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Salamandre
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posted August 16, 2017 10:20 PM

From John Podesta leaked emails (Hillary chairman):

Wikileaks

"Compare your opponent to Adolf Hitler.

This is your heavy artillery, for when your opponent is obviously right, and you are spectacularly wrong.

Bring Hitler up subtly. Say, That sounds suspiciously like something Adolf Hitler might say, or You certainly do remind me of Adolf Hitler."


Great job, Verriker, you made Podesta great again


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posted August 16, 2017 10:40 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 22:40, 16 Aug 2017.

Verriker said:
Salamandre said:

Great job, Verriker, you made Podesta great again


That sounds like something Hitler would say lol



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posted August 16, 2017 10:59 PM

sorry I had forgotten to mention KKK and put it in comic sans, I will go back and do that lol
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posted August 26, 2017 05:00 AM
Edited by Raenus at 05:18, 26 Aug 2017.

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Destroying history is never a good idea. What did those statues ever do to anyone? Is anyone any happier now that they are gone? Did destroying those relics give anyone a higher quality of life? No, it did not.

They were monuments to history. They can never be replaced. People who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it and you can't learn from something that has been erased by spoiled little brats.

I voted for Obama. I did not vote this last election. However if antifa keeps going out of control and throwing little fits I can guarantee you that I will never vote for another democrat in my life. I hope people know what they are doing because if they are driving me away, they are driving others away. I have a strong suspicion that if this kind of behavior continues the only way another democrat is going to enter the whitehouse will be through force.

I have been hesitant to say anything because it appears that anyone who voices an opinion that disagrees with a liberal is a white supremacist nazi that clearly wants slavery to be reinstated. However I can't hold my tongue any longer, I hit my limit with this bullsnow. So go ahead, call me what you want. Tell me just how stupid and ignorant I am because I don't want monuments to our sordid and horrible history taken down.

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posted August 26, 2017 03:26 PM

I don't think democrats acknowledge such facts, but that they mostly lost control of the follower groups they created in order to maintain a status quo unrest framework. Which now evolved into radicals with all the nonsense every radicalism generates, here is a  Fox news video resuming it quite well.
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posted September 03, 2017 11:23 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 13:55, 03 Sep 2017.

@Raemus:

Yep. Vandals vandalize. The nice thing about radicals is how predictable they are. Antifa wants what all such groups want: power. Removing statues by force is a demonstration of power, and power is a high. They'll be around for X amount of time before being rebranded and resold. They were preceded by "anti-racist action", who were the US offshoot/twin of "anti-fascist action" in West Germany in the 80s, who were preceded by other anarcho-left groups. Some degree of violence and iconoclasm is pretty standard in revolutionaries and has been for eons. Destroying monuments/images/tombs/art is not a "new low".



Looking at the original subject of Charlottesville, first and foremost, it is entirely within the discretion of the university to take something down on campus property.

But, to go a little deeper:

It is suspect if Lee himself would have approved of a big statue of himself. He was supportive post-war of removing obstacles that kept the memory of conflict alive because he feared it would incite further division in the future.

I'm not sure I buy the "it is history" argument. Architecture is part of history and so are books and realia within museums, but I think it is fairly well understood what the purpose of a statue or similar monument is: it is meant to glorify something.

Without going into long details on the politics of Antebellum America, let's just accept that the Confederacy is not looked upon in a very favorable light, and in a contemporary context, the Confederacy and those figures who are associated with it have regrettably become a surrogate golden calf for white nationalists to rally around. White nationalists net the largest contribution of acts of domestic terrorism in the US. The university hosts a broad range of clientele and students from all over the world and sooner or later it isn't so surprising that a Confederate statue would not be considered within the best interests of the campus image.  

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posted September 03, 2017 02:36 PM

Nationalists out here renamed "Marshall Tito's square" to "Republic square", and claim how they "are glad the square does not bear the name of the mass-killer". Just saying both sides are equally something you wish to spit on, a lot of times.
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posted February 20, 2018 04:01 PM

Trump comes in last in expert presidential rankings survey


Obama moved from 18th in 2014, when the survey was last conducted, to 8th in the current survey. Reagan jumped from 11th to 9th. Bill Clinton, meanwhile, fell from 8th to 13th perhaps as a result of heightened attention to sexual misconduct in the midst of the #MeToo movement.

Trump came in dead last. Dead. Last.

LOL.

Even among self-identified Republicans and conservatives, Trump came in 40th out of 44.


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Salamandre
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posted February 20, 2018 04:24 PM

Butthurt liberals. If Obama is in 8th position, it means we should take the poll from the bottom then.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted February 20, 2018 05:39 PM

It would be interesting if those surveyed revealed their voting habits for the last 20 years.  I think it would certainly be telling.  

