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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted March 24, 2015 12:24 AM

Galaad said:
As a long time fan of the franchise I care about Heroes of Might and Magic and I believe I have a right to criticize what I find to be dubious. If you want to argue with me, I would appreciate it if you could come up with counter arguments like some other people already did, because I believe this is how a civilized discussion can evolve. Thank you.


There is nothing to argue about. We are talking about preferences and as it happens you are incapable to like anything that is made by UBI or in Ashan universe. There is nothing valuable in your comments since you are as far as someone can be from being objective.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted March 24, 2015 12:30 AM
Edited by Galaad at 00:32, 24 Mar 2015.

dark-whisperer said:
There is nothing to argue about. We are talking about preferences and as it happens you are incapable to like anything that is made by UBI or in Ashan universe. There is nothing valuable in your comments since you are as far as someone can be from being objective.

For the 1000 time: Heroes V is the game with the game mechanics I found to be very good, even better than Heroes III regarding some elements such as the skillwheel. Heroes V was made by whom? Right, Ubisoft.
As a big fan of Wizard/Tower, I never had a problem with Academy.
While I loathed HVI Haven I have no problem with HVII Haven.

I can go on, but what is really senseless to argue about, IMO, is about what you like. Criticism is what can makes things go further, not praising down your knees.

Some of the most fruitful debates I had on this thread were with Sandro400, and guess what, he defends Ashan.

Finally, this is a forum where fans exchange their opinions, if you expect for each and every post to be 100% objective, you should seriously reconsider your POV, IMO.
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Sligneris
Sligneris


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posted March 24, 2015 12:47 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 00:50, 24 Mar 2015.

Personally, I'm lookimg forward towards these remakes of Liches and Vampires - although I am disappointed they didn’t redesign Lamasu as well... As things stand, it's going to be one of the ugliest units, if not the ugliest... particularly a shame, as their artwork looks quite well.

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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted March 24, 2015 12:48 AM

dark-whisperer said:
Meh, since you showed that there is nothing that you can appreciate if its made by UBI or in Ashan universe I don't think your opinion is relevant at all.


dark-whisperer said:
There is nothing to argue about. We are talking about preferences and as it happens you are incapable to like anything that is made by UBI or in Ashan universe. There is nothing valuable in your comments since you are as far as someone can be from being objective.


if I may be so bold to say practice what you preach, you don't exactly sound particularly objective here yourself lol
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Minion
Minion


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posted March 24, 2015 12:57 AM

Seeing nods to old heroes as extremely violent and disrespectful acts is a bit much though.
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dark-whisperer
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Darkness feels no mercy
posted March 24, 2015 12:57 AM
Edited by dark-whisperer at 01:00, 24 Mar 2015.

Galaad said:
...Criticism is what can makes things go further, not praising down your knees.

Some of the most fruitful debates I had on this thread were with Sandro400, and guess what, he defends Ashan...


Yes, well thought criticism can make things go further. Asking for full priced 2015 game to revert to 2D graphic or Verriker brilliant idea is not.
What is so fruitful about those debates on online forum? What are the fruits of your debate?

verriker said:
if I may be so bold to say practice what you preach, you don't exactly sound particularly objective here yourself lol

Telling you or Galaad that you are as biased as it gets is pretty objective considering your posts on this forum.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted March 24, 2015 01:20 AM

Let me try to explain, one more time.

Previous universe is different from new universe, both lore-wise and visually speaking (don't see how I can get more objective here btw).

This alone is enough to create flame wars within the community. You see, how can you expect people used to the previous era not to rage when they see what has been forced down their throats. Yes, there is a preference war, but what triggered it is of an objective matter. If anything, it takes a little subtlety, respect, and intuition not to make one go insane. Say, you like a car, it is exactly how you like it to be, with a shape and design which fits to your taste, and you enjoy being inside it even before you discover how well it drives. Suddenly, this car is being bought by someone else, who will makes drastic changes to it, and you find it awful. Would you be happy? Of course not.
Then, they will try to make it resemble a bit the way you used to like it, because you still give them money and they don’t want to loose you, but it has to fit current design, so you will obviously see it as a poor attempt, moreover you might even see it (as me) as a disfiguration of what you consider to be sacred and untouchable (pardon me). To some extent, I see it like the third Ninja Turtles film: not only they made die Shredder –the supposedly most fearsome enemy in the series- in the second episode, but also made him come back to life further on and make him do work of public interest!! (Hopefully I didn’t watch that). Or what about Dragon ball GT? Vegeta gets a mustache and needs a machine to transform, or Trunks became a total pussy? In my opinion, this is insulting. Call me extreme, same applies to me with current portraits. But really, the portraits is not the big deal here, is a mere consequence, one more thing that is not done right, according to some previous standards which are slowly being replaced by other ones. Whether you like them or not is subjective, but defining and understanding why you like them or not isn’t.

