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Sandro400
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Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 21, 2014 11:01 PM |
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DoubleDeck said:
Since H7 begins in 843 YSD, will the campaigns be based on these stories (843 - 853 YSD)?
It begins in 853 YSD, TotTYW are a "prologue" to the main campaign.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted October 21, 2014 11:02 PM |
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Who would've guessed that this "hated" Ashan universe could create such an active discussion group with it's lore.
The problem for me is that if Ubi-Heroes campaigns were truly memorable I would probably be interested in this whole lore thing. But aside from some minor elements I don't give a snow about "how the Griffin Empire came to be" and other stuff, cus the games simply don't deliver...
Such a shame for Marzhin, cause, although his work is appreciated by many fans, his talent is wasted, cus after the games release, not many people, aside for some hardcore lore maniacs, will remember all those articles. That can be an object for change of course, if we'll finally get a Heroes campaign mode that we deserve...
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted October 21, 2014 11:06 PM |
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Yeah, speaking of dates.... could somebody (and if that somebody is Marzhin, that would be wonderful) explain to me what's happening with the dates in parts 4 and 5?
Part 4 says the war started in June 846 YSD and first fights were in September and October. Then came a light winter and then in 847 YSD the real fights began and in December 847 YSD Stefan joined in to stop the Bull duke.
Then in part 5 Stefan fights the Bull duke in ... January 847 YSD??
Shouldn't part 5 start in 848 YSD?
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 21, 2014 11:21 PM |
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AcidDragon said:
Yeah, speaking of dates.... could somebody (and if that somebody is Marzhin, that would be wonderful) explain to me what's happening with the dates in parts 4 and 5?
I'm not Marzhin, but I'll try.
1) After tragedy of Maiden's Way the war was declared in 6th month 846.
2) In 8th and 10th months started the first skirmishes.
3) Siege of Bayworth started in 11th month (winter) 846 and lasted until 5th month of 847.
4) The battle for Millfield was in 7th month 846, Unicorn lost.
5) Enguerrand, who stuck at Bayworth, decided then to strike at Kilburn instead. Ivan goes to Rowena's aid.
6) Amilcar caught Tatyana in 8th month 846.
7) After two month (in 10th) Amilcar goes into Griffin lands.
8) On the 1st day of the 12th month 846 Stefan enters the war.
9) 1st and 2nd months of 847 - Wolf wons 5 battles, loses two.
10) spring is coming, real battles are about to begin.
11) 2nd month 847 - general battle between Unicorn&Griffin VS Greyhound.
12) winter comes, temperature drops in 9th month 847.
13) 11th month, "Ice Demons" come 
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 12:00 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
6) Amilcar caught Tatyana in 8th month 846
This doesn't seem to be correct. Because:
"What you should know is that Enguerrand’s armies, led by Garland of Blackstone, laid siege to Bayworth from Spider Queen, 846, to Azure Tides, 847, but they couldn’t breach the city walls."
"Enguerrand had lost at Bayworth (...) When news reached Ivan that Enguerrand was marching on Kilburn, the Lord of Griffin took his cavalry and rode west in all haste, leaving command of the main force to his trusted lieutenant, Justicar Tatyana of Stormgrad"
So in fact Amilcar caught Tatyana in 8th month 847.
The siege of Bayworth STARTED in 11th month of 846, so obviously Enguerrand could not "lose" Bayworth and start marching on Kilburn in 846.
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A8T
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 12:11 AM |
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Sandro400 said:
A8T said:
Loving these Articles!
Vladikraj, Cherna hills, Whitemane and Eastalon are all towns/cities from Heroes 6 Haven Campaign map number 2, "Fair is Foul and Foul is Fair". Voron's Peak is mentioned in the same map, and makes an appearance in the Tribes of the East Prolog map "A Murder of Crows" where you seemingly destroy it. And Ashwick you may remember as a rebelious town from early in the Heroes 5 Haven Campaign maps The Rebellion and The Siege (the 2nd town you ever see in the game!).
Can't agree more 
Good memory. But not perfect. The town where Unicorn&Griffin fought Greyhound is Ashwood, not Ashwick. Btw, both were in H5 (Ashwick is that rebellious town, Ashwood was a merchant's town). Ashwick was in H6 too and maybe Ashwood was there as well.
Ahh! But I went one further and checked the Campaign maps today. Ashwick was the Sulphur town that appears in the Wolf Duchy in H6 and also appears in H5 as a town specialisation, but does not necessarily appear in the campaign (well it probably appears hundreds of times the same way the supposedly dead Maeve Falcon appears as an enemy hero but likely non canonically). Ashwood however was that Market town that you only get on those two H5 Missions.
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NACHOOOO
Known Hero
Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 22, 2014 12:13 AM |
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Maurice said:
NACHOOOO said:
I'm HIV+ that's not the case
I'm sorry to hear that, but even so, HIV+ is not a bloodtype.
I knew there'd be someone who'd take it too seriously. Relax bud, just borrowing a joke from southpark
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 12:17 AM |
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This is so overcomplicated that I don't even wanna...
I'll just take in the general lines, that this Dutchy attacked this Dutchy and won/failed and just leave it at that. I would prolly look into it more closely but I don't see the point. Doesn't appeal to me that much to go that far and dissect everything.
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NACHOOOO
Known Hero
Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 22, 2014 12:34 AM |
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Today's story got me thinking about the combat terrain. I think it could be interesting to have different terrain types affect combat such as snow reducing all walkers movement by one. Cliff side battles could be windy and negatively affect flyers and shooters. You could even have uneven terrain, fighting from one side reduces movement by one while it increases it by one in the other direction. This would add another element to where you finish your heroes turn, more important at times to position your hero in defensive terrain instead of just using all your movement points. Mix that with the varying combat map sizes and it gets very interesting
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 12:49 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 00:49, 22 Oct 2014.
