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Pim18
Known Hero
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posted April 10, 2016 02:47 PM |
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Pretty much yeah, There are people who spent a 100 bucks for a broken game and some mediocre merchandising. If I would pay 100 bucks for something then I better expect the game to at the very least work.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted April 10, 2016 03:00 PM |
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It works just fine on both of my computers and on laptop, as well on any computers my friends installed it on.
If you mean online multiplayer then I agree.
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olorin
Adventuring Hero
tophatchild.blogspot.com
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posted April 10, 2016 03:55 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
It works just fine on both of my computers and on laptop
Congrats 
Nah, perhaps in a decade some Quantomas would arrange things and turn Heroes VII into a good thing. In the meantime do yourself a favor and let's play Heroes 5.5, Heroes III HotA and Heroes III The Succession Wars.
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted April 10, 2016 03:58 PM |
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I remember people defending Heroes 6 with arguments: it is working on my computer, despite the fact that there were a lot of people who couldn't run the game (myself included). I also remember writing to Ubi and receiving a reply that they do not support laptops 
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 10, 2016 04:03 PM |
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How much time did it need to make a good and working game from H5?
In my opinion H7 has plenty of good things to reach this as well if it has a chance. If you think about H5.5, how many years after game release does it come?
It is not about the belief in Ubi. I do not say it will happen. I just say it can and I will rather hope for positive future.
I am not sure if you realise that but with your negative comments, you're rather undermining the game and its future, as well as the future of whole franchise.
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted April 10, 2016 04:12 PM |
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Antalyan said:
How much time did it need to make a good and working game from H5?
I remember that. And in the end, fans had to continue improving heroes 5. The problem is, they are doing it for the third time (releasing the broken game).
Antalyan said:
In my opinion H7 has plenty of good things to reach this as well if it has a chance.
Then, talk about them
Antalyan said:
I am not sure if you realise that but with your negative comments, you're rather undermining the game and its future, as well as the future of whole franchise.
So, by your logic, if something is bad, we should keep quiet, as it will undermine it's future? The only thing that undermines the game's future is the way Ubi and devs handle the games they create and release (I'm talking about H5, H6 and H7). Negative comments are to be expected if the game they release is bad
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted April 10, 2016 04:21 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
but dark whisperer says the truth. anyone who dares to praise a single aspect is shut down.
Positive attitudes towards the game aren't cut down by condescending ad hominems, for the most part though. I've actually cleaned up frostymuaddib's topic of some of it, to allow the topic to grow in a positive way rather than to get poisoned by negativity (which, ironically, was started by dark-whisperer). They've been countered by arguments and proof of the games' shortcomings on both a technical level (crashes, etc...) as well as functional (skill system, etc ...).
A pile of snow with a beautiful flag planted into it is still a pile of snow, no matter the flag on top of it  .
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 10, 2016 04:24 PM |
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@frosty
I am very dissatisfied with the Ubi politics and their way of releasing games the same as you are.
But no matter how terrible and annoying this behaviour is, the game can be finally pretty enjoyable. After many months and patches, sure.
And I am more interested in their final product than in the development process.
So these comments about the game itself might be in many regards right and justified, as well as annoying and discouraging from continue supporting this game.
If you dislike something so much, I consider to be more logical to keep silent and let people who like it do it OR look for ways to improve it. I mean, if I hate some singer, how his songs changed, instead of writing him many negative comments and claiming how bad he is, I will rather find a different one I like because there might be some people who still like the previous one. If I am too rude at him, he might stop singing at all. The result? I will reach nothing as I am no longer interested in him and the people who loved him will be angry.
Maybe this is not the best example but I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 10, 2016 04:26 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
Antalyan said:
In my opinion H7 has plenty of good things to reach this as well if it has a chance.
Then, talk about them
Here you are: My H7 opinion and feedback
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted April 10, 2016 04:33 PM |
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Antalyan said:
@frosty
I am very dissatisfied with the Ubi politics and their way of releasing games the same as you are.
