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Zombi_Wizzard
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posted January 24, 2015 08:09 PM |
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Stevie said:
So they told us in advance that they're gonna feed us the same Heroes 6 crap again and that's supposed to cut it? I think they expect us to appreciate it too, right? The problem is not that they warned us, the problem is that they did it anyway in spite of all the criticism. Them just bringing excuses before the fact just proves that they knew they were at fault.
I totaly agree with you Stevie. But your opinion or my opinion does not matter to Ubi one bit. Here's reality for you. Erwan. Does. Not. Care. It's as simple as that. Marzhin told you this: Majority of people like the new Necropolis. If this is true or not is not relevant. Ubi belives it to be so, and will continue this path. If they don't belive it, they want to belive it, and will force it to us. Simple. It's their game. We can buy it, or we can not.
Stevie said:
Here's something for you, and Erwan alike because he doesn't seem to get it either: I don't care about Ashan, I care about good creatures and good factions. In this case, Necropolis. The Ashan version is NOT what you expect a Necropolis to be. Not in the slightest. Not in the lore since they're just a bunch of outcast overzealous heretics worshiping a Spider image, not in the creatures that look nothing alike undead, with some exceptions. Take this one for instance:
#Image of H7 Vampire#
Tell me just ONE feature that connects this creature with the idea of a vampire. I dare you take this test: show this to someone in your house who doesn't play video games and ask him/her what he/she believes it represents. I took it with my mom and she said "knight with sword".
Again I agree. I stated multiple times. I hate how Vampire looks. And it's same emo swordsman in H5, H6 and H7. I'm sorry but it is. H3 was ONLY good vampire in my opinion. "Dracula" in tuxedo DOES NOT FIT ON THE BATTLEFIELD. PERIOD. And to me it's the same "prety boy" look, just from diferent period and diferent fashion. I hate that. If you show my grandma immage of H4 Vampire she'll say it's Frank Sinatra. There you go, as generation gap is conserned.
Now you assume I don't get it (I guess you were refering to my post, since as it was the only one non-hatefull), but trust me. I do get it. And likewise I don't care about lore nor Ashan. But Erwan cares. And here is a fact. If you want to change Necropolis, you must cancel Ashan. There is no way around it. That means rework on ALL factions. It has been established. And again. Marzhin said that: "H6 art style of Necropolis is cannon art style now". This means, it won't change. No matter how much the few people on this forums protest.
Stevie said:
And excuse me, but Heroes 5 Necropolis was tons better than this Heroes 6 recycle. That's one of the reason it was declared non-canon.
This logic is false. It was declared non-canon, because the story didn't fit with "new vision" Erwan had in mind for H6. For all intents and purposes H5 was "only" H3 remake, and H6 was "first" game in Ashan. And It's YOUR opinion that H5 Necro was better, not mine. I didn't play H4 much, so it was more or less direct transition from H3 to H5 for me. And when I first saw Necropolis in H5, I'm sorry, but I almost puked. And this is the truth. However, H5 is still one of my favourite games in series DESPITE this, and not BEACAUSE of this. Artstyle is subjective, if you like it or not. Only creature that I kinda liked was the H5 Lich. The rest were just awful wanna-be WoW clones. Zombie was the worst. And green or later purple smoke was coming from every creatue just like in H6. There was none of this snow in H3. I am sorry but H7 version is better that this BY A LARGE MARGIN.
Stevie said:
If you can accept the franchise being compromised because of someone's Ashan crap then you have low standards. I won't accept this forced snow and I will be a critic about it since they target me as a potential buyer. If they don't want to listen then they can take their product and shove it down their butt holes.
Here's the truth again. It does not matter if you "accept" it or not. This is how it is. Your accepting or not accepting will change nothing. This is the reality. They make the game. You can buy it if you like it. You can not buy it if you don't. And they will not listen to few hardcore fans, but lots of casual ones. Their opinion will always prevail. It is sad. And I am sad. But it is the truth.
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:11 PM |
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Would you guys want to see a vampire like this?
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted January 24, 2015 08:13 PM |
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shadowdust said:
artu said:
And saying a bite attack will be hard to implement in 3D (hence the sword) doesnt really make any sense, people pulled off much harder things in 3D.
Harder to see, because most of the time units are only as big as your finger tip.
I like sword, give him wider range to slash his enemy.
You dont have to see the fangs buried deep in the victims neck in close up, something that rouhgly looks like a classical vampire attack can easily be pulled off in 3D.
And no, dont let them slash the enemy with a sword. Let's give dragons maces instead of fire breath then and how about wizards with long bows?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted January 24, 2015 08:15 PM |
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Stormcaller said:
Would you guys want to see a vampire like this?
