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Storm-Giant
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posted March 18, 2016 01:49 PM

Stevie said:
So basically Limbic is immune to common sense. Got it.

Aaand that's how the series capitulates. A sad ending indeed.
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Antalyan
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posted March 18, 2016 07:04 PM
Edited by Antalyan at 19:06, 18 Mar 2016.

I do not however think the situation is so bad as the majority of you says. You do not have to like this game but I can enjoy the scripted missions and 3D graphics, along many other things.

I don't say H7 is perfect. Really not. But with better AI and some other improvements, it is an amazing game for me, as H5 & H6 were. All of them different, each one with their own faults unfortunately.

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posted March 18, 2016 09:03 PM

Antalyan said:
I do not however think the situation is so bad as the majority of you says. You do not have to like this game but I can enjoy the scripted missions and 3D graphics, along many other things.

I don't say H7 is perfect. Really not. But with better AI and some other improvements, it is an amazing game for me, as H5 & H6 were. All of them different, each one with their own faults unfortunately.


I 100% agree with you but it hurts my brain how much better the game would be with the slightest changes that wouldn't  cost much time or money if a more competent developer was in charge.
500 years ago people knew how to make abilities that would scale per hero level. why not now? that poor warfare skill... why is it so hard to add some diversity to the wheels?ot let us pick two grandmasters from the wheel, gee! basic and do-able stuff. some say that even this way the game is awful but they are overreacting as usual.


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JollyJoker
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posted March 18, 2016 11:12 PM

The problem is, that there is a SEVEN behind the game name.

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Stevie
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posted March 19, 2016 09:22 AM

I understand what you mean, but would you care to elaborate?
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JollyJoker
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posted March 19, 2016 03:16 PM

If it was called Might & Magic: Heroes and was the first game in a new Ashan universe, the game would be interesting, everyone would be helpful and patient, forum would be buzzing with feedback and suggestions. The game would be new ground and bugs, balance errors, not really working game mechanics and so on would be something to expect.

But it's the 7th game in a row, and beginner errors are not taken kindly. You cannot always make the same errors, you cannot demonstrate that you have a very limited understanding of why the predecessors worked or not, what were their flaws and what made people love them in spite of their flaws or hate them in spite of working fine.

If this was the first game in the series, it would be ok to release it in a WIP state and patch it for half a year afterwards, throw out a hasty expansion and then round things up with a second expansion 2 weeks before Xmas. That's what went down with H5, and it was ok.

Now, though?

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posted March 19, 2016 03:38 PM

Doesn't that make Heroes a victim of Ubisoft's bad business practices tho? They're not called the student grinder for nothing. Cheap and inexperienced developers who'd ask for next to nothing, easily disposable too so that there's no chance of putting whatever experience they get to use for a new title. It sucks. It's like Heroes is a target practice for the industry's fresh blood. It doesn't even matter it's got a 7 in the title, because for Nival, Black Hole and now Limbic it has always been Heroes 1. And we have a team of incompetents at the franchise's helm to boot. Under such conditions there's no way Heroes can become great again, and years of progressive downfall stand testament to that. Some major changes would have to take place at the highest level, and judging the likeliness of that happening, I think there's a fairer chance for Heroes to be forgotten somewhere on a shelf.
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Antalyan
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posted March 19, 2016 03:45 PM

I will not defend the Ubibug for what they have done (again).
This game should not have been released in autumn, it was far from finished, that's what we all know so well.

I am also disappointed many things are still broken and some of them will probably never be fixed. And it is even less understandable if you realise that H7 brings almost nothing new. (Compared for example to H6, that game brought too many changes but therefore it was more probable to be broken with features like Dynasty/Conflux). I mean, I would not like to see major changes, but I agree with you it seems weird seeing them doing the 7th game in a row and still with the same mistakes.

Whose fault is it? We can accuse everyone from greedy Ubisoft producents, who did not give Limbic enough time & money to do the great game, through Limbic, who accepted the contract although they might not know how to do this game, also knowing how studios colaborating with Ubi usually end up. It can be also a huge problem that studios working on Heroes change every time. Maybe if the same devs did more Heroes games, it could be much better - we should realise that the teams usually have to start from the early beginning with nearly no experience with Heroes. (It took 3DO two games before making a great game, and Ubi producents do not count in this case as they are not doing the game personally).

But what I tried to say is that even through these problems, this game can finally tur n out to be a fun. Forget that it has Heroes in the name if neccessary, and enjoy it as you would do with any other game.

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Storm-Giant
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posted March 19, 2016 04:01 PM

"I don't say Phantom Menace is perfect. Really not. But with better plot and some other improvements, it is an amazing movie for me, as Revenge of the Sith & Attack of the Clones were. All of them different, each one with their own faults unfortunately."

