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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted April 23, 2016 01:50 PM
Edited by Elvin at 13:51, 23 Apr 2016.

There is no smoke without fire and this forum has almost suffocated from the fumes. When there have been so many warning signs for so many years, the least one can say is that they had it coming. Either they did not bother to pay attention or they did not care. Either way, bad call. Even worse when you blame the fans for complaining on everything they warned you about.

But when you also have technical shortcomings like the AI being crappy till 1.8(it just learnt how to wait and pick up things?!), crappy sounds, crappy balance, crappy loading times AND numerous unresolved bugs for which we should be thankful they are still being looked into.. That paints a bad picture. When the game is in that state, no - you are not allowed to make quips. You are not allowed to blame your customers. In that case you suck it up, work towards fixing them and hope it is not too late by the time you do.
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verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
posted April 23, 2016 08:57 PM bonus applied by Maurice on 24 Apr 2016.
Edited by verriker at 20:54, 25 Apr 2016.

Karanshade said:
Huge fail But at least your eyes are opening.Thx for the effort !


I also wanted to answer to someone who was gloating that noones defend H7 anymore but I can't find his post on this megathread .

Well we simply don't post here . People who like H7 have no place posting here . HC is for SYSTEMATIC BLIND H7 bashers only.


I'm glad ubisoft got the balls to tells you in your face what me and my friends found out months ago. So we stopped posting , spaced out the visit , and there ...months after months , same old same old , same verriker posting hate about a game ....if I don't like a game , I m not sure I'd be posting about it for months.I can't understand how the ten active people in this thread are actually functionning ? is that some sort of needed recognition ? Going nt a site and bash a game you don' t even play days after days ? borderline psychopathic for sure.


As one of my firend stated , don't go to HC , it is  whiner community now. As an acronym , I can only agrees that it reflects the quality.

A place to take a dump.


'Ello there Karanshade, it's verriker 'ere,

Sorry to hear my posting and personal opinions on Heroes 7 are so repulsive to you and your pal. Are you the first person to come in and and aim potshots at me? Or to challenge the current atmosphere at HC, all together? Lol. Still, out of respect for diverse opinions, get a load of my defense! With classy English grammar an' all loike, so sit up, and pay attention. Else, we can all run around fighting straw men after one another. That's all condemnations. No substance.

If there's one thing I'm a "hater" of, ya see, I'm a "hater gonna h8" of provocative binary slurs such as "hater" or "lover" or "basher" - isn't it deeply problematic to file complex human minds under these reductive headings, like you're dealing with amoeboids with one function in life.
Ultimately three sentence fragments in your message make sense: "noones defend H7 anymore", "well we simply don't post here" and "if I don't like a game , I m not sure I'd be posting about it for months". I'll return to these in a minute, but more general specifics first, eh?

It's all true, there are many here who'll continue to oppose Team Erwin/Ubilimb's recent practices and attitudes toward the Heroes series. At first glance, though, your characterizations of us all are more emotional, than logical. Those who express their difficulties with the status quo did not fall out of the sky at random. It's a logical cause and effect of one event after another - building from dissatisfaction when incompetence appears - to cynicism when the incompetence goes on - to a conviction that something is critical when the incompetence sees no end in sight.
And ain't there one reasonable ideal which unites us all: to play the best Heroes game possible. (What, reasonable, bloke wouldn't ask for that? Any hypothetical person who thinks otherwise is an antifan, I feel it's fair to say.)

But the difference in opinion where these arguments and dimwitted labels come from is a question of imagination, and methodology.

As Ubilimb Oak so pointedly let us know, all art is subjective. But when I, and the majority, see what we have judged, over years of discussion and experience, to be easily-avoidable creative blunders and amateur mistakes chipping away at the series' popularity and potential - whether they're games, unfit for publication, unrewarding and lobotomized systems or plain old lack of professionalism on blogs - that all adds up!
It's not even that perfect is the enemy of good, man; it's that good is the enemy of unplayable ****! I don't need to lay out again and again and again why the skill system, or the art direction, or the AI is below the par of sensible expectation. And even acceptable might not be enough to work with in this climate. Heroes needs to impress on another level to survive in the long term. Or it's zombified already.

What are our options to change the situation?

1) Constructive, diplomatic criticism - waste of breath (go on. go back, review the Erwin interviews - the VIP testimonies - gombaki's signoff message - Ubilimb Oak's post, not a day late; the fortune 500 favors the bold, and ain't Ubilimb deeply egotistical folks who trust their own sensibilities before anything else).