Then again, what does it matter what a bunch of PoliSci majors think about anything?
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posted March 16, 2018 05:27 AM
Edited by fred79 at 05:30, 16 Mar 2018.

from a trump-firings article on msn:

Quote:
Others considered at risk for being fired or reprimanded include Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson, who has generated bad headlines for ordering a $31,000 dining room set for his office; Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt, who has been under fire for his first-class travel at taxpayer expense; and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, whose agency spent $139,000 to renovate his office doors.


i have a better idea. instead of firing them, drag them out to the street and execute them on public television for willful gross negligence of taxpayer funds. that should get the vermin sweating more appropriately. if it takes vermin to get rid of vermin, i'm all for it.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted March 16, 2018 01:55 PM

If we executed politicians who wasted tax payer funds, it would be anarchy.  
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posted March 16, 2018 02:00 PM

no it wouldn't. there are enough responsible people who could take their place, easy. for instance, they could make me president, or mayor or something like that.

really, the only thing i'd have to worry about is aging faster.

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posted March 16, 2018 04:36 PM

Too harsh penalties lead only to completely ruthless behavior, once a certain threshold is crossed.

Nah execution is no fun. In the Dark Ages they had the pillory. I say, put corrupt and wasteful people in a public office a couple of days into the pillory. Remember, you may not physically hurt them - but throwing spoiled food is as allowed as pissing on them (or throw piss at them).

Another thing I find impressive is atonement Yakuza style. Someone in a public office screwed up? No problem: lose a finger - and do it yourself, otherwise you might lose more than one, if someone is doing it for you.

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posted March 16, 2018 04:46 PM
Edited by fred79 at 13:07, 25 May 2018.

those are actually both acceptable alternatives....

but maybe we could combine all 3? whaddaya think? huh? sounds good, right?
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what the hell is it with people in our government(and the media) trying to sabotage any kind of actual progress???

latest news on the u.s.-n.k. discussion

the article in it's entirety:

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WASHINGTON It's hard to find anyone in Washington, save President Donald Trump and CIA Director Mike Pompeo, who thought a June nuclear summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un was a good idea.

Now, it's been canceled, or put on hold, and Trump is reminding this country and Kim that the American military is ready "if necessary" to escalate straight from negotiation to war. Japan and South Korea are "willing to shoulder much of the cost" if the U.S. military is forced to mobilize in response to any "foolish or reckless acts" by Kim, he said Thursday.

Even before he sent a letter to Kim canceling the talks on Thursday, North Korea had stopped taking American phone calls.

"We got a lot of dial tones," CIA Director Mike Pompeo said at a congressional hearing.

So talk of Trump winning a Nobel Prize, a chant that went up at his political rallies in recent weeks, has also been paused, at least for the moment. And the North Korea hard-liners in his administration can dance to the death knell of a deal not taken.

What went so terribly wrong for a president who said he was on the brink of a historic peace deal that would see North Korea give up its nuclear arms and possibly result one day in the withdrawal of American troops from the Korean peninsula?

For starters, members of his own administration including Vice President Mike Pence and National Security Adviser John Bolton leveled thinly veiled threats at Kim while Pompeo was trying to keep talks alive. As late as Wednesday, just hours before Trump pulled the plug, Pompeo said he thought they would go forward.

With an internal fight over goals, strategy and tactics fully joined, it would have been next to impossible for Kim to believe that any deal struck would stick. Trump also tried to short-circuit the normal diplomatic process, giving Kim a potential public relations victory without very many concessions or conditions. And, with his criticism of his predecessors' deal-making abilities, Trump had set a bar for himself that would have been very difficult to clear.

There was a lot for Trump to lose and not as much to gain.

Perhaps that's why so many of his allies, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Thursday that he was right to cancel the summit.

The talks were star-crossed from the start, said Ellen Tauscher, who was the State Department's undersecretary for arms control and international security affairs under President Barack Obama.

In terms of the delicate art of international nuclear negotiation, she said, it was a mistake for Trump to try to cut a deal with Kim before the details of the agreement could be worked out by their underlings.

"You don't start out, number-one, by giving a despot and murderer like Kim what he wants, which is a photo-op with the president of the United States," she said in an interview with NBC News. "The principals meet at the end."

But there were major substantive problems, too, not least of which was the disagreement within the administration about the desired outcome of the talks.

"We don't know what the Trump administration wants to do," Tauscher said.

"America's interest here is preventing the risk that North Korea will launch a nuclear weapon into L.A. or Denver or to the very place we are sitting here," Pompeo said on Fox News Sunday.

But Bolton, a longtime advocate of regime change in North Korea before he joined the Trump administration, told ABC on the same day that the goal was "getting rid of all the nuclear weapons," not just those which imperil the U.S. He has pointed to the "Libya model," a reference to the agreement President George W. Bush secured from Muammar Gaddafi to give up his nation's nuclear program.

Trump himself rejected the idea of a Libya model for North Korea, hinting that he understood what Pyongyang was wary of: Gaddafi, following a U.S.-led bombardment of his country, was dead within a decade.

