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Sir_Godspeed
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posted January 26, 2015 10:53 PM |
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Disregardng Marzhin's comment regarding the full name of the unit, it could've just as easily have simply been an armed sea elf mariner. No need for them to be pirates per se.
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LightAvatarX
Known Hero
Water,Earth,Fire,Air
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posted January 26, 2015 10:55 PM |
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What a snow?
How many pages do that issue has?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 26, 2015 10:56 PM |
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xerox said:
We can have Sea Elves but not new Vampire and Lich models?
Priorities...
And I acknowledge these priorities. Something new vs seen 10 times :-P.
Nhee, now for real, there might be a realistic chance that the sea elf took a spot of a new lich/vampire but on the other hand, YAY more units. And you don't have to play necro :-).
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 11:00 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 23:02, 26 Jan 2015.
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LightAvatarX said:
What a snow?
How many pages do that issue has?
LOL! This is not all about Necropolis, only the recent pages have been. The thread is dedicated to Heroes 7 discussions in general.
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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supertommy
Known Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 11:01 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Actually this unit's full name is Sea Elf Pirate.
I've always been fond of pirates and thieves as neutrals, as they like to operate on their own. Wish we could get the return of the green Troll from Heroes 3. That hit you with a meat club. 
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted January 26, 2015 11:05 PM |
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Nhee, now for real, there might be a realistic chance that the sea elf took a spot of a new lich/vampire but on the other hand, YAY more units. And you don't have to play necro :-).
Personally, I'm not a fan of the Sea Elf (and elven units in general), but I'm a big fan of Necropolis, if we get the creatures I hated so much in H6, I won't buy the game, even if the grim reaper is awesome
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted January 26, 2015 11:06 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 23:11, 26 Jan 2015.
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Marzhin said:
Actually this unit's full name is Sea Elf Pirate.
Too...much...cloth...needs...more...skin...[looks on Radiant Glory]...[takes a deep breath]...
...guess times are a changin'!
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LightAvatarX
Known Hero
Water,Earth,Fire,Air
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posted January 26, 2015 11:07 PM |
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Yeah but...422
They are at sure more than shadow council's one!
And just I suggest that but the
...said isn't very normal!
It's annoying just write
@...
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Sir_Godspeed
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 26, 2015 11:07 PM |
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supertommy said:
Marzhin said:
Actually this unit's full name is Sea Elf Pirate.
I've always been fond of pirates and thieves as neutrals, as they like to operate on their own. Wish we could get the return of the green Troll from Heroes 3. That hit you with a meat club.
Yeah, I remember it felt a bit odd that the basic unit of Chaos in H4 was a bandit. I imagined a massive pitched battle with a thousand bandits skulking about. 
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Marzhin
Shaper of Lore
Designer & Writer, Ubisoft
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posted January 26, 2015 11:10 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Marzhin, could you please tell us what's going to happen with h7 necropolis? Have the devs changed their mind, what have they said?
It's not my place to answer this question.
Here are my thoughts about it, that don't necessarily represent the thoughts of the whole team at Limbic or Ubisoft. This is my own, personal opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
Let's imagine we do get the budget needed to rework the units. In the end, the Vampire would still be a Ashan Vampire, the Lich would still be a Ashan Lich... So those who just hope for a non-Ashan Necropolis without Spider theme and with skeletal Liches and Bela Lugosi Vampires would still be disappointed.
To be honest, I'd rather have us focus the time, energy and money towards stuff like having more neutral buildings, more neutrals, sim turns, etc. Heroes 2 reused a lot of stuff from Heroes 1 and is still the best game of the series (in my opinion, at least  )
Also, every time someone spams the comment sections with copy-pasted whining and personal attacks, I think all they deserve is to NOT get what they want. But as I said, I'm not the one in charge of these questions (fortunately, maybe )
Again, this is just my own personal opinion, not any sort of official statement. I truly don't know what will happen next.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted January 26, 2015 11:11 PM |
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@Marzhin
On the subject of neutrals: I'll use this occasion to ask. Can you spill some beans about that little bit about Gold Dragons in one of the blog entries?
Pretty please?
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supertommy
Known Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 11:12 PM |
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Sim turns, I agree that is important!
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted January 26, 2015 11:14 PM |
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Well said. I agree about H2 btw 
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Darkem
Known Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 11:19 PM |
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Edited by Darkem at 23:19, 26 Jan 2015.