But no matter how terrible and annoying this behaviour is, the game can be finally pretty enjoyable. After many months and patches, sure.
If you can enjoy it, then I'm happy for you I'm not forbidding you to enjoy the game.
Antalyan said:
And I am more interested in their final product than in the development process.
What is final product? To me it is the release version of the game. Sure, there are going to be patches, but they shouldn't be there to deliver the final product. You payed how much for the game, that was basically released in early beta state./
Antalyan said:
If you dislike something so much, I consider to be more logical to keep silent and let people who like it do it OR look for ways to improve it. I mean, if I hate some singer, how his songs changed, instead of writing him many negative comments and claiming how bad he is, I will rather find a different one I like because there might be some people who still like the previous one. If I am too rude at him, he might stop singing at all. The result? I will reach nothing as I am no longer interested in him and the people who loved him will be angry.
I admit that I'm not the most constructive member of this community But, there are plenty of members who were constructive, and still dislike the game. They ended up being ignored. And if you enjoy the game so much, explain to me how my dislike of it will make you play it less, or love it less? And I must repeat: I'm not forbidding you or anyone else to play the game and enjoy it. I'm also not forbidding you to discuss about it, to show us what is good, or just to exchange thoughts about it with people who have similar thoughts about H7 as you. On the other hand, I will not stop saying that H7 is bad, as I believe I have every right to do so. I own every Heroes game (including all of the Chronicles) that came out except H7. I feel very cheated when it comes to H6, and seeing that Ubi is repeating the same mistake, makes me a little bit angry.
Antalyan said:
Here you are: My H7 opinion and feedback
Cool. So you can express your opinion, without anything bad happening to you.
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted April 10, 2016 04:43 PM |
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dark-whisperer said:
@Sleeping_Sun
Inviting anyone who has to say anything positive about HVII to write here is like inviting someone on his own stoning.
I think that no one should invite anyone to say something whether positive or negative about the game. That is the flaw in your thinking. One should express his/her opinion only. Yes, the negative comments are prevalent here, but that shouldn't stop anyone from posting positive comments. Negative comments towards the game shouldn't be understood as personal attacks. I still think that you guys who have positive opinion of the game haven't done enough. Different opinion will most likely result in a clash of the two or more sides, but no one can do anything about it. It seems to me you all took the easy way out. No one has posted some discussions on the maps, or certain builds, or the most useful skills, etc.
As I said, it is quite ironic that people who hate the game have posted a lot more ideas and discussions on what could, and how should something be improved.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 10, 2016 04:44 PM |
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frostymuaddib said:
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I was not targeting you especially and I know there are some very constructive members and plenty of feedback. But I wonder how can people who often do not own the game or played only betas know what are the game's problems?
The final product is the game with ended patch-support. As long as the patches might still come, all the statements about the game being bad mean almost nothing for the decision if the game will be at the end of development good or bad.
I see terrible to see that many people do not want to see what happens to the game after patches, do not want to see the improvements.
As long as the game development is over, THEN it is the right time for non-constructive critics as you can now it is final.
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Important H7 tips & tricks
H7 Community Patch (UCP)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 10, 2016 04:46 PM |
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Antalyan said:
How much time did it need to make a good and working game from H5?
In my opinion H7 has plenty of good things to reach this as well if it has a chance. If you think about H5.5, how many years after game release does it come?
For the record, H5 became actually playable around patch 1.4-1.5. Including resource requirement fixes, campaign issues(mostly) and general amount of bugs. Limbic has already passed that point, with less factions on their plate and plenty of lost customers that won't be coming back.
H5.5 is irrelevant as it is a fan project. Those typically happen whenever their creator decides to go for it, it could have come a few years earlier or later. For the sake of argument you should stick to ubi releases, by the people who are actually getting paid to make them happen.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 10, 2016 04:48 PM |
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Antalyan said:
As long as the game development is over, THEN it is the right time for non-constructive critics as you can now it is final.