This is Man-Bat, not a vampire. I would prefer to see (if sexy one would be replaced, what I highly doubt), then Dracula played by Christopher Lee would be the best.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted January 24, 2015 08:17 PM |
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you almost sound like Ubi's damage control team there Zombi_Wizzard, wouldn't happen to be going bald under that hood of yours would you?  lol just kidding
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:17 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 20:18, 24 Jan 2015.
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Vampire attacking with a sword is fine for me, sometimes looks silly that vampire bites a Golem for example
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted January 24, 2015 08:21 PM |
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Someone refresh my memory please. When was the last time mentioned that vampires need to drink blood at all? All I can remember is the stupid namtaru venom BS. Is it actually correct to call them Vampires at this point?
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted January 24, 2015 08:21 PM |
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I prefer even the man-bat to the current knight with Voltran sword, it can at least be associated with vampirism.
@minion
But they didnt drain life from the golems, so the bite doing physical damage is mot much different than gremlins' sling shot doing damage on iron.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:23 PM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
Here's the truth again. It does not matter if you "accept" it or not. This is how it is. Your accepting or not accepting will change nothing. This is the reality. They make the game. You can buy it if you like it. You can not buy it if you don't. And they will not listen to few hardcore fans, but lots of casual ones. Their opinion will always prevail. It is sad. And I am sad. But it is the truth.
But you are SO wrong on this one! And the fact that they took in insiders and shut down Heroes 6 after just one expansion to start fresh with Heroes 7 just proves that. Even the voting and the blog are a result of the fanbase being so infuriated with what Heroes became that the devs had to take us into consideration. If you think they don't pay attention to us, you're just wrong, and there are a lot of examples for that. Even the recent random system was a result out of pressure.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:24 PM |
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Vampire attacking with a sword is fine for me, sometimes looks silly that vampire bites a Golem for example
They are superhumans with jaws that can rend steel and stuff. It's not that weird when you think about it. They also have claws, so.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted January 24, 2015 08:25 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 20:27, 24 Jan 2015.
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I'm waiting for upgraded units update till than my judgment is on hold. I would propose this for future refrence.
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shadowdust
Hired Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:27 PM |
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artu said:
shadowdust said:
artu said:
And saying a bite attack will be hard to implement in 3D (hence the sword) doesnt really make any sense, people pulled off much harder things in 3D.
Harder to see, because most of the time units are only as big as your finger tip.
I like sword, give him wider range to slash his enemy.
You dont have to see the fangs buried deep in the victims neck in close up, something that rouhgly looks like a classical vampire attack can easily be pulled off in 3D.
And no, dont let them slash the enemy with a sword. Let's give dragons maces instead of fire breath then and how about wizards with long bows?
What I mean is, when unit are in the size of finge tip, the bite attack will hard to express and it may look like the vampire deeps kiss his enemy. xp
Sword is my personal prefer, it sure gives wider range to attack. Maces and bow don't give any benefit for dragon and wizard (though I like the idea of a combat wizard use magic bow)
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 24, 2015 08:33 PM |
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Dayum Ashan vampire. Do you even blah son?!
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:39 PM |
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I'm rather fond of the draining sword, personally. I think trying to bite someone in a combat situation would look awkward and silly.
I am curious, however, where people would place vampires if, say, they took what they currently have as vampires and alter the lore so they weren't "vampires" but instead thralls to the soul-sucking blades they carry. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:43 PM |
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Kimarous said:
I'm rather fond of the draining sword, personally. I think trying to bite someone in a combat situation would look awkward and silly.
I am curious, however, where people would place vampires if, say, they took what they currently have as vampires and alter the lore so they weren't "vampires" but instead thralls to the soul-sucking blades they carry. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
I also like sword more than just Vampire with claws. That said, it doesn't mean that it couldn't work but I still prefer Vampire Knights.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:45 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 20:46, 24 Jan 2015.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:47 PM |
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verriker said:
you almost sound like Ubi's damage control team there Zombi_Wizzard, wouldn't happen to be going bald under that hood of yours would you? lol just kidding
Lol I hate Ubi. I despise them. I hope Heroes get out of their hands and to some other developer. There. But I just like how Necro in H7 looks, and I'm sorry about my taste.
And about the insiders etc. That was probably a media stunt, so it would seem like they care. They took people who agree with their vision I think.
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Wellplay
Famous Hero
Poland Stronk
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posted January 24, 2015 08:52 PM |
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Edited by Wellplay at 20:55, 24 Jan 2015.
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Minastir is spot on with needed changes to elite, but i would keep current color of vampire. 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 24, 2015 08:54 PM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
And about the insiders etc. That was probably a media stunt, so it would seem like they care. They took people who agree with their vision I think.
LOL
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted January 24, 2015 08:55 PM |
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Stevie said:
You guys want vampire knights? Here:
http://i.imgur.com/KkkSIhw.jp
Made by Minastir.
Now make the sword a bit smaller and they'd be perfect for me. The red on the cape fits them so much...
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