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meroe
meroe


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posted July 17, 2014 06:37 PM

Fred you are being ridiculous.  

I am not going to respond to your posts anymore.  You've been downright rude in calling me 'full of s***'.  I suggest you take your own advice and learn to discuss things with dignity.
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fred79
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posted July 17, 2014 06:38 PM

what the hell do you expect? i'm being told i'm the bad guy, when i'm for the cause. at least, for the cause of equality. feminism is looking like something else entirely.

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antipaladin
antipaladin


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posted July 17, 2014 06:40 PM

meroe said:
antipaladin said:
i cant understand what is wrong with the picture
-meore, you'd be surprised how much women these days, esspacily those born 1985+ use the mentality "men up, suck it up"
or "its okay if a woman punches a man,shes brave,but if the opposite hes a jerk"

ill give you better example: a man and woman fight in a joke,the man uses extreme reserve not to hurt the woman, the woman uses 120% of her forces,to win. not giving to any rules, if she inflicts him with physical pain and he complains he is a sissy and needs to man up, if he uses enough force to win or even hurt her by mistake he is a scumbag and it hes fault...what does needs to do?
feminism is partially wrong because like it was said here men and women are nothing like the same, brain works differently,body is different, and many many more differences.. sexism is even worse as it hurts both sexes.
what can be used is equality in a harsher method. not backing down on a woman because she is one would be best course of action IMO.


See this is the problem Anti, you take 'one' particular incident and use it as some sort of proof that all women/men do the same.

There are just as many women out there who would never dream of trying to annihilate someone in an argument like that.  Just as there are as many men out there who would have no qualms whatsoever in just smacking the women in the face immediately.

Regardless of body shapes, chemicals in the brain.  Women are by no means inferior Anti.  And we have been treated as inferior.  That is wrong, untrue and unfair.

And why would a woman be expected to back down from an argument, if she is right???  Just because?  Hell no.

I've had plenty of arguments with both male and female and I've never resorted to violence once.  Its an individual thing, not a gender thing.  If a man has to win an argument by punching his opponent - that doesn't make him right, it makes him a thug.  And if a woman does exactly the same, she too is a thug.




however this behavior is lately taking up scale, as it is induced with aggressive generation, both sexes tend to be more aggressive this generation but i guess you can say women are more aggressive this generation...
also i never said women are inferior to men, and while they have been treated that way,it is unfortunate,that does not mean its okay to "get even" by demolishing and men-hating.
also like you said "thug" is a male word,if you say a woman is a thug, you'll get : "no she had bad history,she is a strong headed woman,and yadda yadda.
if ill go ask 100 woman,regardless of age,race and area about the example i posted earlier i bet you 100$ dear moere (how do you pronounce that?) that they'll say to man up, same goes for man too. that does not means thats okay,that means our society is f****d up. bad. very bad.
also

here is another exemple.
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fred79
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posted July 17, 2014 06:44 PM

meroe said:
Fred you are being ridiculous.


when you say i am being ridiculous, do you mean in regards to me likening feminism with cult mentality? because the comparisons SHOULD be immediately obvious. feminists preach EQUALITY, and they tell ALL men that they are oppressors. you don't see the brainwashing hypocrisy in that?

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Elvin
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posted July 17, 2014 06:50 PM

fred79 said:
and i'm saying, you're full of ****

This kind of talk doesn't help anyone, let's be more polite please.
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fred79
fred79


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posted July 17, 2014 06:52 PM

i'm trying, elvin. i really am. you should read some of this stuff, it's an outrage.

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Adrius
Adrius


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posted July 17, 2014 06:54 PM
Edited by Adrius at 18:57, 17 Jul 2014.

Structures man

No need to feel sorry or like a bad guy.

Though if you feel discriminated against because of your gender I suppose sitting down and realizing others get that treatment in some way every single day of their life could be nice as well. You're not though.
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meroe
meroe


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posted July 17, 2014 06:55 PM

Anti for every one picture like you just displayed there is a male version going on about a woman's boobs and getting back to the kitchen.  I have said too many times now, two wrongs do not make a right.

Any society who believes that just because a certain section was oppressed, but are now demanding equality .... are then suddenly going to demand total power ..... are just those who do not wish to change.  That is a weak excuse.

