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Blizzardman
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posted October 10, 2016 08:04 PM

Female voting habits are 95% the same as men in terms of your conservatives and liberals. On reproductive issues you can even rack in more female votes than male, rather than allegedly the other way around. What is ruining Trump's appeal to women (excluding that it's official he is guilty of sexual assault and battery. Election is over. ) is his over-masculinity. His tone and mannerisms are all about soaking in dissatisfied men, and that isn't enough to win an election. It IS good at keeping an untouchable base that will always support you.  

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Gryphs
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posted October 10, 2016 08:29 PM
Edited by Gryphs at 21:32, 10 Oct 2016.

Kayna said:
With men beings 48 % of the population and women 52 %, it's wiser to side with women. Women are so nice, they're always right too! Especially single mothers, the white knights of this society. The pillar that supports us all. Hillary got a pussy, she's way better than Trump.
Alienating anyone is a horrible idea. So why alienate half the population? Lol.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 11, 2016 12:55 AM

Umm. Balls she's got. Pussy, though?

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posted October 13, 2016 03:58 AM

Wikileaks recently posted some excerpts from Hillary Clinton's paid speeches.

The good news:
"My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere."

"I think we have to have a concerted plan to increase trade already under the current circumstances... There is so much more we can do, there is a lot of low hanging fruit but businesses on both sides have to make it a priority and it's not for governments to do but governments can either make it easy or make it hard and we have to resist, protectionism, other kinds of barriers to market access and to trade and I would like to see this get much more attention and be not just a policy for a year under president X or president Y but a consistent one."

"[Y]ou know, you don’t have to agree with everything Wal-Mart does, I don't - but those stores served a real purpose, not only for employment and low cost goods, but they did become a way for people who wanted to see what else was available to them could go and look, products that never were readily available in a lot of those places before."

(source for the first two, source for the third)

Maybe she's not entirely terrible - at least these leaks give some hope.

The caveat: How do we know that these leaks reflect her actual positions and she isn't just saying what her donors want to hear? If she can misrepresent herself to the public, she may do the same to them. Still, her saying this is better than nothing, it's at least some evidence for how she wants to govern.

The sad part: is that it had to be leaked instead of her saying it openly. It's a sad day when a leak makes a politician sound better than how they publicly present themselves, because it shows that there are serious problems with the electorate they're trying to appeal to.
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posted October 13, 2016 03:13 PM

Just our from Consortium News, thought I would drop it here.
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markkur
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posted October 18, 2016 05:02 PM

This is a little late but it still matters.

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Newsweek Closed Its Doors with a Slam at Obama
 
Newsweek Is Now History. Newsweek Magazine is going out of business, but not before it attacks the President. This is quite an article, even more so when you consider that NEWSWEEK finally had the guts to admit it. Newsweek COVER! It is their last cover before they fold.
 
Finally, Matt Patterson and Newsweek speak out about Obama. This is timely and tough. As many of you know, Newsweek has a reputation for being extremely <b>liberal.</b> The fact that their editor saw fit to print the following article about Obama and the one that appears in the latest Newsweek, makes this a truly amazing event, and a news story in and of itself. At last, the truth about our President and his agenda are starting to trickle through the protective wall built around him by the liberal media.
 
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By Matt Patterson (Newsweek Columnist -- Opinion Writer)
Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and phenomenon, the result of a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages.  How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job?
Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League, despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer;" a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so infrequently did he vote "present"); and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions.
 
He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator. And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor;" a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking, how on Earth was such a man elected president?  There are no witnesses or actual evidence that he ever attended or worked for any university or that he ever sat for the Illinois bar.  We have no documentation for any of his claims.  He may well be the greatest hoax in history. Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal: To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day.
 
But because Mr. Obama was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were 'a bit' extreme, he was given a pass. Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass--held to a lower standard because of the color of his skin.
 
Podhoretz continues: And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said many times) "non-threatening," all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?
 
Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon--affirmative action. Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.
 
Unfortunately minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on the back. As historians will accurately point out, this is exactly what happened under the Obama administration. African Americans thought an Obama presidency would help them. In retrospect, it was the opposite, as race relations in 2016 are at a 50-year low.
 
Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are not qualified, yet take no responsibility for the inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow. Liberals don't care if these minority students fail; these minority children were at least given the opportunity to succeed. Liberals aren't around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self-esteem resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist. Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his skin--that's affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn't racism, then nothing is.  And that is what America did to Obama. 
 
True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but why would he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois ; he was told he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. He was told that he was worthy of a Nobel Peace prize, despite doing absolutely nothing to earn it, other than being the first black President of the United States. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the next step in spite of ample evidence to the contrary.
 
