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3lion
Known Hero
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posted January 18, 2016 02:45 PM |
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Edited by 3lion at 14:46, 18 Jan 2016.
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verriker said:
would you say it's as good as Quantomas AI for Heroes 5 yet
I can't say that Quantomas's AI is good. Q's AI simply ignores you even if you steal his town. He will roam around for a week and die. I can't remember a single game, where Q's AI attacks me first.
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gomaki
Shaper of Lore
Community Manager, Limbic Ent.
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posted January 18, 2016 02:54 PM |
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natalka said:
I imagine now academy becomes even more hopeless. When every possible neutral has the upper hand in the initiative and can wait now - it will be hard as hell. Same for dungeon...
Haven won`t have such problems because they have good technique with the legeionnaires.
I am testing primarily with Academy actually and it's fine, however this goes hand in hand with some other changes. I just play a little less aggressive and build some meta magic stacks. And ping them down with ranged units.
Dungeon certainly doesn't have an issue.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted January 18, 2016 03:02 PM |
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3lion said:
I can't say that Quantomas's AI is good. Q's AI simply ignores you even if you steal his town. He will roam around for a week and die. I can't remember a single game, where Q's AI attacks me first.
makes sense then, lol
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted January 18, 2016 03:04 PM |
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should I send you my map to test it out? Beware not to suicide on the first wood.ore mine like the AI does 
I think you should try to fight 100+ cores arround mid week 1.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 18, 2016 03:55 PM |
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If the addition of wait command breaks your map then either the game is not balanced or your map isn't
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 18, 2016 04:05 PM |
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 18, 2016 04:05 PM |
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My guess is BOTH.
Let's not even start about asymmetric faction balance here.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted January 18, 2016 04:33 PM |
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gomaki said:
Hey all.
We have recently made some AI changes and are currently putting it through the tread mill.
Some of these include.
Improved money management. It would basically buy too many heroes too soon (this was kinda intended because the AI can't plan ahead moves optimally like a human so you would need more to do everything better) However the knock on effect to this was that it simply didn't have enough money to fully replenish its troops by say..week 2ish so it would create a weird reverse snowball effect where it got weaker due to creeping. This is fixed now.
We re 'valued' some resources.
We have altered some of the tech tree building paths to be more in your face with it's building of units.
We increased the aggressiveness to attack a player.
For combat AI now uses all of it's creature abilities (this was actually more of a logic bug rather than not having the feature at all, works now)
AI now uses the wait command, which actually changes combat in quite a big way.
We changed up it's targeting priority so it's less exploitable (making little multi stacks on 1 troop the AI would try to kill it when really it's not that much of a threat)
Apart from that Oak is tightening up everything but those are some 'bigger' changes that I know are effecting a lot that we have right now in the current test build.
Hi gomaki, nice to see you here again.
AI is a very important game feature so it is good you are working on it a lot.
However I still think the AI should be able to cheat in some way, especially on high and heroic difficulty. Otherwise I am worried it will not be challenging for human player.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted January 18, 2016 04:36 PM |
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Elvin said:
If the addition of wait command breaks your map then either the game is not balanced or your map isn't
And besides that, it should be relatively easy to rebalance the map then?
As a general rule of thumb: any changes that get patched in are a potential nightmare for a mapmaker, because the change may break something in a specific map.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted January 18, 2016 04:46 PM |
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Edited by natalka at 16:51, 18 Jan 2016.
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I guess the game is not balanced - gnolls or necropolis are much more effective than others.
@ Elvin
Map was balanced for current gameplay. If 4/6 factions can't handle it I would gladly lower down the guards by 20-30%. Problem is if game becomes even easier for the other 2 factions.
@Maurice
Ye it would be possible easily by lowering down the guards for which we are prepared and thanks to h7 editor. There are areas with equal strength guards and we have assigned archetypes with type and strength of guards. So changing one value changes strength of 5 groups on the map.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted January 19, 2016 02:54 PM |
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just a sincere idea to share, I know it won't happen,
but I think if you guys insist on flogging the dead horse, what I would do is release some kind of apology edition of the game for free and build back up some goodwill
the way patching is being messaged, I almost feel you guys are genuinely convinced the patching is enough or even doing players a favour,
but don't forget that even if big changes happen, all you're actually doing is dragging the game up to release quality level, i.e. handing in your homework months too late, it's still gonna be an F, you're not doing an extra credit assignment for an A grade or some crap lol
like say, what about a free DLC or even free expansion to every customer who was screwed over by preordering the game and basically gave €50 to beta test (that's what Stardock did when their game horribly failed out of the gate, they also brought in a great designer too though), that kind of gesture might go a long way lol
and nah, Tales of Axeoth doesn't count because that was already going out for free before the fiasco (and the writing isn't Ubilimb's work anyway lol)
what do you say, couldn't make things worse right lol
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted January 19, 2016 07:08 PM |
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They gave away H3HD as a preorder bonus do you want Ubisoft to go bankrupt 
AND WHERE IS HEROES 4 REMASTER?
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celiton
Hired Hero
Thinking before doing
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posted January 19, 2016 07:18 PM |
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Datapack said:
They gave away H3HD as a preorder bonus do you want Ubisoft to go bankrupt
AND WHERE IS HEROES 4 REMASTER?
Do not even think about H4 remaster, I can not imagine them to desecrate another thing about Heroes that I loved....
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted January 19, 2016 07:18 PM |
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Datapack said:
They gave away H3HD as a preorder bonus do you want Ubisoft to go bankrupt
AND WHERE IS HEROES 4 REMASTER?
well I was kind of thinking more something interesting and fun to play would be an appropriate reward, not a lame frustrating abomination lol
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted January 19, 2016 07:22 PM |
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When will they release H8?
*SHUSH!*
My apologies. My other small innocent personality took over for a second. Just to make snowty questions.
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted January 19, 2016 07:23 PM |
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PandaTar said:
When will they release H7.
Here, fixed that for you 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted January 19, 2016 10:07 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:10, 19 Jan 2016.
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Datapack said:
AND WHERE IS HEROES 4 REMASTER?
No where and most likely never happening, unfortunately.
@Verriker
How about they meet you half way and give away another character figurine from a campaign you do not care about? 
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StevenAus
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 20, 2016 12:01 PM |
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Quantomas, are you checking up on this thread? I'd like to hear how you are going.
Also, how do you stop receiving email update notifications for a thread? I accidentally didn't uncheck the box and I don't want to get continuous update notifications for this particular thread. There is no link to click on in the email, and I have not found any in the membership profile options.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted January 20, 2016 02:51 PM |
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Yes when you edit profile you should see, under Forum preferences=>Enable email notification for all new posts/replies?=>Yes/No.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted January 20, 2016 02:54 PM |
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It's been way too long without an update on the official site i think.... And january is almost over...
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This MEGA THREAD is pages long: 
