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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 11, 2016 05:51 PM |
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The weird thing with all this is, that I enjoy quite a fine working relation with the Ubisoft guys when it comes to localization, and I'm not so naive not to see the possibility of repercussions by leaning too far outta the window here - I've been putting something on the line for the darn game, including an offer of 1000 € and free advice and ideas, in order to try and avoid the train crashing -, and there isn't even the slightest of good coming from it.
Which inevitably means, it may be that Limbic is guilty of screwing the game up, but the bottom line is, I screwed up as well, because I apparently knew better than them and the only thing I managed to accomplish was alienating them into becoming defensive and even hostile, jeopardizing my position and trying to vent my general disappointment and frustration.
Too much drama, indeed.
That leaves to hope everyone learns from their mistakes and do better next time around - or, at least in Limbic's case - already this time around, meaning, maybe they can get the game into shape, yet, which in the end is what counts. Heroes 5 wasn't built in a day either.
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 11, 2016 06:06 PM |
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I do wonder JJ, was there no better diplomatic way to show what you meant? I mean, were they so arrogant or deaf to what you wanted to make them understand or do you think your tone might have been too harsh?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 11, 2016 06:13 PM |
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It is easy to point the finger but not many will look back and see how they could have done things better.
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Map also hosted on Moddb
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articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 11, 2016 06:15 PM |
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I am not pointing any fingers, not really. If anything, i am trying to understand how this cooperation works.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 11, 2016 06:15 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 18:21, 11 Feb 2016.
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JollyJoker said:
That leaves to hope everyone learns from their mistakes and do better next time around - or, at least in Limbic's case - already this time around, meaning, maybe they can get the game into shape, yet, which in the end is what counts. Heroes 5 wasn't built in a day either.
No. There is no way this game gets better enough to become acceptable. If it does, then we have reasons for concern. It would mean that underfunding, disinterest, bad game design, deceit, politics and manipulation make good games.
I think it's time we stopped letting people motivated by monetary gain feed us with false hope, and I also think it's time we stopped lying to ourselves. We need a reality check: the game is crap, has bad reviews and sold poorly, and it will most likely suffer the same fate of Heroes 6, if not even worse. And in all honesty, I'm only left to hope that such a scenario comes to pass, because the game has to fail hard enough to instill change, otherwise they'll keep milking the cash cow and we'll keep getting mediocre games.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted February 11, 2016 06:24 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Heroes 5 wasn't built in a day either.
Heroes 5 was an anomaly. Nothing short of a miracle looking at Ubi's track record.
JollyJoker said:
Which inevitably means, it may be that Limbic is guilty of screwing the game up, but the bottom line is, I screwed up as well, because I apparently knew better than them and the only thing I managed to accomplish was alienating them into becoming defensive and even hostile, jeopardizing my position and trying to vent my general disappointment and frustration.
It's more likely that they were defensive way before you had any chance to contribute. But it was Ubi and Erwan forcing them into defense.
JollyJoker said:
Apparently Limbic takes offense in the way I related the fact that they revoked my access to what is their (and not Ubisoft's who is actually hiring the VIP guys) forum platform.
It would seem they find it important that I wished the forum goodbye, although I did so with the disclaimer that I would be out as long as the VIP thing would be the farce it was.
Corporate f*ckery at its best. Too many egos at play here.
Lately it seems Limbic bashing has become the norm here. As much as I agree that they produced an inferior game due to their lack of funding and experience(hell, they had a job opening for a Unreal Engine specialist a month !after! release) but let us never forget that it was the Ubi overlords who disregarded the all the experience the VIP group provided. Lack of technical know-how hurt the game but gamedesign decisions crippled it beyond help.
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"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted February 11, 2016 06:46 PM |
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fuChris said:
JollyJoker said:
Heroes 5 wasn't built in a day either.
Heroes 5 was an anomaly. Nothing short of a miracle looking at Ubi's track record.
