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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 29, 2016 05:49 PM |
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Articun said: Even so, one would still argue the alteration of lineups from heroes IV and also the almost made 3do heroes 5 which had cat elfs and whatnot. A nessopotamian necropolis might not be that bad. True tje whole spidercult backfired big time and necropolis did not really deliver lore wise but it did give some interesting units like the shapeshifting namtaru. That unit was unique and nice in almost all areas (except tha drider form but even that was nice).
So given the new universe and i am trying to be objective here and the freedom of every authorn to write his/her own rules, such a necropolis is not unheard of in order to promote a more dhades of grey feel rather than black and white. Thing is though, they should provide the darker grey (horror world dominating) lineup for necropolis as well as the lighter grey (spidercult)
well almost everyone tends to agree the Infernopolis was a *****y idea too, there is no double standard when both of these lore-heavy makeovers of a faction are criticized lol
when you do that to an existing faction, sure it can be original or interesting, but the price of it is that you're taking away the vision of the faction people are already fans of, basically forcing an own interpretation on it, thus pissing off its fans,
Disciples is a game where that kind of highly involved lore-centric stuff works better, it was built with lots of lore as the foundation, in Heroes though things are different and it always just divides the fanbase and creates arguments lol
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted April 29, 2016 05:58 PM |
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I do agree with you. And surprisingly i can see the point of view of the developers as well. Treading the lines of being burnt as a heretic, maybe if there was less spider ornaments and more generic look to the units, change would have been easier.
And going back to the original point, the biggest mistake was the whole spider theme on the units not the lore behind it. I mean what do we care what the necromancers care to believe in. The mistake they made was that they only try to show the "good" side of necropolis and not the traditional one which still exists in Ashan anyway.
It would be nice if for a change they decided to add or enhance the current lineup with the more horrific and gothic gory looking undead of old.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted April 29, 2016 07:16 PM |
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I think one thing that comes very clear just by reading the last 10-20 posts in this thread is that even on a simple topic like this (the Lamassu), we're often talking about many different things, or from many different perspectives. Some people discuss the concept, some discuss the design, others discuss its functionality, and yet others discuss the lore behind it.
Personally, I like the concept of the Lamassu. It associates to the Sphinx (good - Egyptian theme ties with Necropolis; pyramids, mummies, etc.), it has a distinctive look, it has mythological ties - all good things. This for me makes a good starting point for a concept.
I think the design is pretty good. Sure, it has the H6 flaws with too much neon-green eyes etc., and a make-over between H6 and H7 would have been nice, but again, if we move from the specific games to the more general design concept, it's good.
The lore? I don't even know what the lore is. And I don't care. Zero importance for me, so this is not something I judge a creature on. The Vampire and Lich lore also sucked in H6, but Vampire and Lich are still iconic creatures in Necropolis.
The functionality? That's related to a specific game. So it was too slow in H6? Doesn't have to mean it's slow again in future installments. Again, that's not a parameter I judge a unit by from a general view-point.
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted April 29, 2016 09:39 PM |
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alcibiades said: The functionality? That's related to a specific game. So it was too slow in H6? Doesn't have to mean it's slow again in future installments. Again, that's not a parameter I judge a unit by from a general view-point.
True. But people did not know anything about the unit in Heroes VII, back when Necropolis faction was still released, for they related to Heroes VI.
I guess most of these things came as a chain reaction and build up the anger. First, the spiders as units was ludicrous to many. Now to see the thing from Heroes VI was too much. I guess it was about the green tone it had in Heroes VI? I don't know.
I don't feel lamasu is something to be angry about. Unlike that townscreen... bleh.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted April 29, 2016 10:13 PM |
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Personally I dislike the image of the Lamasu. It's bulky and clunky, almost if it was forced into the line-up. The way it flaps its wings, the way it moves, I don't know ... it just strikes me as being out of place. As for its role and function, I think it fit well enough.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted April 29, 2016 11:00 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 23:33, 29 Apr 2016.
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model was a bit bad, but art drawning looks good-ish.
btw, discussing spideropolis is.. outdated. focus on fortess. hamster... etc etc..
edit: lol i said sanctuary instead of fortress.. but it was completely because of blizzard games, not because of our waterlovers. im also discussing lore of sanctuary(diablo universe) at another forum the same time
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted April 29, 2016 11:23 PM |
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Did somebody say SANCTUARY!?
