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posted August 17, 2016 01:26 PM |
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artu said:
Trump is worse than Clinton in so many regards, I can't even begin to count them.
Give it a go. I'd like to read this huge list.
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posted August 17, 2016 01:41 PM |
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If the law was unjust to begin with, I wouldn't hold it against people that they break it. Then giving them amnesty isn't a reward, but simply leaving them alone, as they were due to begin with.
Or was it wrong to grant freedom to escaped slaves? Would you have said "We'll free the law-abiding ones who stayed on their plantations, but not the disrespectful criminals who escaped"?
Comparing captive slaves to illegals is a load of baloney and you should know that.
My Dad lived in Houston as an old man on a fixed income. Illegals poured over without restraint and moved in 3-4 families to a single dwelling splitting the rent. Landlords raised rent but it didn't matter and soon all the citizens were enjoying rising rents, all night commotion and drug scenes on their once empty streets. This is how our cities have become hell-holes.
When the laws of entry (including those for public health & safety) are not followed...too often there is no regard for any law.
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posted August 17, 2016 02:27 PM |
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artu said:
Trump is worse than Clinton in so many regards, I can't even begin to count them.
Give it a go. I'd like to read this huge list.
1- His ignorance is at such a level where thinks everything has a short cut. He believes he can just "simplify" anything into street smart problem solving. He won't be able to.
(Or he pretends to be that which is the worst kind of populism.)
2- He is not an idealist, neither is Clinton but she doesn't pretend to be one. Trump, on the other hand, pretends to be "fighting the system" when in fact, the only reason he is a candidate is the flaws of the system that he wants his voter base to believe he is exposing.
3- He won't be able to deal with the crisis in the Middle East, because the Middle Easterners justifiably see him as a pragmatist racist. He won't be isolating the U.S. from the Middle East as a temporary solution either because that is a move your government can't make no matter who gets elected. He will only flame things.
4- Despite every major snow up in foreign politics and imperial overreach, the United States still has a reputation, you are considered a mature democracy where majority of people won't elect someone as immodest as Trump, no matter what. Trump as president won't be much different than Jerry Springer as secretary of communications. You will be constantly ridiculed.
5- He is not considered a probable future president because he brings a genuine alternative to the table, his rise is basically fueled by a reaction. But a tempered reaction never results in a good decision.
6- States have major long-term politics and plans, they construct their system according to that, a bureaucratic network of traditions ingenerate. If such a construction becomes the source of constant corruption, only people who risk things despite their political career can change it, and that does not happen with populism, that does not happen in an instant. So, unless you have a revolutionary and decisive mind on the office (you have no such candidate), it's really better to have a professional politician instead of a superficial egomaniac such as Trump.
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posted August 17, 2016 02:35 PM |
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He's also telling you nonsense. What he said about Germany on Monday was a lie. Criminal statistics in Germany have not increased, nor is Merkel's policy disastrous. Has been officially refuted, and he said in blatant contradiction to the facts.
He's just catering to your fears and wants you to be AFRAID. A prospective leader who wants you to be afraid isn't a viable choice as a leader.
He's no Ronald Reagan; instead he's a swashbuckler and a windbag who has one and only one interest, and that's HIMSELF.
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posted August 17, 2016 03:24 PM |
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Both candidates are preying on the fears of the ignorant; it would be foolish not to. Fear is an excellent motivator in elections.
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posted August 17, 2016 04:27 PM |
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Filling people with optimism and a sense of strength and calm is just as good - however, you need a real leader for that and not just a fearmonger.
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posted August 17, 2016 04:37 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
He's also telling you nonsense. What he said about Germany on Monday was a lie. Criminal statistics in Germany have not increased, nor is Merkel's policy disastrous.
Yeah, or you just don't want to admit the evidence.
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posted August 17, 2016 05:44 PM |
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markkur said:
Comparing captive slaves to illegals is a load of baloney and you should know that.
