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fuChris
fuChris


Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
posted July 31, 2016 07:14 PM

AnkVaati] said:
Did you play the original? Do you seriously think that another cheesy RPG, maybe with another demon girlfriend showing you her is what we need to save Heroes?

Do a proper M&M game instead, in the old world preferably. Tim Lang/Vector came up with a potentially very promising concept for it already almost 10 years ago.

Dark Messiah had a very vanilla storyline with bland-as-heck character design but on the other hand it had a pretty solid and well thought out concept behind it which almost all of Ubi era Heroes lacked. Not to mention that it was actually fun and challenging to play.
And if that wasn't enough, it also managed to further the storyline AND was relatively bugfree. By that, ofcourse I mean it didn't have much story at all and was a barely playable bugfest. But COMPARED to H6/H7 it was a masterpiece of superior quality.
*Sigh* All that's left is to wait for Clash of Heroes 2 (a mobile game BTW) to become the flagship of the series and further the storyline. Come to think of it CoH might have been the best game under Ubisoft. Probably because it had precious little to do with Erwin.

As for the M&M RPGs of old, the game concept has become very dated as shown by the sales figures of MMX:Legacy. So trying out a different format can only help.
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Selpen
Selpen


Adventuring Hero
posted July 31, 2016 07:19 PM

so Trial By Fire will be last Heroes by Ubi?

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AnkVaati
AnkVaati


Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
posted July 31, 2016 07:37 PM
Edited by AnkVaati at 19:39, 31 Jul 2016.

Agree about the DM, no matter its general cheesiness, still being above average for a game developed by Team Erwin. Whenever that means anything...

fuChris said:
As for the M&M RPGs of old, the game concept has become very dated as shown by the sales figures of MMX:Legacy. So trying out a different format can only help.
Have to disagree there. What's wrong with the format of turn-based RPG battles and running around with 4 customized heroes?

I think the problems are somewhere else than in the format (*cough* Ubisoft *cough* Ashan *cough* the obliteration of the M&M community because of the aforementioned  *cough*). Apart from the turn-based combat, the format isn't too different from Baldur's Gate 2 which is to RPG what Heroes 3 is to TBS. NWC was forced to make lousy RPG:s by 3DO and it was part of how they went down. Why work on a product similar to those everyone else are making instead of doing your special thing? The marked for mediocre fantasy RPG:s with cheesy stories is already supersaturated. Just go to Steam and see for yourself.
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Gryphs
Gryphs


Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
posted July 31, 2016 08:42 PM

GenyaArikado said:
The mottos date back to H5....as in, 2006. So are the attempts for greyness.

You keep bringing up "more original, more original" but i wanna see suggestions.
Lol, post Dark Messiah.


GenyaArikado said:
You're honestly deluding yourself if you consider that Ashan is the reason Heroes is failing but self delusion is so common here. On top of that most of you ignore that even if Ashan was scrapped (and it wont) and you went back to the Old!Verse it would still be under charge of the same people hence have the same "issues".
Never said that. Ashan "could" tell good stories but Erwin cannot seem to tell them.
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Selpen
Selpen


Adventuring Hero
posted July 31, 2016 09:20 PM

Tomorrow we will watch stream ?
I don't really believe

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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
posted August 01, 2016 01:18 AM

AnkVaati said:
Lol. You've never played the H4 campaigns, have you?


I have. Greatly written, doesnt change they're the typical child leader, romeo and juliet, king arthur etc plots lol. Real classy of you to post actual quotes of the games vs your childish writting too.

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Or the colourful personalities of H3: SoD? I recognize that part's of H3:s story was a bit black-white (not in all aspects though - most AB campaigns were still waaaay less generic than all Ubi has come up with).


the only unique thing about that was Gelu abominable character design (preceeding BDSM dungeon by 7 years, truly avant garde). You need to understand that finding something more enjoyable doesnt mean it's better or more original lol.

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Not Ashan-level black-and-white but still. Scrapping the Forge town sought to that. If you want the story behind all that, play M&M7 and 8. It's the opposite of generic - I guarantee you.



So i need to play MM7-8 to find H3 story non-generic? Lmao keep going

Elvin said:
cringeworthy dialogues/situations.


This forum being the first one of them. Can you stop the delusion Heroes sales have anything to do with Ashan? 5 is probably the second best sold game and if Ubi's word are to be believed 6 is probably the 3rd beccause. The problem is not Ashan, the problem is making a crappy game which takes 10 minutes to load and when it finally does, it's boring and/or buggy. I enjoyed H7 but i am under no illusions it was a well done game lol. Or do you honestly people are playing H3 in 2016 because they're IN-TRI-GUED  about Lich King Gryphonheart? (they arent)

Gryphs said:
Lol, post Dark Messiah.
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Yes, I understood that. But what kind of stories then? What kind of stories are so held back by pre-DM timeline lol?