2) Personal boycott - too vague alone (A non-existent sale can be interpreted in all sorts of ways - this gives zero guidance).

3) Keep applying pressure - complaining and lolling and pointing out the incompetence in public, until the message is unavoidable - this is the lesser of two erwins. People power brings a chance of deflating that big ego, pushing through changes! You gotta flip off the old cartels - make a fuss. That is basic stuff. The DRM fiascos for an example. And if they should write off the popular consensus en masse, nothing was ever going to change in the end - doesn't it at least bring their mentality out in the open.

Nobody *wants* to sit here posting the yucky, absolutist, vitriol, and even putting aside members blessed with *saintly* patience such as alcibiades, Elvin and Maurice, the likes of myself, Galaad and the others are only human.
There's reason, and method involved! We each want the series to reach its peak potential, in an increasingly dog-eat-dog competitive industry, and we know there's no leeway to tolerate error in that context any more. Noone else is going to play our customer standards watchdog fighting for quality, either - one can only ever be having a laugh with that, abysmally punctuated, notion that taking bad practice to task is hater, whiner or psychopath, in this lawless wild west.
Even if the game was up to par, it would still face critique.

Your message painted the most *fantastic* picture of fun and mischief with its toilet humor, so take some in kind. If we irresponsibly allow, at full price, second-rate, corner-cutting crap to slide as fans and consumers, there is no excuse to be surprised when our beloved turd is flushed and forgotten in favor of a popamole TPS...

noones defend H7 anymore
Do you understand how easy it is to get things wrong, and how difficult it is to get things right? There is only one correct answer to any trivia question, and a million billion incorrect ones. It's not a matter of nostalgia. It's not mythical haters. You can call it a circle jerk or a toilet or a SYSTEMATIC BLIND BIRTHDAY BASH until you're blue in the face!, but whether we like it or not, this is no Donald Trump rally lol. See the rational, intelligent people across the globe discussing the same product on its own terms, and when a consensus builds that the product sucks for them, see the product and its creator are probably faulty in ways -approaching- objectivity, at least.

if I don't like a game , I m not sure I'd be posting about it for months
Don't the lies (user reviews), damned lies (pro reviews) and statistics (sales) vindicate the posts' existence beyond simple personal opinion... so, few guys, you while completely welcome honestly need to give others a goddamn break and get out of the damn way as the rest preach the obvious to the blind and deaf jokers in Paris.
We're interested in Heroes. Buy the new Heroes game developed with and for us. Or didn't they say? Knowing who we're dealing with, it's a matter of "don't you dare say we didn't warn you" first and foremost. Championing the best for the game? Standing up to willfully ignorant behavior patterns from its handlers, after being burned and scammed enough times before, to the point that their sincerity had to be questioned either way? makes sense.
Garbage in, garbage out.

well we simply don't post here
'Course one of the first rules of the Internet was everything, but everything, has its defence force. And no doubt that Heroes 7's, maybe a vocal minority, is out there.
They think Heroes 6 and 7 captured the potential of the series - or enough to settle for in any event - or that it's good enough to warrant a salvage operation. This is great to see when I can see it, mate. If you haven't noticed, I cannot, and *will* not fault you all for enjoying Heroes 7. I wanna be challenged, and see diverse opinions. Unless you're insecure, don't like being challenged on discussion forums designed for freaking discussion - which is absolutely your own problem, my activities aren't set up to drive you away, or take away from your experience.
Have your fun! and I'm happy for you. All I ask you to do is behave with tolerance, and entertain the idea that many other people ask more for their dollar.

And what am I, personally, doing to earn and promote your tolerance in kind?

1) I've -voluntarily- undertaken not to give cynical reaction to any new users who come in, share positive experiences in the Erwin games, anywhere, even if disrespectful. If those views exist, anyone's welcome to express them without prejudice! as far as I'm concerned!

2) I've -voluntarily- refused to post on any of the official forums, invited, or not, to give Ubilimb and their fans the opportunity to express themselves unchallenged by any harsh truths and rhetoric I can counter with (and oy vey buddy, there's more than enough we could counter with...)

3) I've -voluntarily- pledged not to post in my friend FrostyMuadDib's right honorable Heroes 7 Positive Feedback and Discussion topic, which -in sync with Brukernavn's moderation- quality guarantees ya a "hater"-free paradise. It's a safe space for more positively bent users, to share positive views - and even ridicule my views, without reprisal.

