no worse off than anyone else.


Well that's certainly true had my later years went the normal route. In my case, when you have nothing to lose (mammon) you have nothing to lose. However, I do have grandkids...so the sting remains.

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posted August 13, 2016 03:54 PM

artu said:
Julia Roberts for president! She acts better than Reagan.

NO and no.

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artu
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posted August 13, 2016 04:13 PM
Edited by artu at 16:14, 13 Aug 2016.

I was just messing with the picture in the previous page, isn't that her with Trump and the Clintons? And yes, she does act better than Reagan but he doesnt set the bar very high anyway.
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posted August 13, 2016 04:21 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 16:23, 13 Aug 2016.

Julia Roberts with such kitsch trinkets? No way,that is Trump's wife.

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posted August 13, 2016 04:27 PM

Celfious said:

Hillary speaks about the emails before the exposure,
Years ago HRC states "As much as I’ve been investigated and all of that, you know, why would I —- I don’t even want -— why would I ever want to do e-mail?" (she's seen on tape telling Peter Paul on home video captured at a fundraiser). "Can you imagine?" she said.
(BTW, is that Stan Lee??? Casting HRC: mutant power is Legal Immunity.)



wtf
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artu
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posted August 13, 2016 04:31 PM

Salamandre said:
Julia Roberts with such kitsch trinkets? No way,that is Trump's wife.

source

Yes, I checked, too. I was just about to post another link saying you're right. In the picture in the previous page, she surprisingly looks a lot like Julia Roberts, not from the front though.
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posted August 14, 2016 11:17 AM
Edited by markkur at 11:24, 14 Aug 2016.

Wilson's Wisdom

This is now a century old but the meaning applies today just as it did back then.

Prior to WW1, Woodrow Wilson was considered by many to be the heart and centre of the whole movement for lasting and permanent reform in America. Discussing President Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson said:

Quote:
He promised too often the millennium. No public man has a right to go so far afield. You have no right to promise Heaven unless you can bring us to it, for, in making promises, you create too much
expectation and your failure brings with it only disappointment and sometimes despair. As a candidate for the Presidency I do not want to promise Heaven unless I can bring you to it. I can only see a little distance up the road. I cannot tell you what is around the corner. The successful leader ought not to keep too far in advance of the mass he is seeking to lead, for he will soon lose contact with them. No unusual expectation ought to be created by him. When messages are brought to me by my friends of what is expected of the next President, I am sometimes terrified at the task that would await me in case I should be elected. For instance, my daughter, who is engaged in social-welfare work in Philadelphia, told me of a visit she paid a humble home in that city where the head of a large family told her that her husband was going to vote for me because it would mean cheaper bread. My God, gentlemen, just think of the responsibility an expectation of that kind creates! I can't reduce the price of bread. I can only strive in the few years I shall have in office to remove the noxious growths that have been planted in our soil and try to clear the way for the new adjustment which is necessary. That adjustment cannot be brought about suddenly. We cannot arbitrarily turn right about face and pull one policy up by the roots and cast it aside, while we plant another in virgin soil. A great industrial system has been built up in this country under the fosterage of the Government,behind a wall of unproductive taxes. Changes must be brought about,first here, then there, and then there again. We must move from step to step with as much prudence as resolution. In other words, we are called upon to perform a delicate operation, and in performing a delicate operation it is necessary for the surgeon who uses the knife to know where the foundation of vitality is, so that in cutting out the excrescence he shall not interfere with the vital tissues.

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posted August 15, 2016 10:50 AM
Edited by Celfious at 11:16, 15 Aug 2016.

I've posted promising hope many times that doesnt pan out as it should, but some details in this multi probe FBI investigation on the Clinton foundation seems pretty serious

*crosses fingers*

http://wearechange.org/fbi-mutiny-wikileaks-tweets-fbi-investigating-clinton-foundation/
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posted August 15, 2016 03:56 PM
Edited by markkur at 17:29, 15 Aug 2016.

the Comey dance

I do not think she exactly received a pass yet...the flagrant-cases just need someone that gives a damn about "justice-for-all" to stop this old house of horror.