What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time Obama speaks? In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama's oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people, conservatives included, ought now to be deeply embarrassed. The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of cliches, and that's when he has his Teleprompters in front of him; when the prompter is absent he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth; it's all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years. (An example is his 2012 campaign speeches which are almost word for word his 2008 speeches.)
 
And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inherited this mess. Remember, he wanted the job, campaigned for the task. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerless-ness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. (The other day he actually came out and said no one could have done anything to get our economy and country back on track). But really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly? The voters set the bar low, and he did nothing to improve upon those expectations.
 
In short, our president is a small-minded man with neither the temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense.  It could not have gone otherwise with such an imposter in the Oval Office. With all this said, be very careful who you vote for in the 2016 election. You could be endorsing another four years of what Obama attempted to do to this country.

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fred79
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posted October 18, 2016 05:38 PM

and bush jr. was presidential material? snow that guy. i'm glad their snow rag went out of business. obama had 8 years to try and unscrew what the corporations, the american public, and captain retard snowed up. maybe he couldn't get actually achieve anything, because he was fought tooth and nail on anything he tried to snowing fix?

that said, i have no idea what he actually wanted to implement. besides the health care thing. so i may be ranting for nothing. the way i look at it, people in the states are getting what they deserve. because they're stupid and have faith in a system that threw them out with the bathwater for a couple centuries now, and they don't get up off their asses to do what's right, regardless. i don't have any faith that the end result of any kind of revolution would amount to snow anyway. because in the end, snows would still be in charge of idiotic pushovers.

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Kayna
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posted October 18, 2016 07:15 PM

fred79 said:
obama had 8 years to try and unscrew what the corporations, the american public, and captain retard snowed up. maybe he couldn't get actually achieve anything, because he was fought tooth and nail on anything he tried to snowing fix?



Hahaha. For 8 years Obama signed every legislation and other various legal documents brought before him without even reading them. That's not what I call trying to fix stuff. Hahaha.

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fred79
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posted October 18, 2016 07:25 PM

well, i'm not a president; or anyone who would know what comes across his desk. i'd imagine, quite a bit of paperwork. i know i'd be reading whatever i have to sign. or have lawyers explain the various jargon that's sure to fill the nefarious work, to me. with my puny brain and all.

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posted October 18, 2016 08:19 PM

That is why the front line officials like the presidents are held captives by dynasties of clerks who do the real work and take the real decisions, only having to influence the empowered officials to sign this or that (or to forget about signing it). That is not to say that such officials are powerless, far from it, but when you are given literally tons of paper to turn into regulations, you can only hope that your advisors have read it and can give you decent advice what to do.

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markkur
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posted October 18, 2016 09:57 PM
Edited by markkur at 21:59, 18 Oct 2016.

Well guys no one can really knows what is going to happen but we still need to try and be sensible...right?

How anyone would vote for HRC after everything that the Clintons have been done within this nation (and overseas) is beyond any rational thought. Go ahead make this election about Trump's sex life, although I find that attitude very hypocritical. Bill wrote the book on sex in the White house and the same damned people screaming now sure as hell didn't care about then. This is NOT morality it is...Political Strategy.

The last few decades the Established Rulers of this nation, whoever they may be, (Obama was on board too just like the Bushes) have used the same present media-device to dupe the ignorant -minds and send them running in "purposed directions". This is called "mis-direction" folks. Get folks paying no attention to the biggest issues at had, which just happens to be what the hell matters - well, that sadly IS the purpose of today's non-investigating-anything "Mainstream Media". A fine collection of dung-diggers though. Which is of course the reason why we have this present splendid choice.

Is any topic a little more important than T & A?
i.e. Like say a looming international freakin' disaster?
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PS I've been listening to Russian Media for a while now and I have not heard any warmongering coming from their corner. Putin and others seem pretty fearful to me about recent developments.

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Blizzardman
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posted October 19, 2016 07:54 AM
Edited by Blizzardman at 08:08, 19 Oct 2016.

An individual's character is unlikely to sway 90% of people (although the 10% that it can is still a make or break). A person that agrees with Trump will still do so whether or not they're fond of his history, or ditto with the She-Bill. It isn't enough for most to just dislike somebody because it takes more than that to actually vote for the other person who you more strongly disagree with.

All the same, it's not quite a parallel between Bill and Donald, because although both of them have been nfluential, horny men,  Bill doesn't have the chauvinistic flavor that Donald has, and this will inevitably hurt Donald bad, whereas I believe Bill had more support among women than his wife currently has (albeit pre-election). Bill just has that subtle swag that nets the female intellect, while still doing no disfavors with men.

