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Blizzardboy
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posted March 19, 2017 03:37 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 04:04, 19 Mar 2017.

@JJ

Ok. I browsed through some old pages. This is somewhat off topic and more out of curiosity:

where do you get the idea that terrorism in France is related to its colonial past? Because most of the problems seem to be from 1st generation, disturbed and/or radicalized men in their late 20s/30s, and you're the only person I've ever seen that tried to connect it to colonialism. In Israel you hear about that connection frequently, and the link is pretry obvious, but I've never seen it applied to France before. And what about France would make it different from Italy and Libya? I've read that it's about problems that started mostly in the 1990s.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 19, 2017 08:13 AM
Edited by JollyJoker at 08:14, 19 Mar 2017.

1) Lots of terrorist attacks in France.

If you go throgh the list, a sizable part of those before "now" will feature ex-French colonies, like Lebanon, Syria, Algeria, Senegal and so on. However, France has had a very violent colonial past:

Look at the part about decolonization.

However - France also wasn't prepared to just say au revoir.

If you read this about imigration to France, you'll read that
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In the wake of the First World War, in which France suffered six million casualties, significant numbers of workers from French colonies came. By 1930, the Paris region alone had a North African Muslim population of 70,000.


After WW 2 France again needed labor and lots of immigrants came, especially from Algeria. However, the real problems started in the 70s:
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During the 1970s, France simultaneously faced economic crisis and allowed immigrants (mostly from the Muslim World) to permanently settle in France with their families and to acquire French citizenship. It resulted in hundreds of thousands of Muslims, especially to the larger cities, living in subsidized public housing and suffering from very high unemployment rates.

Alongside this, France renounced its policy of assimilation, instead pursuing a policy of integration. Some believe it has led to increasing tension and civil unrest between local population and radicalized newcomers, such as the 2005 French riots.

I add, that most of these immigrants came from ex-French colonies, of course, with the added benefits of those knowing the language.

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posted March 19, 2017 10:26 AM

It's not colonialism, it's the last ten years of its AWFUL foreign politics that makes France a target for terrorism.
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posted March 19, 2017 10:59 AM

No.
If you say something like that you are expected to back that up.

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posted March 19, 2017 11:29 AM
Edited by Galaad at 11:30, 19 Mar 2017.

What part do you need me to back up? France has been bombing the Middle-East under Sarkozy and Hollande. Colonialism is not irrelevant but it's not the main factor, it's not like we were the big baddies who came out from nowhere for no reason at that time should I remind you.
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posted March 19, 2017 12:57 PM

"The last 10 years" are only a small part in the history of terror attacks, and while the November Paris attacks ARE an ISIS answer to France actively fighting them (which isn't "awful politics"), there are a lot more.

So you need to bak up the whole statement of yours with facts.

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Galaad
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posted March 19, 2017 01:42 PM

JollyJoker said:
and while the November Paris attacks ARE an ISIS answer to France actively fighting them (which isn't "awful politics"),


France has been bombing civilians and directly selling weapons to the so-called "moderated" rebels which turned out to be extremists. Anyway this isn't France thread and am not willing to debate this here (or maybe not even, no time nor will to give you a huge post but you can do your research).
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frostysh
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posted March 19, 2017 04:44 PM

1) Using the full-scale war methods to fight terrs. is an insanity
for an example, - single bomber dropped few bombs on the very rural village, killed few villagers and wounded ~dozen. The villagers there have a very poor idea about geopolitics, about Sarkozy and stuff, they don't look at the new game devices, they don't wear a fashion cloth etc.. And most of them will have no idea why they has been bombed. The lmost anything the villagers have, is made by their own hands, and a lot of work invented into - if you will destroy the house of the villager, his/her farm - this villager along with his/her family become a beggars... Any damage to their houses and lands, villagers accept with a lot of hate. Especially this is true for the young one, after watching how the peoples that they know dying and suffering - they will have the hate to anyone who have done for the entire life - a perfect ground for the mass-controlling ideologies that using terrs. But it is not the main problem, the main problem is the peoples who ordering to uses such full-scale war methods is actually truly aware of the effects invoked.

2) Yes, The Colonial past, Cold War is the crucial factors.
The government of the (Republic France) RF in the very difficult situation. they mus resolve the issues that lefts from the former "guys", which have made a lot of mistakes (perhaps begins from the Napoleon), the immigrants creating disturbance and destabilizing the situation in the country in general coz' RF have not enough resources to support normal situation, in addition they play a great role in the growing of destabilizing communist/nationalist movements, which is causing even more "bleeding" in RF. RF government have a few solutions for that, but I don't know what a solution they will choose. In the any case, they must act a VERY carefully to avoid any serious resonances, growing of the "radical" ideas in the society, etc, etc - In case of Kingdom of Great Britain (KoGB) it may be ok, their society is a pretty stable and have a pretty good armor against any disturbance, it has been confirmed trough history, but in the case of RF we have some problems... That because the government of RF must avoid a drastically changes the "direction of the train" and count a many factors especially some "growing powers". I hope the RF will be fine.

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