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We don't need another 'eroes
posted March 19, 2016 04:07 PM

Antalyan said:
Whose fault is it? We can accuse everyone


erwin's lol
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verriker
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posted March 19, 2016 04:22 PM

Antalyan said:
It took 3DO two games before making a great game,


no lol,
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Antalyan
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posted March 19, 2016 05:25 PM

@Verriker

I do not consider H1 or H2 (or even H4) to be good games, or most likely they are much worse than H6 for me from my today's point of view (I liked H2 a very long time ago but now it's over).

Erwan's team may do some key decisions (but I think most of these decisions like return to more resources or town level system are right in H7). He can be very hardly responsible for stupid AI, balancing or crashing multiplayer
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posted March 19, 2016 05:33 PM

Storm-Giant said:
"I don't say Phantom Menace is perfect. Really not. But with better plot and some other improvements, it is an amazing movie for me, as Revenge of the Sith & Attack of the Clones were. All of them different, each one with their own faults unfortunately."




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LizardWarrior
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posted March 19, 2016 05:34 PM

Antalyan said:

I do not consider H1 or H2 (or even H4) to be good games, or most likely they are much worse than H6 for me from my today's point of view (I liked H2 a very long time ago but now it's over).



they were working as intended, unlike h6 (and h7), so there's no way they can be worse than that

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posted March 19, 2016 05:44 PM

Are you really comparing games before 1998 with 2016 antalyan? H7 had decades of heroes games to benefit from and it still turned out not nearly good enouhgh.
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posted March 19, 2016 05:45 PM

Antalyan said:
@Verriker

I do not consider H1 or H2 (or even H4) to be good games, or most likely they are much worse than H6 for me from my today's point of view (I liked H2 a very long time ago but now it's over).

Erwan's team may do some key decisions (but I think most of these decisions like return to more resources or town level system are right in H7). He can be very hardly responsible for stupid AI, balancing or crashing multiplayer


I wish I was on the same planet as you my young hopelessly naive mate, seriously I do lol
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Stevie
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posted March 19, 2016 05:53 PM

I don't.
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Storm-Giant
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posted March 19, 2016 06:12 PM
Edited by Storm-Giant at 18:13, 19 Mar 2016.

Antalyan said:
@Verriker

I do not consider H1 or H2 (or even H4) to be good games, or most likely they are much worse than H6 for me from my today's point of view (I liked H2 a very long time ago but now it's over).

Heroes 2 include six fully fledged factions at release, little-to-none bugs to speak of, a wealth of improvements and additions welcomed by the player base, beautiful artstyle for the time it was released, an economy system (+ a creature/spell balance) that is still unparalleled by any other installment of the series (except perhaps H4), an excellent soundtrack, intuitive map editor...and you have the balls to say it isn't a good game?

See, this is the perfect example of why your opinion is/won't be taken seriously. My God

verriker said:
Antalyan said:
Whose fault is it? We can accuse everyone


erwin's lol

Nah, as many terrible decisions Erwan has made, a great deal of blame should be laid on Ubisoft as a whole (for many reasons: milking the franchise until it is a shriveled up prune of a corpse, keeping Erwan in charge for so long, Uplay, etc). Some devs have proven to be stubbornly obtuse, which doesn't help either
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Salamandre
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posted March 19, 2016 06:21 PM

I don't think developers from 1990-1999 realized how much of a flourishing business this branch will become, therefore they designed their games with passion, belief and vision, for what they were destined to: give people high quality enjoyment, both intellectual and aesthetic while remaining strictly RELAXING. Then, when they realized how much profit can be made from, they forgot all the initial Hippocratic Oath and only focused on the parts which could enhance the marketing by stunning the impatient fan: fancy graphics, blowing mind cut scenes, howling soundtracks, muddled interfaces suggesting a complex game -which most often it isn't, then a costly omnipotent and omnipresent advertising campaign.

And yes, H2 is a piece of art, period. Any different advice is bollocks. You can not like it, and this is a different point of view and fairly debatable.  

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Antalyan
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posted March 19, 2016 06:33 PM

Elvin said:
Are you really comparing games before 1998 with 2016 antalyan? H7 had decades of heroes games to benefit from and it still turned out not nearly good enouhgh.


This comparison is only for demonstration what advantages of newer Heroes games are. Maybe it should not be compared but I really do not agree with people claiming H6 & H7 being the worst Heroes games.


Also, as mentioned before, people making Heroes change so their 20 years of experience do not mean much, at least not for the Limb devs who have to sit at computers and program the game like they have never done (I guess the mobile games or web games on Limbsite are very different to H7).

Again, I have to return to the words that Heroes are not done only for hardcore base. Because every new game gets so detail dissection and comparison with previous titles that I wonder how the Heroes VIII/IX... would have to look like to fulfill these requirements.

However I must admit the current situation and H7 is far even from my vision and the people responsible for that should be punished for it.

The only thing I am trying to say you is to look at the game as it was a different single game. Forget its history and previous games and you will se a good game is inside - or through another words the game which is not worse and whose production is not different to most of other games.

It could have been much better but I will rather play quite good game and hope for as many improvements as possible than wait for miracle which never comes.


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