Seriously what society where things are equal - men and women, colors, creeds, etc are then going to decide that "You know what, seeing as us whities oppressed and enslaved blacks for so long, how about we let them do it to us.  They enslave us for a couple of hundred years".  What kind of crap is that.  
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fred79
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posted July 17, 2014 07:00 PM

Adrius said:
Structures man

No need to feel sorry or like a bad guy.

Though if you feel discriminated against because of your gender I suppose sitting down and realizing others get that treatment in some way every single day of their life could be nice as well. You're not though.


oh, i gotcha. i still don't see how i'm an oppressor though. discrimination is discrimination, and it is apparent that feminists discriminate against males. which kind of makes sense regarding the terminology, but ultimately harms their cause.

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Stevie
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posted July 17, 2014 07:15 PM

I fully agree with fred in regards to feminism. I also am for equality, but no the equality preached by feminists. And I also believe that while male and female are equal in terms of their humanity, each has it's own role in society and especially in family. And this is exactly the stumbling point, imo. I am not going to debate on this because it wouldn't go anywhere. People are unable to understand each other.


I'm not trying to be rude or insensitive by saying this, but I've learned to guard myself and my health and my soul by not giving a snow. There is no reason to debate people who are unwilling to find the truth and the accept it. People just want to argue and say what they think then impose it on others.


Whatever.

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Adrius
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posted July 17, 2014 07:20 PM
Edited by Adrius at 19:34, 17 Jul 2014.

Discrimination can be used in positive ways, as with quotas to help women achieve representation in worklife and politics. Or seperatism for instance, in creating rooms specialized for women or racialized etc to speak about their issues (people get ****ing furious about this lol, LET ME IN...!!!!)

As men are in a position of power and are not structurally discriminated against, some generalizations and provocation is not uncalled for imo and it will not bring us any harm. We can take it, I think it has meaning in making us aware of our positions in society.

As for us being oppressors, it's like Meroe said, subtle. I like pointing at how while we may fight against the privileges given to us we still enjoy them, which in my opinion becomes oppressive when so many of us do it as it reproduces the same patterns.

There's a wealth of knowledge on all the other ways we oppress in our daily life out there, from taking more space in conversations to consuming objectifying media to... you know... a LOT of stuff. It's complex, the little things and the big ones all producing and reproducing the structure (cough the patriarchy cough).
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fred79
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posted July 17, 2014 07:34 PM
Edited by fred79 at 19:37, 17 Jul 2014.

don't think i don't see you trying to appeal to my masculinity, adrius.

but yeah, that post made a lot more sense than the others. i can see the logic in using somewhat aggressive, but persuasive stimulation to help change perspective, if it's for a good cause.

it's funny, all it took was a woman sitting down on a bus to take a big step forward in eliminating racism. but actions do speak louder than words, though.

Adrius said:
There's a wealth of knowledge on all the other ways we oppress in our daily life out there, from taking more space in conversations


i don't think you've been talking to the same types of females that i've been talking to...

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meroe
meroe


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posted July 17, 2014 07:39 PM

Stevie said:
I also am for equality, but no the equality preached by feminists. And I also believe that while male and female are equal in terms of their humanity, each has it's own role in society and especially in family. And this is exactly the stumbling point, imo.

Whatever.


And just what is the 'equality' preached by feminists that you know of?  You are all for equality, yet not equality preached by women?  Equality with whom Stevie? Martians? Uranus?  We have already discussed the negativity to the cause produced by a small group of radical feminists - I and most women do not agree or accept their views.  But you would just rather ignore all feminists right?  Which means you are not for equality at all.  What you are for is the equality of men within a patriarchal society - in other words, what you are used to.  No change.  

Women can stay at home with the kids, play their role in society.  Because any change to that upsets the male psyche.  You have no clue about equality if that is what you are saying.  Not an ounce.

You need to make your views a bit clearer.  And if you had any real experience regarding feminism and the battle for equality would be nice to read about.  I for one, would love to hear about the diabolical anti-male teachings you have been subjected to.