Game mechanics changed drastically in Heroes IV and VI, the two most criticized iterations of the franchise.

But wait, Heroes VI sold well, some people liked this gameplay, some say it’s awesome at the official blog!!

Flame war incoming, again.

This time, the car does not respond the way it used to, not only you dislike its design, but you also don’t like how it drives. Oh boy, this is frustrating. You dislike BOTH the design and how it works. Then you have a few options:

Option a) Deal with it.
Option b) Leave it.
Option c) Expressing yourself about it.

No need to tell you which option I chose.
Hopefully, I was not alone choosing option C in the case of HVI, and without the bashing on that last game, who knows what could have happened next? Real-time adventure map maybe? Scary thought isn’t it ...

Anyway, again and again, why complain about people complaining. You are happy with what is proposed to you? Be happy and let those who aren't express themselves, at least they can keep the illusion they are being heard.
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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


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posted March 24, 2015 01:25 AM

Am i the only one who actually hopes for a purple medusa? It would actually look pretty cool.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted March 24, 2015 01:26 AM

GenyaArikado said:
Am i the only one who actually hopes for a purple medusa? It would actually look pretty cool.


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The_Green_drag
The_Green_drag


Supreme Hero
posted March 24, 2015 01:32 AM

I like them bringing back old heroes. I hope to see solymr in academy, ivor in sylvan, and yog in stronghold

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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted March 24, 2015 01:37 AM
Edited by verriker at 01:43, 24 Mar 2015.

dark-whisperer said:
Telling you or Galaad that you are as biased as it gets is pretty objective considering your posts on this forum.


but I have every right to express the exact same opinion of you, it's just such an empty, meaningless comment to make and has no purpose
obviously you are going to disagree with dissent against Erwin's Spider Cult, it goes without saying, I mean your avatar is the Ubisoft MM logo lol

instead of dragging us down to a low level with petty ad hominem arguments like "your opinion is irrelevant" or "there is no value in your comments", which again say more about their user's own mentality and capacity for debate than anyone else's, why not address the arguments made or express something worth people's time? the worst thing that can happen is we agree to disagree, scary thought for some I guess lol

edit just to add, I also enjoyed Heroes 5's gameplay and praised it not two or three pages ago (and condemned Heroes 4's), so let's be honest here, me criticising the story of Heroes 5 and everything in Heroes 6 isn't so much about bias as it is about those things just being plain old crap lol
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Sligneris
Sligneris


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posted March 24, 2015 01:50 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 02:50, 24 Mar 2015.

The_Green_drag said:
I like them bringing back old heroes. I hope to see solymr in academy, ivor in sylvan, and yog in stronghold

While I don't care much about the last two characters you mentioned, Solmyr is already confirmed to have his Ashan counterpart - it might be quite interesting to see such a djinn in Ashan universe.

That being said, in case they do keep making prequels, I'd like Heroes VIII to focus on Cyrus gathering allies, and planning to destroy Sandro. Seeing the 'final phase' of Sandro's centuries-old plan... and its failure at mage's hand. That would be quite amazing to see. Not to mention, a perfect timing for a Void-centered Necropolis.

Perhaps in the ending, we could see Markal's reaction to Sandro's death and his oath of vengeance, nicely rounding it up to Heroes V, similarly like they did with Raelag? Hell, playing as younger Markal in the evil Necropolis campaign, either as Sandro's apprentice or having yet to become one would quite cool as well.

This game could become kinda like CoH in terms of using younger versions of characters and have Alexei in it as well. It's said that knights were under Emperor Oleg's command, but who's to say that young, brave prince couldn't have led them to battle?

Oh... if any of devs is reading that, I hold no right over these ideas.

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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


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posted March 24, 2015 02:07 AM



they will probably look like the H3 version if the "inspiration" piece is to be believed tho.

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


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Darkness feels no mercy
posted March 24, 2015 02:08 AM
Edited by dark-whisperer at 02:17, 24 Mar 2015.

verriker said:
... I mean your avatar is the Ubisoft MM logo lol

instead of dragging us down to a low level with petty ad hominem arguments like "your opinion is irrelevant" or "there is no value in your comments", which again say more about their user's own mentality and capacity for debate than anyone else's, why not address the arguments made or express something worth people's time? the worst thing that can happen is we agree to disagree, scary thought for some I guess lol

edit just to add, I also enjoyed Heroes 5's gameplay and praised it not two or three pages ago (and condemned Heroes 4's), so let's be honest here, me criticising the story of Heroes 5 and everything in Heroes 6 isn't so much about bias as it is about those things just being plain old crap lol


And your avatar is Erwan himself so should I draw any conclusion from that?

