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ChrisD1
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posted October 06, 2014 11:29 PM |
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archwarl0ck said:
ChrisD1 said:
aybody else noticed there is "dung" in dungeon? (it's late sorry )
Anybody notice that there's "NO" in Inferno? That's why they won't win. 
haha well played, i salute you
i dunno but i have this feeling that inferno is not going to be the foretress here.
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Valen-Teen
Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
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posted October 06, 2014 11:33 PM |
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Hotarubi
Known Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 04:32 AM |
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Edited by Hotarubi at 05:11, 07 Oct 2014.
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Elvin said:
It does not help anyone and only helps prolong this vicious circle. Jeremiah may have a different point of view than most but he can be a reasonable guy if treated with respect. Doing so is in everyone's best interest.
Avirosb said:
I wish I could treat everyone with an equal amount of respect but I'm too progressive 
But I agree, let's never ever bring up gender again. It's prolly for the best.
Forgive me for vehemently disagreeing with both of you.
I know of Emo's history at Sucks, and the only thing I see here is an insecure individual's claim to power/attention/control. Reasonable? Well then. I suppose my take on that might not have much clout, but I will say the following:
To Avirosb: Why should any of us stop talking about gender because one person... ONE person finds any form of female empowerment debasing, insulting, intruding, emasculating? Christ, take your pick. Think about that for a second. There is no reason to make a certain topic taboo, whether via unofficial mores or forum rules, because one person tends to create large somethings about seemingly harmless nothings.
My advice. Talk about gender as much as any of you would want. I know I will. There were no limits before (apart from any deliberate foul/offensive language in relation to gender/sexuality).
BUT I do agree, baiting Emo is a recipe for disaster. How "entertaining" is it to see the same things being said over and over (It's not and never was)? Take the high road and don't bother referencing his name every time anything gender related comes up. It serves no purpose for the community other than a long drawn out spectacle.
EDIT: I don't mean to say that Emo's the only one who finds female empowerment intruding. Everyone's got an opinion and everyone should in theory be free to express it within respectable limits. What I was trying to get at was, when gender comes up, suddenly a lot of the discussion veers in relation to Emo. For one person to have that kind of control over discourse... nuh uh. Like I said. Talk about gender in the context of a fantasy game. But there's no function in making the discussion in relation to Emo. Many of you have given him notoriety. Fair do. But control?
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 05:00 AM |
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I agree. It just doesnt make sense to have to censor ourselves about one topic because one member has issues with it when you could just ban him and get over it.
Now that being said, I wonder who was Biara before being a succubus. I wish Shadya was real and dungeon campaign was her story as a Soulscar and Shades of Flames (XD) continued it.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted October 07, 2014 07:53 AM |
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Dungeon - 56%
Inferno - 44%
A percentage better for Inferno!
Come on demons, blast those dark elves away!!
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jackson
Known Hero
Random Spirit Lover
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posted October 07, 2014 08:22 AM |
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Elvin said:
War-overlord said:
Sandro400 said:
Hm, Jeremiah suddenly dissapeared from here... I think Tatyana-Leonid was too much for him 
I wish people would stop baiting him so. It's too easy, not funny and exceptionally disruptive of the argument that is had at the time. Also we burden the mods who have then go about deleting the off-topicness.
Quoted for emphasis.
It does not help anyone and only helps prolong this vicious circle. Jeremiah may have a different point of view than most but he can be a reasonable guy if treated with respect. Doing so is in everyone's best interest.
Elvin, I am so sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one...
First of all, let me say that I've never attempted to bait JeremiahEmo, and I do not think people should intentionally bait JeremiahEmo, but recently I did jump on them after they said something that I have no doubt was ill-intended. It was something about female units. It's the only time I've ever leaped on anyone out of exasperation on this forum. Honestly, in general, I try to be as respectful as possible to everyone, and I think most of my posts support that statement. This of course includes people that have a "different point of view" than mine. However, while I did jump on JeremiahEmo, let me explain why their post, like so many of their posts, was ill-intended and why, to be blunt, they don't always deserve our respect.