"The Libyan model isn't the model that we have at all when we're thinking of North Korea," he said May 17. "This would be with Kim Jong Un, something where he'd be there, he'd be in his country, he'd be running his country, his country would be very rich."

And then Vice President Mike Pence went on Fox this past weekend to say that North Korea negotiations would end "like the Libya model ended" describing his take as a "fact" not a "threat."

If he was trying to blow up a possible nuclear deal, it worked.

North Korea responded by calling Pence a "political dummy," a comment that Trump cited in his decision to announce an end to talks with a country that already had ceased communication with his administration.

Even without the specter of sabotage, Trump had set himself up to clear an impossibly high diplomatic bar in record time.

Bruce Klingner, a senior research fellow and Korea expert at the conservative Heritage Foundation, wrote this week that Trump "may have painted himself into a diplomatic corner" early on in the discussions.

Because Trump had been so harshly critical of past administrations' nuclear negotiations with Pyongyang and with Iran, Klingner wrote, he could only claim victory if he struck a deal with Kim that was "better than the Iran nuclear agreement, previous international denuclearization accords with North Korea, and U.N. resolutions imposing punitive measures on North Korea" and at least as stringent in verification procedures as gold-standard treaties with Russia.

But Rachel Bovard, senior policy director for the Conservative Partnership and a former GOP foreign policy aide on Capitol Hill, said the re-engagement with North Korea already has been successful in some ways.

"The North Korea summit was the most substantial effort we've seen in decades on de-nuclearizing the region, and resulted in three Americans coming home safely," she said.

And, she said, Pyongyang's behavior suggests that the time might not be quite right for a deal.

"I'd much rather withdraw from a summit where North Korea is going to act in bad faith than press ahead simply for appearances," she said. "This is what real negotiation looks like a back and forth, starting and stopping. The failure of this summit is clearly not the end of efforts to deal with Kim Jong-un."

That's basically what Trump said Thursday, even as he mixed in some menacing words about the strength of the U.S. military.

"If and when Kim Jong-un chooses to engage in constructive dialogue and actions, I am waiting," he said. "It's possible that the existing summit could take place or a summit at some later date."

But Jake Sullivan, a former national security adviser to then-Vice President Joe Biden, said it's difficult to tell where Trump will go from here on North Korea.

"Trump is so erratic that it's hard to comment on any given zig because he might just zag tomorrow," Sullivan said. "That's amusing for a television star it's alarming for a commander in chief dealing with a nuclear crisis."



they keep talking about trump this and trump that, and yet, nobody's working together on this. NOBODY. and i thought congress was bad. i've never seen such a divided government. this snow is not only embarrassing, but it's snowING DANGEROUS. they keep talking about how it's bad for trump, but they're not even discussing how it's bad for THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

goddamn, i snowing hate media. they're just adding to EVERYTHING GOING WRONG, and i'm SICK of it.


edit: missed an unneeded picture caption. fixed.

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posted May 25, 2018 01:23 PM

I don't see the media sabotaging things with N-Korea. But the whole situation is a farce, once again. Hard to tell what happens next as usual. The warhawk Bolton most of all purposefully ruined the talks with threats of the Libya model, that man is insane.

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posted May 25, 2018 01:29 PM

Minion said:
I don't see the media sabotaging things with N-Korea.


why do you imply i said that? i never said the media was sabotaging the peace talks; i said that all those divided boneheads in the government were. the media only make things worse than they have to be, by targeting one man like morons INSTEAD of reporting the ENTIRETY of the situation AND how it effects more than just ONE MAN; and feeding into many people's hatred of one man, like morons.

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posted May 25, 2018 01:44 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 13:50, 25 May 2018.

The braindead leftist media is the reason Trump is president. They promote his name every single day, often on the front page. Any publicity is good publicity, especially when the public became numb to it after 6 months. I mean, how many people are actually "shocked" that the man bonked a porn star? The media gave it front pages anyway for like a week because theyre hyper-triggered frosted flakes. Theyre journalists. Some journalists do deep, explorative journalism but most of them are hormone-raging reactionaries. Why do you think they went to school in journalism or some similar field instead of IT or engineering or medicine or finance or law or science or history or language or teaching or law enforcement or vocational / craft / trade school? They are a different breed of human.
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posted May 25, 2018 02:48 PM

The name of the game is sensationalism, you don't find much proper journalism in mainstream media and that is how it has been for a while. Bill Clintons affair was berated on the pages for god remembers how long. Follow Washington Post or New York Times if you want journalism.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted May 25, 2018 05:35 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 17:40, 25 May 2018.

Minion said:
The name of the game is sensationalism, you don't find much proper journalism in mainstream media and that is how it has been for a while. Bill Clintons affair was berated on the pages for god remembers how long. Follow Washington Post or New York Times if you want journalism.


The Washington Post and New York Times for journalism?  That's rich.  Those outlets thrive on sensationalism as much as FOX News, Huffington Post, and MSNBC.
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