The point is the illustrate the principle that law-breaking isn't necessarily bad and is sometimes actively good. But you should know that.Quote:
My Dad lived in Houston as an old man on a fixed income. Illegals poured over without restraint and moved in 3-4 families to a single dwelling splitting the rent. Landlords raised rent but it didn't matter and soon all the citizens were enjoying rising rents, all night commotion and drug scenes on their once empty streets. This is how our cities have become hell-holes.
How horrible! All-night commotion and higher rents are definitely a reason to keep innocent people trapped in third-world countries. [/sarcasm]
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posted August 17, 2016 06:00 PM |
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People make the world they live in, not the opposite.
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posted August 17, 2016 06:51 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Filling people with optimism and a sense of strength and calm is just as good - however, you need a real leader for that and not just a fearmonger.
Making false promises to the hopeful, ignorant masses is just as bad as fearmongering. Look at how well President Obama's "Hope & Change" message worked out for everybody.
This particular election just boils down to legacy. Will Clinton's schemes pay off and make her the first female president of the United States? Or will the multi-billionaire "man of the people" clinch it? Who's ego will be satisfied?
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posted August 17, 2016 08:02 PM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
He's also telling you nonsense. What he said about Germany on Monday was a lie. Criminal statistics in Germany have not increased, nor is Merkel's policy disastrous.
Yeah, or you just don't want to admit the evidence.
Until now I thought you'd read the stuff you link to, but apparently you don't or you read just the headline - or maybe numbers have no meaning for you, no idea.
The article is actually confirming what I said.
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posted August 17, 2016 08:03 PM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
JollyJoker said:
Filling people with optimism and a sense of strength and calm is just as good - however, you need a real leader for that and not just a fearmonger.
Making false promises to the hopeful, ignorant masses is just as bad as fearmongering. Look at how well President Obama's "Hope & Change" message worked out for everybody.
This particular election just boils down to legacy. Will Clinton's schemes pay off and make her the first female president of the United States? Or will the multi-billionaire "man of the people" clinch it? Who's ego will be satisfied?
You want to tell me that 8 years with Obama were not better than 8 years with Bush?
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posted August 17, 2016 08:21 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
The article is actually confirming what I said.
The article is only confirming that you have a purely administrative and materialistic vision of what is an ethical phenomenon, involving the feeling of belonging to a specific culture, land and history. For you, bringing 1 million people in is going to increase the criminality by same value as the natives one, so there is no problem, tout va bien madame la Marquise. The difference between native crime and immigration crime is that people is not forced to feed the native criminals, nor to provide them free stuff, roof and jobs. So "statistic" means nothing but a big spit on people's faces in this case.
Such low brow vision is the reason Europe and maybe US will face a terrible civil war not so far away from now, because people can't be fooled and stomped to the point of being force to share their generosity and hard earned resources then get in reward crime and contempt. Moreover, there is a fact that your country (if you still get what such concept means) police is totally ineffective at catching immigration based crime, the 1000+ crimes from Cologne and other aren't even counted in the article I linked to you, as the towns in question refused to report. So facts are twisted, info is manipulated, and you are the proud messenger of all this mess.
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posted August 17, 2016 08:50 PM |
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posted August 17, 2016 10:37 PM |
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Personally I would rather vote for getting hit on the head with a cactus then vote for either Trump or Clinton. Though both are doing a good job of lampooning their own campaign. One is just insane, the other has issues of their own. I don't know which is worse.. ok Trump is a bit worse.. but only because he has his own little reality he lives in. Do people even listen to what comes out of his own mouth????
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posted August 17, 2016 10:59 PM |
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Vote third party. If enough people do it, others will start to take it seriously as an option. I'd rather use my vote to slightly increase the chance of a third party candidate next election than use it to pick between a liar an an snowhole this one.