It is important for me to say that I would, without a doubt, be completely respectful toward JeremiahEmo all the time if they, themselves, were respectful. But they are not respectful.
To explain... Most of their posts on here are, in one way or another, complaining about women. I've read many - so many - too many - of their posts, and very, very, very few have been unrelated to their distaste for women.
Sure, after backlash, JeremiahEmo now generally tries to make their sexism appear more "reasonable" by hiding it behind statements like "that design is horrible" and "that unit is so unrealistic," but the persistent pattern is that they complain about and degrade pretty much every female at pretty much every opportunity.
This is not simply "having a different point of view." This is being is disrespectful to women. These posts are not simply expressing opinions. They are expressing disrespect towards womankind.
JeremiahEmo may be capable of being respectful to you, but they're being disrespectful to women. That's a lot of people. A lot of human beings.
That's messed up. That shouldn't be okay. Regardless of whether or not they try to hide it behind supposed reasonableness, this is a sexist "point of view" - sometimes expressed more blatantly, sometimes more subtly, but it's still a sexist "point of view."
Sexism is not reasonable. Sexism is not respectful. And we shouldn't be quiet about it just to avoid conflict.
Let me be clear. If they genuinely just didn't like a unit's aesthetic design or something innocent like that, there would be no problem. But I've read plenty of their posts to know that it's nothing innocent like that. When they say things like "horrible design," it's clear that they're referring to the unit's status as a female, as a woman. And this is sexism. It's not reasonable. It's not respectful.
I'm going to repeat here that I don't think people should bait them. So yes, I do agree with you on that. And if they're posting something that's unrelated to gender, something that isn't steeped in sexism, then of course we should be nice and respectful.
But. If they're posting things that are steeped in sexism, that are being disrespectful to so many people, so many human beings, then we shouldn't just let them continue, unimpeded, providing a safe space for their sexism.
While I don't think we should bait JeremiahEmo, I also think we should never create a safe space for sexism. That's what your post seemed to suggest, the message I received from reading your post, and that's what I'm opposing.
Let me also be clear that I don't hate JeremiahEmo. I don't hate the person, I hate the sexism. I don't think they're a horrible person, but we shouldn't be respecting them when they're disrespecting womankind.
Anyway, I'm sorry for the the long, heavy, and negative post. I really hope I was able to express this clearly. At least somewhat clearly. I wish I had more time to refine this post. I'm sorry if any parts of this appear to be in any way in bad spirit. I only have the best of intentions when writing about this and I hope you have some idea where I'm coming from... Hugs for everyone.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 07, 2014 08:39 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 08:39, 07 Oct 2014.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted October 07, 2014 09:11 AM |
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agree with all of the previous posts,
sorry but don't expect us to bend over backwards for somebody who militates against the entire female gender, like I've said before that's a lot, LOT of HC members and or potential members, (and Survivor fans too I guess lol),
"different point of view?" lol that's one way to put it,
as long as that individual's "different point of view" is an agenda to make all women feel unwelcome, where he is clearly succeeding mind you, it's frankly fair play for his horrible, backwards views to be mocked, even if I myself wouldn't be caught dead dignifying him with a mention
but yeah unless that dude offers an apology and changes his ways, don't expect us to simply put up with his prejudiced trolling drivel no matter how reasonable you personally think it is,
if you wouldn't be seen empowering a racist, please don't ask me to tolerate a sexist either
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted October 07, 2014 09:12 AM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Dungeon - 56%
Inferno - 44%
A percentage better for Inferno!
Its been 56-44 for last few days... At least for me.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 09:15 AM |
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dark-whisperer said:
DoubleDeck said:
Dungeon - 56%
Inferno - 44%
A percentage better for Inferno!
Its been 56-44 for last few days... At least for me.
i am so excited about that percentage!!!
we all know they will pull somth out of the hat to switch the numbers! i wonder what that will be! they won't let dungeon win!!
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blizz
Known Hero
of temper grace
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posted October 07, 2014 10:28 AM |
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Whatever they will reveal on the factions will just strengthen the dungeon because it's just a superior faction all around.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 10:33 AM |
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verriker said:
Stevie said:
Cheese and crackers, here we go again... 
well what can I say dude, we don't like plotholes,
when we're convinced they'll stop creating plotholes, we'll quit complaining about the plotholes, it's not an unfair deal lol
Very much this.
