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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted April 29, 2016 12:17 AM |
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Vtirr, what about the misaligned GM abilities?
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted April 29, 2016 02:17 AM |
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Concerning the Fortress faction, my biggest concern from an aesthetic standpoint is "Please don't make it feels TOO much like Orzammar from Dragon Age." From the handful of architecture we've seen thus far, it really reminds me of Dragon Age dwarf structures. Yeah, looks pretty good and "dwarfy", but please don't make them look TOO similar...
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted April 29, 2016 11:28 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
"many people" = 20 persons from HC. The rest of the fan base didn't have a problem.
Most of the fan base is a silent majority. Claiming they're for or against a certain feature is lunacy anyway  .
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The last Reasonable Steward of Good Game Design and a Responsible Hero of HC. - Verriker
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 29, 2016 11:43 AM |
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Maurice said:
Most of the fan base is a silent majority. Claiming they're for or against a certain feature is lunacy anyway .
indeed, all we know is the 551,000 Heroes 6 players who didn't come back for Heroes 7, according to steamspy, either had some problems or fell into a black hole lol
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted April 29, 2016 11:59 AM |
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Edited by EnergyZ at 12:02, 29 Apr 2016.
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ChrisD1 said:
EnergyZ said:
Well, don't you remember lamasu, from Heroes VI, which many people complained about? It is in Heroes VII.
"many people" = 20 persons from HC. The rest of the fan base didn't have a problem. the lamasu is actually one of my favorites and the spider theme is not annoying at all. and no i'm not a troll. although i could get burned at the HC square saying those things here but what the hell
I don't have any problem with lamasu, either. But the point stands that a lot of people did not like it and were outraged to see it in VII. The MMH7 sites confirms this as well.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 29, 2016 12:08 PM |
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Lamasu is alright. I bit dull but I(and I suspect most were as well) was more dissapointed in seeing the same Vampire/lich.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted April 29, 2016 12:18 PM |
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But the vampire/lich was changed the lamasu is still an H6 rip-off.
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 29, 2016 12:21 PM |
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Gryphs said:
But the vampire/lich was changed the lamasu is still an H6 rip-off.
Exactly, which is why I suspect most people didn't have as big a problem with the Lamasu.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted April 29, 2016 12:47 PM |
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Lamasi are cool if you're into the whole Native American glam rock look.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 29, 2016 12:55 PM |
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To be fair, it still stands that necropolis does need some variety. So far it was heavy on human walkers albeit dead or undead ones. Thing is, a mythological game such as heroes could have made any undead unit out of its other units and it would still be allright, even if reused. Lamassus even though not the best conception, offers tha more beastlike undead feel while also providing a sphynx of sorts. To be fair though, a better skin than that of heroes 6 and animations could make wonders. Imagine some bones showing here and there, some black, grey and even green spots showing decay and so on.
Though for me, it would be more interesting to see undead minotaurs zombies or undead stags and so on enter the neutral pool
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted April 29, 2016 01:19 PM |
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Personally, I like the Lamasu as a concept. They looked good in H6 also, so I didn't mind them turning up in H7 also. Would a bit of plastic surgery have been nice? Certainly, but none-the-less, this was for me a case of a re-used asset I could accept. The re-use of the Lich and Vampire were for me much more problematic because they didn't look good in H6 in the first place.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted April 29, 2016 01:43 PM |
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I'm more certain the problem about lamasu wasn't exactly the look, but the stats. It didn't have much of an attack power and it was quite slow for a flyer.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted April 29, 2016 04:35 PM |
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Compared to h1-4 every flier is slow as crap 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 29, 2016 04:51 PM |
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At last down Shadow Council I don't think Lamasu could have been considered popular.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 29, 2016 05:03 PM |
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But why? Was it the Heroes VI association? Was it the stats and role it had? Is it the design?
As a unit it ain't that bad, and i mean design wise. It was a novel addition to Necropolis and a flyer nonetheless that wasn't human, so what went wrong?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 29, 2016 05:12 PM |
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IMO it wouldn't have been that badly received if Sumerian/Mesopotamian theme for the faction would have take the upper hand instead of Spidercult.
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 29, 2016 05:15 PM |
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Even so, it was the less spidery themed unit. All the others had some spider ornament but lamassu was simpler. Which begs the question as to what really had it messed up in the mind of players.
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted April 29, 2016 05:25 PM |
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Added to that are its signature abilities in H6: Breath of Vermin (for the upgrade), which deals damage to the target unit for a number of turns, and the Aura of Putrescence which reduces the health of adjacent enemy units at the start of its turn. The upgraded form adds Contagion to that effect as well.
Taking everything into account, the H6 Lamasu is not all that bad. In fact, it's more than worth having around.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 29, 2016 05:28 PM |
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I personally don't mind the lamassu except for the cheap H6 reuse, it's not necessarily pop culture enough for Heroes or a correct fit for the Necropolis though, there's a lot of Erwin edits rewriting history to force them in there, I don't think they have anything to do with the undead in the original myths,
lots of people are looking for either haunting spooky specters or campy Hammer Horror style mood from this faction, but the weird Buddhist spider Mesopotamia makeover Erwin gave it is just odd and satisfies neither taste, it's a bit pretentious I guess lol
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 29, 2016 05:34 PM |
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Even so, one would still argue the alteration of lineups from heroes IV and also the almost made 3do heroes 5 which had cat elfs and whatnot. A nessopotamian necropolis might not be that bad. True tje whole spidercult backfired big time and necropolis did not really deliver lore wise but it did give some interesting units like the shapeshifting namtaru. That unit was unique and nice in almost all areas (except tha drider form but even that was nice).
So given the new universe and i am trying to be objective here and the freedom of every authorn to write his/her own rules, such a necropolis is not unheard of in order to promote a more dhades of grey feel rather than black and white. Thing is though, they should provide the darker grey (horror world dominating) lineup for necropolis as well as the lighter grey (spidercult)
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