H5 was saved thanks to effort of people working on it, including then creative director. I hope H7 will be this case too (I cannot do anything else than hope).
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Datapack
Famous Hero
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posted February 11, 2016 07:33 PM |
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Edited by Datapack at 19:33, 11 Feb 2016.
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The_green_drag said:
Try to push some unit diversity for me!!
Good luck with that in Ashan, sure it's better than it was in H6 but damn Ashan might be the most dull fantasy universe in existence.
We should buy Erwan a couple of D&D books for his birthday so he can see some good monster design.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted February 11, 2016 07:37 PM |
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Datapack said:
We should buy Erwan a couple of D&D books for his birthday so he can see some good monster design.
Until he managed to screw with that too, imagine that. ^_^'
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GlaDOS – Portal 2
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 11, 2016 09:29 PM |
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Datapack said:
Ashan might be the most dull fantasy universe in existence.
I know I have been saying this for awhile(as well as mostly everyone else), but hearing it said so bluntly just feels so right, thank you.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted February 11, 2016 09:50 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 21:52, 11 Feb 2016.
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Gryphs said:
Datapack said:
Ashan might be the most dull fantasy universe in existence.
I know I have been saying this for awhile(as well as mostly everyone else), but hearing it said so bluntly just feels so right, thank you.
The more I think about it, the clearer it becomes to me. I dislike Ashan (especially the characters, talk about cheesy, sheesh...) and I really miss allegiance based factions...
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AlexSpl
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Supreme Hero
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posted February 11, 2016 10:42 PM |
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The main problem with Ashan is that it desperately tries to copy real life with all its complexity. I don't know if there is a more fastidious way to ruin the universe. This mistake is pretty common in recent games.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted February 11, 2016 10:48 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
The main problem with Ashan is that it desperately tries to copy real life with all its complexity.
 I don't know where you live, and now I never want to find out.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 11, 2016 10:53 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:56, 11 Feb 2016.
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The problem with Ashan is that it tries to copy EVERYTHING. Almost every bit of lore, "trivia", etc is a copy from something that was done better elsewhere, and I can guarantee the minute the things they are ripping-off now goes out of style *cough* Game of Thrones *cough* Ashan will magically evolve into the next most popular thing. The paltry few things that are "original"(Dragon gods anyone? Yeah I know it is not really original it is hard to find something that is)are implemented in ways so cliche and inane that you wonder why they did not copy a better world for that to.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 11, 2016 11:06 PM |
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Main problem with Ashan is, there is no change.
Empires tend to rise and fall, though.
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AlexSpl
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted February 11, 2016 11:06 PM |
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Edited by AlexSpl at 23:09, 11 Feb 2016.
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Quote:
I don't know where you live, and now I never want to find out.
Well, I wanted to say that there are too many ordinary things in the game. Your imagination just wants to sleep.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 11, 2016 11:09 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 23:15, 11 Feb 2016.
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I would argue there is not enough real world elements. I mean the Ashan wardrobe I can only describe as "military puke"(and I like fancy uniforms).
JollyJoker said:
Main problem with Ashan is, there is no change.
Empires tend to rise and fall, though.
If it did not stay the same then how would they have characters familiar enough for the completely original and absolutely uninspired by Game of Thrones plot?
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frostymuaddib
Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
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posted February 11, 2016 11:10 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Main problem with Ashan is, there is no change.
Empires tend to rise and fall, though.
Griffin eternal!
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"Occam's shuriken: when the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas." -- Dr. Gordon Freeman (Freeman's Mind)
"lol" -- VERRIKER VON ERWINSSEN
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted February 11, 2016 11:13 PM |
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Main problem with Ashan is that it is an uninspired truckload of garbage crap which is taking a dump on the original universe on top of it.
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
Nuttier than squirrel poo
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posted February 11, 2016 11:20 PM |
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Main problem is not the setting, it's the complete fustercluck that was supposed to make it come to life as Enroth and Erathia and Axeoth had, and failed utterly.
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