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antipaladin
antipaladin


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posted July 17, 2014 07:47 PM

LoL
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
posted July 17, 2014 07:53 PM

Adrius said:
Discrimination can be used in positive ways, as with quotas to help women achieve representation in worklife and politics.

Two wrongs do not make right. Especially when the wrong is as large as this. Assume that you place a quota on all companies above a certain size. They're suddenly required to hire 30% females to their leadership positions. Now if 30% or more of the best candidates are female that's fine.
But what if they aren't? What if that's 10%? You're effectively hindering all stakeholders. The shareholders, the employees under them, the associated companies, eventually even the customers, the everyday people, females included. So thousand women more get leadership positions they might or might not deserve, great for them. The rest two million female stakeholders suffer because of inefficient(or not as efficient) leadership. And all the males too.

If you still think that's cool then why not impose the same quota on nurses. There are not enough qualified male nurses, I can guarantee that to you. Now people start suffering literally, they might even die because of malpractice. Males and Females. Is this justified in your opinion?
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antipaladin
antipaladin


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posted July 17, 2014 08:02 PM



also, typical female saying (dont say im wrong please..)

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xerox
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posted July 17, 2014 08:03 PM
Edited by xerox at 20:05, 17 Jul 2014.

massive generalizations are so much fun, eh?

Adrius said:
Discrimination can be used in positive ways, as with quotas to help women achieve representation in worklife and politics. Or seperatism for instance, in creating rooms specialized for women or racialized etc to speak about their issues (people get ****ing furious about this lol, LET ME IN...!!!!)


I don't agree with quotas but can confirm voluntary gender separatism is great from personal experience. We have used it extensively in the political organization I'm in to help solve the problem of internal gender inequality. I was skeptical at first, but it works! It really has helped empower women to run for leadership positions, and largely thanks to it, it looks like the next executive board of the district I'm running will have an equal number of male and female members!
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Adrius
Adrius


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posted July 17, 2014 08:17 PM
Edited by Adrius at 20:49, 17 Jul 2014.

@Joonas: Ok, the argument is that quotas make people undeserving of the position in terms of competence get the job.

I agree, that certainly happens. In fact it's happening right now, with males protecting their dominance by hiring other men instead of more competent women. It's an unofficial quota, all I want is for it become balanced instead. In fact there are studies that show that using quotas to force companies to hire more women makes the company MORE competent (source, long read though... I know you read Swedish so here's a short version), as women can challenge mediocre men for their positions, as well as bringing different perspectives to the company (which always helps imo). Thus, quotas challenge male dominance and allows previously untapped talent to enter the companies.

I think quotas are best used from the top down, starting with the most powerful positions. I believe doing so sends ripples down through society as more groups get represented and the issues which they face get challenged. Hopefully it won't even be needed after a while.

As for nurses, I think it's naive to think a society wouldn't have workarounds to achieve gender equality there that wouldn't involve people dying. Deconstruction of gender roles for example I believe would also make men more likely to pursue supportive careers such as becoming a nurse.

I don't think quotas neccessarily belong absolutely everywhere though.

@Xerox:

@Anti: Just stop embarrassing yourself.
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fred79
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posted July 17, 2014 08:55 PM

the problem, adrius, is pushing the feminist agenda by using manipulation. many men are going to fight against the idea, and it might ultimately be counter-productive to a cause. rosa parks merely sat down on a bus. surely, feminists can find something similarly simple, less underhanded, and non-aggressive, to promote equality. things would roll along much faster that way, imo.

just because i can get the reasoning behind the manipulation(through promoting that all men are oppressors), does not mean that many others will, or won't rail against it.

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antipaladin
antipaladin


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posted July 17, 2014 09:11 PM

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@Anti: Just stop embarrassing yourself.

how exactly am i just embarrassing myself?!
you guys walk in my thread, go completely off topic,discussing,and bashing each other,and im embarrassing myself?!
You and you and you and each one and one of you embarrass yourselves by using the F word,by arguing on the internet,and even calling it quits..
this is about expressing an opinion regarding something.
if you don't like it and you mentioned it once its enough,by continuing you just make yourself look like a jerk, and one who does not keeps hes mouth closed when it needs to be.
so please unplug your computer and go somewhere...because i don't think you'd want me to continue and frankly neither do I.
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