Look, I do not question Marzhin's writing skills, which I regard highly. I consider the Adventure Packs the best storytelling since Ubisoft acquired the franchise and with Marzhin being the head, if not the only, writer of those. The problem lies entirely with the source material he is forced to work with.
The current cannon is ridden with stupid rules. And so far, what we see is trying to fix stupid rules, by piling more rules on top of that. But that only makes things more messy and convoluted, whereas repealing the stupid rules would solve things a lot less messily.
And they have had the perfect opportunity to do so, by not making another prequell. As the Apocalypse follwing the Coming of the Dark Messiah would have been a great excuse to scrap a lot of the current stupid rules and create a new template, or even pull a HeroesIV and move to a new world. But no, we're again stuck with a sequell that cannot mess with the existing canon.
And the best way of not geting convoluted workarounds and piling more rules on top old stupid rules, is by not asking them to work with those rules in the first place. I want Marzhin and the other writers to challenge their skills with writing a good story, instead of facing the challenge of finding workarounds and covering plotholes.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 10:49 AM |
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They even got themselves a second chance: The Void made it possible to UNDO the whole thing, basically create a completely new Ashan and redo the past - they would have only let Sandro succeed instead of foiling him and so Asha and Urgash could have started anew. Would have been an interesting campaign, playing Sandro and eliminate it all. 
Unsatisfactory.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 07, 2014 10:54 AM |
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yes there are so many ways to finally destroy this Ashan
and move on to new universe.
sadly this not happening anytime soon.
however glad they are making prequels not sequels
so they still leave possibilities for ashan destruction by hands of dark messiah in future,
if there is any future for Homm..
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted October 07, 2014 10:59 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
They even got themselves a second chance: The Void made it possible to UNDO the whole thing, basically create a completely new Ashan and redo the past - they would have only let Sandro succeed instead of foiling him and so Asha and Urgash could have started anew. Would have been an interesting campaign, playing Sandro and eliminate it all.
The problem is that Sandro was finally killed not long before H5. It was Cyrus who killed him and this is what elevated him to position of First of the Circle in Silver Cities.
Sandro failed in his quest to undo Ashan.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 11:09 AM |
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blizz said:
Whatever they will reveal on the factions will just strengthen the dungeon because it's just a superior faction all around.
i guess you said that for strength/balance.
it might be superior and i understand that.i will be happy if dungeon wins actually. my preference sides with inferno, but that does not mean i dislike dungeon.
but i think they will help inferno a little to make things interesting. so the reveal will most likely help the side who is losing right now.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 11:11 AM |
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That's another disadvantage of prequels: no surprises, right? I mean, no matter what you do, everything did already happen.
Still, strictly spoken, I don't see a strict paradox here, on the contrary: IF Sandro had succeeded, then HoMM 5 wouldn't have happened, and considering that HoMM 5 isn't fitting in anyway now...
But that's speculation anyway. The game will take place in the limbo of the past. We know already that Ivan will succeed, so there is basically no need to enact that. Maybe the fact that the setting allows the 6 faction campaigns to be unconnected, will produce quality stuff without this save-the-universe ado, and to be fair, campaigns the HoMM 4 way is what many people want.
The only snag is, that the basic setting in which this takes place is somewhat unsatisfactory. Two Elven factions, an isolated Inferno faction, stagnating factions without any hope of seeing a new one emerging from who knows what...
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 11:14 AM |
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ChrisD1 said:
but i think they will help inferno a little to make things interesting. so the reveal will most likely help the side who is losing right now.
Has that tinfoil hat of yours finally fused with your skull?
@JJ:
Which is what we've been complaining about since HVI, basically.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 07, 2014 11:33 AM |
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Oh yes, we have, on all levels and not exactly subdued or whispering it.
To no avail, though.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 07, 2014 11:34 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Oh yes, we have, on all levels and not exactly subdued or whispering it.
To no avail, though.
Nay, but I still have hope once Erwan moves on.
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