Edit:

If you are even "thinking" of voting against Trump for a nano-second you need to listen. Stefan interviewed Charles Ortel about the specifics of the Clinton Foundation. This damned discussion made my ears bleed. link

Mr. Ortel has his own .com where all the info is available to read.

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posted August 16, 2016 02:49 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 02:56, 16 Aug 2016.

This is following the assumption that a lawful person is automatically better than an unlawful one, and not everybody thinks that way. Not that being unlawful is (usually) a good thing but this isn't enough to convince a person in itself.

I will invoke Godwin's Law and bring the Nazis into the conversation: the Holocaust was legal. Escaping a concentration camp was illegal.
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posted August 16, 2016 03:09 PM

Blizzardboy said:
This is following the assumption that a lawful person is automatically better than an unlawful one, and not everybody thinks that way. Not that being unlawful is (usually) a good thing but this isn't enough to convince a person in itself.



Hmm, I don't follow. Are you thinking our choices for Prez are still good people/great candidates, even if they break many laws that you and I would have no way in hell of breaking even a single one?

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artu
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posted August 16, 2016 03:15 PM

I'd rather say, he thinks Clinton violating some laws is no way a good enough reason to vote for someone as disastrous as Trump over her. Since what he replied started by saying this:

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If you are even "thinking" of voting against Trump for a nano-second you need to listen.


Trump is worse than Clinton in so many regards, I can't even begin to count them.
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posted August 16, 2016 03:36 PM

Hillary plans to award legal citizenship to all undocumented migrants, and this is, in my opinion, the highest form of both betrayal and contempt of your own nation and laws. The message is in sum "you did a crime, now we will even reward and welcome you". For mocking and spiting on our laws, which you willingly and knowingly ignored while prioritizing pure selfish considerations.

Most people do not realize that the pattern on which immigrants assimilate or contribute later to the host nation is highly dependent on the way they got in, way which testifies about their honesty, will and respect of the host.  

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posted August 16, 2016 04:09 PM

If I'm not mistaken, it's quite regular in the U.S., especially when it comes to Mexican immigrants, to move in illegaly, work in low wage jobs for some time and then eventually apply for citizenship years later. I remember, back in the 90's a friend of mine's big brother went there, he started working at a gas station, he had a social security number, driver's license but he was not a "legal" immigrant and he was not a citizen.
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posted August 16, 2016 04:54 PM

Thats not my point and anyway it is not because something illegal regularly happens that it becomes legal and recommendable.

What is the difference between a legal and an illegal migrant? The first asks your opinion and permission before coming in, the second just breaks in and doesn't give a snow about you and your opinion, all he cares is him. Of course I don't want to generalize and I am sure illegal migrants, on a minority base, can become fair and honest citizens, but in general, I don't expect the thief who broke the window in order to get in my house to become a honest roomer later.

Neither get a reward for it.  

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posted August 16, 2016 06:27 PM
Edited by mvassilev at 18:29, 16 Aug 2016.

If the law was unjust to begin with, I wouldn't hold it against people that they break it. Then giving them amnesty isn't a reward, but simply leaving them alone, as they were due to begin with.
Or was it wrong to grant freedom to escaped slaves? Would you have said "We'll free the law-abiding ones who stayed on their plantations, but not the disrespectful criminals who escaped"?
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posted August 16, 2016 08:24 PM

That's all well and good Mvass but I think your opponents don't accept your premise. The law wasn't unjust to begin with. I think we should overhaul our immigration, let in only the best and brightest. We should do more standardized testing and weight useful degrees more heavily. Honestly I'd approve banishing certain classes of felons and people with horrendously low test scores, but of course there's no way that will ever pass a democratic vote.

When I first heard Ayn Rand's happily ever after (the productive people leave society and form their own while the rest of the world literally starves to death) I thought it was absurd, but honestly I think saving this world is impossible and if I could I'd set sail for Atlantis.

I still think Ayn Rand was crazy though, of course.
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