Selpen said:
so Trial By Fire will be last Heroes by Ubi?


Pray that (if they stop making Heroes) they will a least sell the ip and the buyer wont be snowty. Or worse, that they dont see and we end up with Heroes 8: The Pachislot: Erotic Violence like Konami did with Castlevania

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AnkVaati
AnkVaati


Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
posted August 01, 2016 01:34 AM
Edited by AnkVaati at 01:39, 01 Aug 2016.

GenyaArikado said:
I have. Greatly written, doesnt change they're the typical child leader, romeo and juliet, king arthur etc plots lol. Real classy of you to post actual quotes of the games vs your childish writting too.
I think I captured the essence of HV's campaign stories pretty well. They're rubbish, they're like something from a melodramatic elementary schoolkid's diary, and no one is going to feel strongly about Isabel or whatever one-dimensional Ashan character in the same way fans felt about Gauldoth, Tawni, Emilia - or Gelu or Crag for that matter. No one is going to be filled by inspiration after playing any of Ubi's campaigns and write any short stories because of those, partly because the community that used to do such things about is anaemic, almost dead by this point. And Ashan is part of that - the horrible storytelling is part of that. Even Erwin himself has tried to come up for excuses for the H5 campaigns. And please try to keep this civil for everyone's sake, especially for your own.

GenyaArikado said:

So i need to play MM7-8 to find H3 story non-generic? Lmao keep going
Much of the backstory about the old universe is revealed there. More of it would have been in H3 as well, if the crowd who can't stand originality hadn't blubbered about it.
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Datapack
Datapack


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posted August 01, 2016 01:40 AM

You're definitely on something if you think H7 is a well done game lol

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AnkVaati
AnkVaati


Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
posted August 01, 2016 01:55 AM

Datapack said:
You're definitely on something if you think H7 is a well done game lol
That's why it's medium rare on people's Steam accounts.
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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted August 01, 2016 06:21 AM

GenyaArikado said:
... the problem is making a crappy game which takes 10 minutes to load and when it finally does, it's boring and/or buggy.

Meh, we shouldn't even have to ask for this. It is a goddamn no-brainer and it is unbelievable this was even allowed to happen. Not to mention every battle requiring a few secs of loading wtf.
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Selpen
Selpen


Adventuring Hero
posted August 01, 2016 12:10 PM

Ubimoshi  [developer] 4 minutes ago
Hello Heroes,

We have the regret to announce that we won&#8217;t be able to maintain this stream session.
We are sorry for the inconvenience and the short notice.

We are however very excited for you to get your hands on Might & Magic Heroes VII: Trial by Fire, which will release this Thursday (August 4th).
Check out our official website for more information about this addon!

Best,
The M&M Team.


What a team

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cleglaw
cleglaw


Famous Hero
posted August 01, 2016 12:11 PM
Edited by cleglaw at 12:14, 01 Aug 2016.

3 hours left to stream

i wonder what limbic will show? what kind of upgrades? what kind of new things?

my guess:
we will see new content+couple of suprises+fixes/upgrades. i think main purpose will be making peace with old players rather then reaching new fans... so i expect major improvements to gameplay.

edit: you gotta be kidding me lol. this team...

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Selpen
Selpen


Adventuring Hero
posted August 01, 2016 12:21 PM

What's Antalyan's excsuse right now?

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TD
TD


Promising
Famous Hero
posted August 01, 2016 12:30 PM

Selpen said:
What's Antalyan's excsuse right now?


Perhaps their game crashed after numerous bugs were found when they tried the final version today. As result they felt it would result in lower sales so canceling the stream was the only option

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frostymuaddib
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Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
posted August 01, 2016 01:12 PM

This is not even a surprise, lol.

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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted August 01, 2016 01:16 PM

No rush, we'll be waiting with extreme anticipation. Maybe ^^
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Zeki
Zeki


Supreme Hero
sup
posted August 01, 2016 01:24 PM



Feels like the entire mm budget was cut to 3€ and a croissant/prezel depending on your location..
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Avonu
Avonu


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
posted August 01, 2016 01:43 PM

Selpen said:
What's Antalyan's excsuse right now?


Give him a break. Some people still had hope for this game and what in exchange they got from Ubisoft? This annoucement, few hours before stream deadline.

Don't you think it's enough for him for today?
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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted August 01, 2016 01:45 PM

He'll learn.
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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
posted August 01, 2016 01:45 PM

Verriker said:
lol


The Enrothian Conservative Party comes to the rescue! If enough people are interested I may be able to stream Ashan to the trashcan mod expansion
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