That won't matter because the game will be dead then. And the purchase money long gone.
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H5 is still alive and kicking, join us in the Duel Map discord server!
Map also hosted on Moddb
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Pim18
Known Hero
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posted April 10, 2016 05:23 PM |
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Quote:
And the purchase money long gone.
Pretty much this. If I were to buy every game I would think was good and not criticize it until it was 100% patched out I would be bankrupt and very unsatisfied.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 10, 2016 05:25 PM |
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cori14
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 10, 2016 05:27 PM |
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LucPatenaude
Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
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posted April 10, 2016 06:29 PM |
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Here is the part that you missed about in my previous post a couple of pages back.
to returning to a more...
...RPG sense of the old but, very popular genre of Might and Magic gaming.
Unfortunately, this time around the approach of the dying off type of Heroes series must become an Hybrid type of game.
What I mean by Hybrid is: Your starting Hero is simply a representation of yourself the player that must earn your way to a very high level of a reputation as being extremely heroic and, that both the arts of Might and Magic use on a battlefield is so well known onto the map that you are currently playing, that you get the right to enlist or recruit any type of level 1 to 3 types of creatures of your type of faction that you chose at the very start of the game.
BTW: If it was not by Maurice's mistake at misreading that post, I think that most of you would have agreed to the new and improved of a 21st century based gaming's approach. Maurice did, in fact, get most of my post meaning. Now, let's include the next post that I wrote onto the next page of this very long discussions forum thread. That will involve a complete re-composition on how we, all, perceive, the world in the medieval era minus the science continuity that brings this world to a more modern era status.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted April 10, 2016 06:29 PM |
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Antalyan said:
Going around one problem again and again: Ubi and their politics of releasing unfinished games.
Capcom, street fighter 5 aaa+ title. All companies are the worst these days.
Aaah i reminisce the old days when we'd get a full game with no bugs due to old systems and less glitches (8-bit is the best!!!
Wish i could turn back time and feel like the world isn't going to sh*t! A game i used to play reminds me of good times when i was a kid! What? Nostalgia? No it's a fact noobs!mouhahahahha
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted April 10, 2016 06:43 PM |
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Sleeping_Sun said:
Why aren't you vocal about your opinion, even though you are minority here? (Dies is an exception here ) If you want to have any positive opinion regarding the game here, you have to write it yourself.
Let it be no surprise that I have certain interests when it comes to the Heroes games, and there is no reason why I shouldn't voice them. I mean, would I really be better off if I pretended something completely different? Besides, being the minority makes it 'funnier' to poke around a little, with or without a well-placed H6 screenshot , waking up everyone and stirring the peace. Yes, that can be considered annoying and to a certain degree I agree with that. Both parties can be a nuisance at times. I will not mention names, but when the two sides clash it sometimes comes to words or behaviour I can't hope to agree with, no matter what side this or that person is on.
As for H7, you will have noticed by now that I am painfully silent  . When the game was not yet released, and the SC not yet killed off, there was room to talk and discuss and share ideas or opinions. We based our opinions on articles, information, screenshots and the like, and bringing with it our experience with past Heroes games. Now we are at an advanced stage where I don't belong anymore, for the simple reason that my only H7 playing experience is the Beta, and only briefly at that. To be able to form a sound opinion on the game I need to play it as it is now, which I can't due to PC requirements. So if I want to say something about how this or that should be, how could I if I don't know what the hell I'm talking about? Yes, I can view threads and ideas by others who know the game better than I do, but I feel like there is little for me to contribute. I want to see it for myself first . That was considerably easier when there was nothing to see yet. During the days of the SC I saw no reason to not like H7, and although I have come to agree with people on Ubi's lack of dedication here, I don't think H7 will prove a disaster to myself personally. If one can enjoy H6, that is no real achievement anyway .
So I am forced into going back to the one game I can reach with ease, but alas that thread isn't exactly taking off...and I don't feel like double posting since it affects post count in a negative way. So do me a favor and respond to that thread, I have a new session to share .
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
