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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted August 12, 2014 12:22 PM |
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Elvin said:
Meh, I'm sure they could have fixed that somehow. The game can determine the positions after the atb change, why wouldn't it be able to do so before you use the ability?
Wasn't one of the issues also that the ATB started with a random stack and went from there? That made it very unpredictable and at times very unlucky.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 12, 2014 12:42 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Bottom line: when you cannot plan, because there is no easy way to get informations about the effects of the actions you consider, things suck.
But that's exactly what a second iteration of ATB bar could fix - the flaws H5 showed.
I don't expect Ubi to push it again in H7, but I really hope they don't discard it for the future of the series.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 12, 2014 01:25 PM |
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No thank you!
If I see another Hellsteed with high luck and morale ravaging my army, without me making even a single move, I will resign from buying another Ubisoft Heroes game ever again...
I know that AI needs some tricks to give a player any challenge, but things that AI did with the Inferno faction were simply over-the-top. It even beats Necromancers from Heroes III!
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 12, 2014 01:26 PM |
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted August 12, 2014 01:27 PM |
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August 16!?
Oh for frags sake!
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted August 12, 2014 01:32 PM |
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Edited by Avonu at 13:34, 12 Aug 2014.
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Twitch stream at that day. Nothing about "official" annoucement that supposed to be tomorrow.
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"When someone desires information, they come to me."
"Details are everything."
Pipiru piru piru pipiru pi!
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 12, 2014 01:58 PM |
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source for the lazy
I imagine they'll anounce game tomorrow, and show it on twitch the 16th.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted August 12, 2014 02:10 PM |
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Avonu said:
Twitch stream at that day. Nothing about "official" annoucement that supposed to be tomorrow.
I'd hate to be the one to say it, but it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
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Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 12, 2014 02:57 PM |
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War-overlord said:
I'd hate to be the one to say it, but it's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
War-overlord said:
Whoa, people let's not jump to any conclusions here. Just because Limbic is hiring, this does not, in any way mean that they're working on Heroes7.
All it means is that they are working.
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Kivo
Famous Hero
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posted August 12, 2014 03:15 PM |
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Edited by Kivo at 15:16, 12 Aug 2014.
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Cannot wait to play with 5 factions and later be offered exciting DLCs with extra campaigns and re-coloured creatures. 
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 12, 2014 03:21 PM |
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Game hasn't been officially announced, we know nothing but the setting and (some) people are already snowing.
*sigh* 
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somi
Known Hero
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posted August 12, 2014 03:22 PM |
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Elvin said:
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Another question for you  . For you personally, are heroes 7 going in good direction (not asking what direction they are going because you probably can't talk about it)?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 12, 2014 03:27 PM |
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I can't say much about the direction of a game that has not even been announced
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Kivo
Famous Hero
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posted August 12, 2014 03:56 PM |
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Edited by Kivo at 15:56, 12 Aug 2014.
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Storm-Giant said:
Game hasn't been officially announced, we know nothing but the setting and (some) people are already snowing.
*sigh*
I will be glad to be pleasantly surprised yet I rather be closed minded at this time. Sorry not sorry. 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted August 12, 2014 03:58 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Yet, you had no good way to determine the effect of initiative changing "abilities".
This is right on the border line between a flowing RT battle and and a TB thing where you can plan "moves".
Bottom line: when you cannot plan, because there is no easy way to get informations about the effects of the actions you consider, things suck.
That would be an easy fix. Hovering the mouse over a creature after selecting, say, the Haste spell, could show the new position on the ATB bar of the creature if the spell was cast, for instance - that would be an fairly easy UI change to code for someone with just moderately programming skill.
Maurice said:
Wasn't one of the issues also that the ATB started with a random stack and went from there? That made it very unpredictable and at times very unlucky.
The battle didn't start with a random creature, but each stack started with a random ATB value between 0 and 0.25 (iirc, or maybe it was only the attacker who got this bonus? I don't recall the exact details, but those are less relevant). What this ment was that you couldn't know which creature would go first at start of combat - however, once combat was started, creature had their position on the ATB bar, and this would no longer have any significance for the issue that JJ adresses.
One could discuss whether the exact choice of value was good (might have been too high max bonus, making it too random), but I don't object to a certain randomness as to which creature goes first as this means there's always a slight risk involved in engaging in combat.
It is also true that the initiative had to much impact in the sense that an Int 20 creature would act 2.5 times as often as an Int 8 creature, but that could be adjusted by shifting all values by a fixed amount - for instance, if all values have added +20, the fast creature (Int 40) will now only act 1.4 times as often as the slow creature (Int 28).
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What will happen now?
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OmegaDestroyer
Hero of Order
Fox or Chicken?
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posted August 12, 2014 04:00 PM |
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Hmmm... It should be interesting to see what shape a 7th game takes.
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The giant has awakened
You drink my blood and drown
Wrath and raving I will not stop
You'll never take me down
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 12, 2014 04:03 PM |
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Well, Heroes 7 is on the news
Tomorrow is the big day!
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted August 12, 2014 04:14 PM |
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Excuse me, Storm, do you know for sure that the game will be announced tomorrow ?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted August 12, 2014 04:17 PM |
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adriancat said:
Excuse me, Storm, do you know for sure that the game will be announced tomorrow ?
100% no, but that's why I wrote 'is likely to take place tomorrow'
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted August 12, 2014 04:19 PM |
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I assume that if you wrote "it's expected" you know something more than me and most of the fans do
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