Ill say again, there is nothing to debate about. You don't like UBI and Ashan and there is nothing that anyone can do about it. What is the purpose of "debate" when there is no chance on agreeing on anything. We are already going in circles for ages and no one will ever move an inch. There is no fruit in that kind of debate and no value in it. We will never agree on anything and that is end of any of our debates.
I have no problem with your criticizing the story or Ahan lore, but I have a problem with constant crusade against everything that comes from UBI with blind hate. Sure, you can point to few posts where you said something mildly positive about some features of UBI Heroes but for each of those post I can show hundreds with completely opposite tone.
If you can come on the forum and say this I can say that, based on that statement, your intentions are not to improve current state of the game, but to disapprove anything that UBI does. Thats why your posts have no real value to me.

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verriker
verriker


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We don't need another 'eroes
posted March 24, 2015 02:43 AM bonus applied by Elvin on 24 Mar 2015.

dark-whisperer said:
And your avatar is Erwan himself so should I draw any conclusion from that?


actually my avatar is Erwin goofily smiling with pure unadulterated happiness, which represents my peaceful and diplomatic vision for the future: a world where Verriker and Erwin alike can goofily smile in harmony when they think of Might and Magic lol

perhaps unlike yourself, I'm not exactly smiling right now after having to endure years of Queen Isabel tier storytelling, broken AI, countless bugs, dull design, plagiarised art and unintuitive map editors, but contrary to what you say I am not on a crusade of blind hate, I have some actual reasons and critical thought behind what I say and I still try to hope for the best lol

and by the way, you linked that post again, what is your objection with me saying I wish NWC continued the series on Kickstarter if Ubisoft hadn't bought it? do you not have any respect for NWC? let me remind you loud and clear, if they hadn't created this series and made such a great success out of it in the first place, there wouldn't even be a Hello Heroes world of Ashan® to even defend lol
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Sligneris
Sligneris


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posted March 24, 2015 02:53 AM
Edited by Sligneris at 03:03, 24 Mar 2015.

Heroes V had good lore and plot, but terrible script. I'd honestly like it redone, improved a bit...

You know what Heroes 7 really needs? A destroyed bridge that somehow keeps Haven armies away despite owning Griffins and other flying units - with C1M4 of Heroes V and C2M1 of Shades of Darkness, by now it's kind of a tradition.

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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


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posted March 24, 2015 03:22 AM - penalty applied by alcibiades on 24 Mar 2015.
Edited by alcibiades at 18:55, 24 Mar 2015.

Moderator's comment: This post oversteps the rules on so many levels, and it's not like you haven't been warned.

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MattII
MattII


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posted March 24, 2015 03:38 AM

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I kind of agree here, we can't both ask them to bring back the old games and then at the same time trash them for bringing old game elements into the new environment.
But we don't want the new environment. Sure some of the new mechanics are good, but many aren't, and the setting's pretty awful, and they can't really write a story for cr*p.

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Hotarubi
Hotarubi


Known Hero
posted March 24, 2015 04:21 AM

So much drama here. Yeesh.

I, for one, will judge this game on its own merit. I think it is easier to enjoy the series if done this way. I found each instalment to have their own charms. Played the games in order and ToTE is still my fave.

I cannot wait for the Stronghold reveal. Does that mean we will also get units revealed too, or will it just be the general lore and factional information?

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Dave_Jame
Dave_Jame


Promising
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
posted March 24, 2015 04:33 AM
Edited by Dave_Jame at 04:45, 24 Mar 2015.

How I feel about this forum lately.



well not exactly since people don't quote wikipedia here, and if they do, the quote the M&M wiki, which I must say is getting a lot better (respect to those who work on it)

But now for real. Some people here really need to calm downn. In tone and in generall appraach (And yes this comes from me, befor Verriker or LizardWarrior can quote something out of context with a LoL at the end).

Ubi/nival never put old heroes in their game, they put a cameo here and there about some of the more popular ones, but that was all. But based on these cameos people started to want them. Those who were mentioned and many more. We still want them. This fact is not a game breaker, it is not an insult or a "thank us you sheep" approache, it is a nice touche, a simple gesture to those "old fans", take or leave it.

You can dislike the generic armor and stile or the lack of a background, dislike the art, but why do you dislike something MOST OF US have asked for.

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