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posted August 18, 2016 02:18 AM |
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OmegaDestroyer said:
Both candidates are preying on the fears of the ignorant; it would be foolish not to. Fear is an excellent motivator in elections.
Once again I am involuntarily thrust with the role of defending Hillary despite having no particular desire to.
Could you (or anybody that wishes to) please specify the fear mongering tactics that are being used by Clinton to try to gain votes? Because to me her platform seems pretty rote, streamlined, and safe, to the point of being boring. One of the most common criticisms of Hillary is that she is an uninspiring candidate.
The only thing I can think of that might give her the label of fear monger is her stance on gun control, because a person could argue that she is being over-reactive to gun violence (I don't agree and I think her views are fairly common sense, but I realize many Americans believe differently). She doesn't have any apocalyptic viewpoints over immigration or Muslims or China or anything else that I am aware of. That hot blooded rhetoric is coming from the other blonde candidates. To me it almost seems a contrast of fire and ice. Cold-blooded viper against fire breathing dragon.
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posted August 18, 2016 02:30 AM |
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mvassilev said:
How horrible! All-night commotion and higher rents are definitely a reason to keep innocent people trapped in third-world countries. [/sarcasm]
Since you are so sarcastic...hopefully you'll get to experience the very same and discover your error.
I grew up in ghetto neighborhoods...you obviously have not. I'm for helping others but not at the expense of; "the nation that makes it possible to help others." Making the U.S. the land of the few RICH surrounded by peasants...will NOT be a lasting solution to the world's problems. Never.
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posted August 18, 2016 02:33 AM |
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artu said:
markkur said:
artu said:
Trump is worse than Clinton in so many regards, I can't even begin to count them.
Give it a go. I'd like to read this huge list.
1- His ignorance is at such a level where thinks everything has a short cut. He believes he can just "simplify" anything into street smart problem solving. He won't be able to.
(Or he pretends to be that which is the worst kind of populism.)
2- He is not an idealist, neither is Clinton but she doesn't pretend to be one. Trump, on the other hand, pretends to be "fighting the system" when in fact, the only reason he is a candidate is the flaws of the system that he wants his voter base to believe he is exposing.
3- He won't be able to deal with the crisis in the Middle East, because the Middle Easterners justifiably see him as a pragmatist racist. He won't be isolating the U.S. from the Middle East as a temporary solution either because that is a move your government can't make no matter who gets elected. He will only flame things.
4- Despite every major snow up in foreign politics and imperial overreach, the United States still has a reputation, you are considered a mature democracy where majority of people won't elect someone as immodest as Trump, no matter what. Trump as president won't be much different than Jerry Springer as secretary of communications. You will be constantly ridiculed.
5- He is not considered a probable future president because he brings a genuine alternative to the table, his rise is basically fueled by a reaction. But a tempered reaction never results in a good decision.
6- States have major long-term politics and plans, they construct their system according to that, a bureaucratic network of traditions ingenerate. If such a construction becomes the source of constant corruption, only people who risk things despite their political career can change it, and that does not happen with populism, that does not happen in an instant. So, unless you have a revolutionary and decisive mind on the office (you have no such candidate), it's really better to have a professional politician instead of a superficial egomaniac such as Trump.
You have the floor. Now insert Clinton in each point and explain how she's to go-to girl. I'll share my thoughts later.
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posted August 18, 2016 02:44 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Could you (or anybody that wishes to) please specify the fear mongering tactics that are being used by Clinton to try to gain votes? Because to me her platform seems pretty rote, streamlined, and safe, to the point of being boring. One of the most common criticisms of Hillary is that she is an uninspiring candidate.
A railroaded campaign that mostly dictates to the Media doesn't bother you? Not to mention that she IS the current machine that has been in power since Bill.
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The U.S. people need to shake-up our government into doing away with compiling anything and everything on the people. The following discussion actually is a very good one and has an idea or two about what needs to be corrected now.
Edward Snowden Live From Russia
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