You wot? Yea, self-censorship, for your pleasure.

so in conclusion, lol, wtf, h8r, bbq, like,
get with the programme of mutual respect, hue hue hue, and like live and let live mate, lol
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LucPatenaude
LucPatenaude


Famous Hero
Owning all 7 Heroes games
posted April 24, 2016 07:01 PM

Humongous heads up people!

Do not touch the feature: Go Offline through Uplay's game client!

It automatically suspends your account and, you can no longer any games that needs Uplay to play them. The password is, also, rendered, invalid.

I had to replace my password and confirm its change a couple of times over in order to have the right to re-login into my original account.

You, the player, has to wait, a whole 24 hours(an entire day) so that your account can be re-validated through the password change and confirmation.

So, please, for the sake of your pleasure at playing a diverse array of Uplay run games, do not go offline, at all times.


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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
posted April 24, 2016 07:05 PM

LucPatenaude said:
So, please, for the sake of your pleasure at playing a diverse array of Uplay run games, do not use Uplay, at all times.



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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted April 24, 2016 07:37 PM

Worked fine for me last I tried
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natalka
natalka


Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
posted April 25, 2016 04:02 PM

The game mechanics will not change. I hoped to make a difference there but I am only making subtle changes to a broken game. When presenting them the real issues , they tell me my view is biased towards multiplayer.  So be it..heroes 7 will never be good, only slightly better than H6.

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted April 25, 2016 04:31 PM

I thought there will be a skill wheel mechanics change???

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dark-whisperer
dark-whisperer


Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
posted April 25, 2016 04:40 PM

natalka said:

posted by natalka (Supreme Hero) at 17:53, 17 Mar 2016

The game mechanics will not change. I hoped to make a difference there but I am only making subtle changes to a broken game. When presenting them the real issues , they tell me my view is biased towards multiplayer.  So be it..heroes 7 will never be good, only slightly better than H6. I was defending the game for so long because my hope for it refused to die. I would change that, and that and the other thing but nothing is going to happen...so today my hope died. RIP

When a hardcore fan of particularly H7 is leaving you know how bad the storm is.


Why are you reposting exactly the same thing you already said a month ago?

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frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
posted April 25, 2016 04:59 PM

Because things haven't changed? But really, they did say that there will be changes to skill system.
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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted April 25, 2016 05:16 PM

There will be.
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Antalyan
Antalyan


Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
posted April 25, 2016 05:23 PM

Hopefully it will be the positive change...
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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted April 25, 2016 05:27 PM

The change could leave the basic mechanics in place, though...

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EnergyZ
EnergyZ


Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
posted April 25, 2016 08:36 PM

How much, do you think, an average person would rate the game in the current state (scale 1-10)?

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Selpen
Selpen


Adventuring Hero
posted April 25, 2016 08:48 PM

EnergyZ said:
How much, do you think, an average person would rate the game in the current state (scale 1-10)?


3/10


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etore
etore


Adventuring Hero
posted April 26, 2016 01:00 AM

EnergyZ said:
How much, do you think, an average person would rate the game in the current state (scale 1-10)?

I do not know what you mean by an "average person", but I would rate it 7/10 as it's now.
After patch 1.8 I can play alone for hours without problems or major bugs.
Playing casually I have fun like I was playing H5.
And for me, Heroes was ever about this: have fun.

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natalka
natalka


Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
posted April 26, 2016 08:41 AM

I am reposting by mistake. Sorry , my phone posted on its own accord actually. But maybe the universe has something to tell.

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JollyJoker
JollyJoker


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted April 26, 2016 09:02 AM

Too much conact with the game. Error by association...

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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted April 26, 2016 10:29 AM

natalka said:
I am reposting by mistake. Sorry , my phone posted on its own accord actually. But maybe the universe has something to tell.


It's telling you to get a new phone?

Anyway, you've been silent lately, Nat. Did you completely abandon the game?
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natalka
natalka


Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
posted April 26, 2016 01:25 PM
Edited by natalka at 13:29, 26 Apr 2016.

Quote:
It's telling you to get a new phone?


Actually, it is telling me to cut down on the booze. Who knows what I could do next time.

oh, I am playing h3 online in the russian league now
There are many active players there, even more than when I participated in TOH.

So many "heroes" features were lost after h3, it is rather sad..


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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted April 26, 2016 01:34 PM

natalka said:

Actually, it is telling me to cut down on the booze. Who knows what I could do next time.

I know, reposting is an unforgivable offence!
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