Ultimately, women have always hated women more than women hate men, but not if you add a history to it. The demographical tendencies can be confusing,  but generally, the group most inclined to vote Hillary largely because she's a woman will be her own older generation. Younger generations are more apathetic to this, though Hillary will still pull in more support from young women for other reasons. Trump's polls are bad in general and then ugly with women.
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Elodin
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posted October 28, 2016 07:43 PM

The FBI has reopened it's investigation into Hillary Clinton.  They say they found more emails.  Perhaps some she has deleted and used bleachbit on to try to make them unrecoverable.

Say hello to President Trump.  Obama will pardon Hillary if she does lose the election.
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posted October 30, 2016 09:45 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 21:46, 30 Oct 2016.




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markkur
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posted October 31, 2016 05:12 PM

Working for the DNC now tSar?

Seriously, the "misdirection-ploy" is brutally blatant in "blame it on the Russians"..."They are corrupting our elections!"

Meanwhile...in America, perverted & predatory thieves seem to be everywhere in the high seats of the offices of this land, that defy every law to protect this nation and the people of this nation for their own profit, power and pleasures.

Trey Gowdy on FBI Finding 650,000 <more> Emails  

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posted October 31, 2016 07:19 PM

The Putin conspiracy rivals the "Hillary is a reptilian" one in ridiculousness. If you follow the "Putin did it!" trend in the media, you'll get the impression that the man is an omnipresent and omnipotent evil deity responsible for all the misery, corruption and suffering on the planet and possibly in space.

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posted October 31, 2016 08:03 PM
Edited by frostysh at 22:46, 31 Oct 2016.

<imo> this thread is full of misleading, i.e. you associating the whole RF with just one man - mr Putin, this is wrong.
RF - is a huge system of the government and it's peoples, US is a huge system too.

The "Obama-Putin" rhetoric, is just a common desire for the peoples, to explain a complicated things with the simplest possible explanation. I am not saying that a simple explanations is always wrong, but I have doubts about such things used in this case. . .

misleading number 2 - in terms of effectiveness of the modern large, powerful state "leading", it does not matter what type of genitals you get, I mean, in this case males same as females, and vice verse.
i.e. for the common folks in the US will be a little difference, by whom actually has been created, examined and implemented a new way in the banking system, or a new path in the diplomacy, and so on. The only very results will take a matter.
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posted November 01, 2016 03:50 PM
Edited by markkur at 15:51, 01 Nov 2016.

Zenofex said:
The Putin conspiracy rivals the "Hillary is a reptilian" one in ridiculousness. If you follow the "Putin did it!" trend in the media, you'll get the impression that the man is an omnipresent and omnipotent evil deity responsible for all the misery, corruption and suffering on the planet and possibly in space.


How do you read Putin? To me (and that's not worth much) he strikes me as a man that is actually afraid of what his intelligence staff is relaying to him and has meant what he said about Western-media misleading the folks. To me the sad thing is, at least here in America, far too many people can't see the BS-light in front of them and think what Putin says is some throw-back to the Cold War. Which since 1991 that is exactly what the want-to-be-world-rulers want everyone in the West to think. With the end of the S.U. the U.S. should have defunded the previously vast amounts of military spending but of course that did not happen - the vampire-corporations feeding off the people's necks needed a new enemy. And what better way than to declare a media-war that cannot possibly have an end? i.e. I Markkur am now declaring war on Brutality.

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posted November 01, 2016 04:14 PM

Putin is far from harmless and scrupulous, don't let the fact that Russia is on the defensive deceive you. He's an ex-KGB, well-accustomed to operating in a hostile environment, basically raised and hardened in an atmosphere of bipolar opposition where he was an agent of one of the superpowers. He leads a nuclear state which is quite capable of eradicating the life on the planet if things go that far and he knows it. He also knows that the others know it. What he's been trying to do for the last 15 years is to bring Russia back among the biggest players in the world politics, regain the lost positions after the collapse of the USSR and Yeltsin's "dark age" and halt NATO's advance toward his country's borders. There is a lot of economy and geopolitics around all that and as you can imagine, megatons of lies - both originating from his government and directed at it. If anything however, Russia will never invade a NATO country unless pushed to the point where such an invasion is needed to defend itself - it cannot win a conventional war and like everyone sane enough gains nothing from a nuclear war. I'm not so sure about NATO against Russia though, from certain perspective the past 25 years are basically a positioning of NATO bases around the entire European territory of Russia and only complete idiots think that these bases are purely defensive. Ukraine was the last drop. From that point I can certainly see why the Russian government is eager to restore positions around Russia's borders, with force where necessary.

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posted November 01, 2016 07:09 PM
Edited by frostysh at 19:13, 01 Nov 2016.

Zenofex said:
. . . He's an ex-KGB, . . .
I have not read the further, amount of the, ahh, a text . But I think the ex-"kgb" it is not a possible phenomenon in the Nature
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