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I think it's a pretty good idea to spice up the battlefield. I myself was thinking about different terrain levels and some natural effects affecting the armies, like fog, swampy terrain, snowy terrain, winds and rain, etc. I think it would be fairly nice but I also think it's a bit too complicated for now for implementation. We must be a bit conservative at the beginning, trying to establish a good foundation for the game rather than attempting too much innovation.
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NACHOOOO
Known Hero
Pessimistically optimistic
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posted October 22, 2014 12:55 AM |
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Stevie said:
I think it's a pretty good idea to spice up the battlefield. I myself was thinking about different terrain levels and some natural effects affecting the armies, like fog, swampy terrain, snowy terrain, winds and rain, etc. I think it would be fairly nice but I also think it's a bit too complicated for now for implementation. We must be a bit conservative at the beginning, trying to establish a good foundation for the game rather than attempting too much innovation.
Yeah agreed, it's a thought for the future rather than the right now. Who knows though, it could be something implemented in an expansion.
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sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 22, 2014 06:59 AM |
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AcidDragon said:
So in fact Amilcar caught Tatyana in 8th month 847.
The siege of Bayworth STARTED in 11th month of 846, so obviously Enguerrand could not "lose" Bayworth and start marching on Kilburn in 846.
It isn't possible. He was already in the griffin duchy in the beginning of 847
No, actually he could. Bayworth turned out to be a tough nut to crack and his army stuck there with no success. Losing here means not the actual loss, but a loss of initiative and time. And it actually fitting that after defeat at ashwood unicorn army came at Clive's rescue, but the siege has already ended.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted October 22, 2014 09:04 AM |
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NACHOOOO said:
I knew there'd be someone who'd take it too seriously. Relax bud, just borrowing a joke from southpark
Ah, but I don't watch Southpark, so I didn't catch that reference. Like I also didn't catch the Lana Del Rey (I know she's a singer, but that's everything I know about her) reference someone else made in another topic here.
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
who lost his body somehow...
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posted October 22, 2014 09:04 AM |
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sandro400 said:
It isn't possible. He was already in the griffin duchy in the beginning of 847
No, actually he could. Bayworth turned out to be a tough nut to crack and his army stuck there with no success. Losing here means not the actual loss, but a loss of initiative and time. And it actually fitting that after defeat at ashwood unicorn army came at Clive's rescue, but the siege has already ended.
Where did you get the info on him being in the Griffin dutchy in the beginning of 847?
Again. The Bayworth siege started in 11th month 846, so he could not "lose" even a hair on his chest before that. Especially not in month 8. And it is stated that the events of the Kilburn march happened after his loss of Bayworth ("Enguerrand had lost at Bayworth, but Kilburn was still within his grasp."), so even if you don't interpret the loss as a literally loss, then still the siege should at least START.
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sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 22, 2014 09:29 AM |
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AcidDragon said:
Where did you get the info on him being in the Griffin dutchy in the beginning of 847?
Again. The Bayworth siege started in 11th month 846, so he could not "lose" even a hair on his chest before that. Especially not in month 8. And it is stated that the events of the Kilburn march happened after his loss of Bayworth ("Enguerrand had lost at Bayworth, but Kilburn was still within his grasp."), so even if you don't interpret the loss as a literally loss, then still the siege should at least START.
Eeeem... Did you read the new article? Stefan was fighting Amilcar in the first months of 847 in the Griffin Duchy.
And again, he didn't lose a thing before Bayworth. He lost a battle of Ashwood which was in 847.
I don't see a contradiction. He besieged Bayworth and couldn't take it by blitzkrieg, so he decided to take Kilburn. Ivan rushed for help, while Amilcar caught Tatyana. The battle for Kilburn happenned in 847, not in 846.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted October 22, 2014 10:09 AM |
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Can't wait to read the full book.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 10:27 AM |
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Can't wait to play the game.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 10:59 AM |
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Can't wait to read more comments about Haven and how it sucks because there are no Griffins in it.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted October 22, 2014 11:12 AM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Can't wait to read more comments about Haven and how it sucks because there are no Griffins in it.
Yeah people are spamming this comments at Haven page.
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AcidDragon
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 22, 2014 11:16 AM |
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sandro400 said:
Eeeem... Did you read the new article? Stefan was fighting Amilcar in the first months of 847 in the Griffin Duchy.
Yes, but I started my question saying that in my eyes that parts 4 and 5 are contradictory and if we assume part 4 is "correct" then part 5 should take place in 848, not 847.
sandro400 said:
And again, he didn't lose a thing before Bayworth. He lost a battle of Ashwood which was in 847.
I don't see a contradiction. He besieged Bayworth and couldn't take it by blitzkrieg, so he decided to take Kilburn. Ivan rushed for help, while Amilcar caught Tatyana. The battle for Kilburn happenned in 847, not in 846.
I think we don't understand each other so I'm just going to wait for another explanation, if anybody is so kind.
In my eyes it goes like this (in chronological order):
1. Siege at Bayworth started - month 11, 846
2. "Enguerrand had lost at Bayworth" and is marching to Kilburn - month 5, 847. In the same time Ivan is still leading his army (after month 11, 846)
3. Ivan separates from his army, leaves command to Tatyana - month 5-6, 847
4. Tatyana cought by Amilcar - month 8, 847.
For sure this is a sequence of events told in part 4 - exactly in this order. Assuming it is not a chronological order is, of course, possible but I just don't see a clear indication that this is the case. That's why I asked for an explanation.
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