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I completely agree with Marzhin's point of view. Moreover, if you hate these models so much remember that community of Heroes fans has one of the best modders in the gaming world. They soon will create new textures. I don't play Heroes VI much, but I did like atmosphere of the Necropolis, Heroes VII may allow me to entirely enjoy the game and the faction.
PS. Even a small "tweak" would please the fans. New head and cloak for the vampire? More rugged textures for the Lich?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 26, 2015 11:20 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
Personally, I'm not a fan of the Sea Elf (and elven units in general), but I'm a big fan of Necropolis, if we get the creatures I hated so much in H6, I won't buy the game, even if the grim reaper is awesome
In a certain way I understand you, and in a different way I don't. I understand everybody who loves necropolis and is displeased with the line-up, even if I'm not that enthusiastic about that faction.
From the roster of 6 we have, my favorite one is Stronghold, and I have high hopes for it, as many had for necropolis. But even if it will not meet my, rather high, expectations it won't be a deciding point if I will buy the game or not.
And this is what I don't understand. For me, the most important thing still is gameplay. And until I have a chance to try the game out, I'm not going to say "not buying this thing". Especially for reason like individual model aesthetics.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted January 26, 2015 11:20 PM |
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Marzhin said:
Heroes 2 reused a lot of stuff from Heroes 1 and is still the best game of the series (in my opinion, at least )
it most definitely didn't try to copy and paste Heroes 1's creature sprites though, lol
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 26, 2015 11:23 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 01:22, 27 Jan 2015.
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Marzhin said:
(...)
So what, are we supposed to accept that outrageous copy-paste because "it can't be done otherwise"? Hell no!
I don't care how they're gonna do it, they shouldn't have decided this in the first place. It was a TERRIBLE idea. Spiders and Lamasu are just tasteless choices especially when there were other, better creatures to choose from, like zombie, mummy, even the ghoul or some other more novel creature like a Bone construct. The vampires and liches are a given but not those models! Hasn't Ubisoft learned anything in that regards from the feedback they got with Heroes 6? They're just a blatant and offensive copy paste, lol!
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Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted January 26, 2015 11:26 PM |
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Speaking of which, am I the only one that actually likes Lamassus in H6...
(...)
...please, not in the face!
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 26, 2015 11:27 PM |
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verriker said:
Marzhin said:
Heroes 2 reused a lot of stuff from Heroes 1 and is still the best game of the series (in my opinion, at least )
it most definitely didn't try to copy and paste Heroes 1's creature sprites though, lol
they just copied everything else. Including stats, abilities and costs of units; spell and hero icons; and most core mechanics except the magic system...
But this aside
If the skin of the vampire and lich is the biggest problem, I would rather see the community fixing this then Ubi.
Ubi could focus on core things like more content. And I know that there are a lot of talented people here.
For Example the skins of Yuki onna from H6 era pops into my mind.
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blob2 said:
Speaking of which, am I the only one that actually likes Lamassus in H6...
(...)
...please, not in the face!
I like the concept.. its execution is something to talk about
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted January 26, 2015 11:27 PM |
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Quote:
Let's imagine we do get the budget needed to rework the units. In the end, the Vampire would still be a Ashan Vampire, the Lich would still be a Ashan Lich... So those who just hope for a non-Ashan Necropolis without Spider theme and with skeletal Liches and Bela Lugosi Vampires would still be disappointed.
Ok, thanks for clarifying it out, I will skip this iteration for now (no offense to you or the team), I'm picky when it comes to art decisions, if I don't like how something looks, no matter how good it is gameplay wise, I don't play with it. So I will probably just go back to H3 to finish my modding projects.
Though, no matter or vulgar or licentious it's the crowd, they are still customers and a lot of them expressed they don't agree with these models, I just believe it's a stubborn move to hang on the lore like this. Again that's just my personal opinion.
I will also keep my affirmations that the h6 concepts are bad. Also, could you answer me why did they chose to stick with them even tough most people criticized them (the h6 lich especially)?
Until this issue won't be fixed, the comment sections will spill vitriol everywhere, why is a compromise too much?
Quote:
Heroes 2 reused a lot of stuff from Heroes 1 and is still the best game of the series (in my opinion, at least )
At least the creatures didn't used the creature same sprites.
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