Edit: Nobody? Ohh, that makes me sad...
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted April 30, 2016 12:20 AM |
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There is nothing much to be said about Fortress. We only saw the line-up and hamster seems out of place.
But, ah, I hope that Rune Magic works exactly the same as it did in Heroes V. Man, using those resources in battle to buff up was extremely fun, innovative and interesting. Pretty sure a lot of new tactics came by using just runes.
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted April 30, 2016 10:04 AM |
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Well I agree. Runelore in heroes V was probably the best faction skill, and really fun to play around with. Like their own bonus magic.
Actually, I got a guess for the lineup based of what we know and personal perferances.
Core
Defender, Kobold, Battle bear
Elite
Rune priest, Lava Rhino thing, Either Valkyrie or Fire giant
Champion
Fire Dragon (which BTW is probably the coolest dragon design in the series yet), Either Valkyrie or Fire giant (perfer valkyrie though)
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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted April 30, 2016 10:15 AM |
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I'm pretty sure Rune Priest is a warfare unit.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted April 30, 2016 10:38 AM |
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Hermes said: I'm pretty sure Rune Priest is a warfare unit.
I'm 99% sure most people think the guy with the big hammer in this pic is the Rune Priest.
Of course, for all we know, "Rune Priest" is just the name of one of their Magic classes and they have no such unit on the field.
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted April 30, 2016 10:51 AM |
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If he isn't a rune priest, what is he then?
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted April 30, 2016 10:55 AM |
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Edited by Aionb at 10:58, 30 Apr 2016.
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted April 30, 2016 10:59 AM |
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Aionb said: A Thane?
In that case I better liked the old thanes. I mean, despite only being a giant dwarf they where some of the most badass units in the fortress lineup, not to speak of their tactical potential.
However, I do doubt it is a thane.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted April 30, 2016 11:06 AM |
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If Thanes and Warlords didn't end up in the roster, wouldn't be surprised if they end up being Might classes for Fortress heroes... probably throwing "Jarl" into the mix as well.
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted April 30, 2016 12:36 PM |
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Can't say that is a bad thing though.
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The_green_drag
Supreme Hero
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posted April 30, 2016 02:39 PM |
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Let's just look at what we have been given and make an educated guess
Each faction has its own simple elite shooter. Therefore fortress must have one.
So it's a rune priest
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 30, 2016 02:55 PM |
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Mediczero said: Did somebody say SANCTUARY!?
Edit: Nobody? Ohh, that makes me sad...
I think I am one of the very few people who like sanctuary more than fortress and inferno
But I am conviced about it will NOT unfortunately appear in H7.
Except for it was the only faction which was not possible to be chosen during the voting, I could not imagine its racial to be different to the current ones.
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Mediczero
Famous Hero
Warlord of the sea
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posted April 30, 2016 03:05 PM |
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Antalyan said:
I think I am one of the very few people who like sanctuary more than fortress and inferno
But I am conviced about it will NOT unfortunately appear in H7.
Except for it was the only faction which was not possible to be chosen during the voting, I could not imagine its racial to be different to the current ones.
I do agree with you about Sanctuary (Fortress is my number 2 =P)
But while it's chances to appear is slim, I believe it is possible. Inferno might have a bigger chance being an older faction and a favorite among fans, but Sanctuary might still be possible.
As for racial, there are options. One could be increasing that units stats when defending compared to the attacker.
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Antalyan
Promising
Supreme Hero
H7 Forever
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posted April 30, 2016 03:33 PM |
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Mediczero said:
Antalyan said:
I think I am one of the very few people who like sanctuary more than fortress and inferno
But I am conviced about it will NOT unfortunately appear in H7.
Except for it was the only faction which was not possible to be chosen during the voting, I could not imagine its racial to be different to the current ones.
I do agree with you about Sanctuary (Fortress is my number 2 =P)
But while it's chances to appear is slim, I believe it is possible. Inferno might have a bigger chance being an older faction and a favorite among fans, but Sanctuary might still be possible.
As for racial, there are options. One could be increasing that units stats when defending compared to the attacker.
I think the second expansion will certainly be the Inferno (if I look at the SC votes), if it comes at all.
Then the 3rd expansion would most probably be our favourite sanctuary but I doubt Ubi will want to support this game so long.
However the potential of this game is great after the upcoming changes
About the racial, I cannot get rid of the thought that sylvan racial would much better fit to sanctuary.
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