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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted April 18, 2015 12:52 AM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 00:58, 18 Apr 2015.
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alcibiades said:
clegaw: Where did you get the idea that if a skill is your main skill, you start with first level for free? That is not true afaik. - but maybe I just missed this info?
no source, i guess i just assume as it is like this: start with main skills, and develope them like in heroes 3, cause system looks a lot like heroes 3 to my opinion.. besides what makes the difference between main and regular skills? i dont see any except ultimate skill. but again, no source, more like an assumption, like all magic schools having 8 spells in it 
its acctually brilliant, thinking of h3, instead of making seperate two skills(wisdom +magic school skill) they merged them into one, kept 7 magic schools system of h6, bringed grandmastr tier level idea in h4 to the pot and last, they shaped them in a wheel like in H5... good formula.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted April 18, 2015 09:40 AM |
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cleglaw said:
number of air spells(instant damage)=3
novice-1
master-1
ultimate-1
Sorry Cleglaw, but from what did you get the impression that the Ultimate perk is an active buff? From what I understand it is a passive. Something like "Chilling bones" in H5.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted April 18, 2015 09:57 AM |
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cleglaw said:
0 point spent = 3 of 21 spells(1st level spells)
1 point spent, novice = +2 spells(2nd level spells of chosen school)
1 point spent, expert = +2 spells(3rd level spells of chosen school)
1 point spent, master = +1 spell(4th level spell of choosen school)
total of 3 point spent to gain access to all 4 levels of chosen magic school.
Iirc you need to unlock a perk to be able to achieve the next mastery level, so your table will become:
0 point spent = 3 of 21 spells(1st level spells)
1 point spent, novice = +2 spells(2nd level spells of chosen school)
2 point spent, expert = +2 spells(3rd level spells of chosen school)
2 point spent, master = +1 spell(4th level spell of choosen school)
Total of 5 points spent to gain access to all 4 levels of chosen magic school.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted April 18, 2015 02:45 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 15:23, 18 Apr 2015.
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@Steyn
checked related article, and i saw you are right about it.
Quote:
ubisoft:
To unlock a new skill rank, you must first unlock the previous rank (except for Novice) and unlock at least one ability of the previous rank.
i will edit now to fix it.
@Dave_Jame
it doesnt just hit a single creatures for extra damage, but also hits other creatures around it. i find it extremely powerful to be a passive buff. but you are right, it doesnt state it is active or passive. lets see how it turns out.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted April 18, 2015 09:03 PM |
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Main skills are the skills that conclude with an ultimate ability. Depending on hero, starting skills can coincide with main skills.
Also, I've been told that the maximum number of spell schools for a hero would be 4, for some hero(es) in Academy.
On the Air Magic, Cyclone is really good. Gust of Wind also. Storm Arrows and Lightning reflexes are proper.. Warcries, or Offense abilities. The rest are okay. Needless to say, the one thing among others that it's not that okay is that there are very few spells. Abilities are.. pretty decent actually, some good ideas there. I'm imagining Storm Lord would quite OP, and I'm thinking on Sylvan right now. Can you imagine the damage output with double shooting archers, attack all around bladedancers and aoe damage dealing dragons? Jeepers...
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 18, 2015 09:49 PM |
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Stevie said:
Main skills are the skills that conclude with an ultimate ability. Depending on hero, starting skills can coincide with main skills.
Also, I've been told that the maximum number of spell schools for a hero would be 4, for some hero(es) in Academy.
On the Air Magic, Cyclone is really good. Gust of Wind also. Storm Arrows and Lightning reflexes are proper.. Warcries, or Offense abilities. The rest are okay. Needless to say, the one thing among others that it's not that okay is that there are very few spells. Abilities are.. pretty decent actually, some good ideas there. I'm imagining Storm Lord would quite OP, and I'm thinking on Sylvan right now. Can you imagine the damage output with double shooting archers, attack all around bladedancers and aoe damage dealing dragons? Jeepers...
Storm Lord also says something about being for "normal attacks". If things like the AOE breath is a activated ability (supposedly, the Cyclops's bash thing is indeed activated, not normal) then it may not trigger, as that's not a "normal" attack. But I feel double arrows would trigger it, as well as automatic all-around attacks like Hydras and perhaps the Dancers as well. I guess it depends on how Sweep for Swordmasters also works.
In fact, Storm Lord could also be seen as a extra upgrade towards Lightning Reflexes, as it should allow Storm Lord to trigger twice as much for a certain unit.
That's good that some heroes have a massive amount of spells at their command. If each school has a Wisdom ability, that might add up very fast with a lot of power behind it, if it is indeed a multiplicative effect with each. And then they have meta-magic for Academy...
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Hunters11
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 19, 2015 06:33 AM |
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Total skills 30
Racial skills(6)
-Righteousness, Metamagic, Necromancy, Bloodrage, Sylvan?, Dungeon?
Magic skills(7)
-AirMagic, EarthMagic, FireMagic, WaterMagic, LightMagic, DarkMagic, PrimeMagic
Might skills(8)
-Warcries, Warfare, Offense, Defense, Leadership, Destiny, Paragon, Tactics
Neutral skills(9)
-Exploration, Economy, Diplomacy, Nobility, Scouting, Sorcery, Learning,?, ?
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 06:55 AM |
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Hunters11 said:
Racial skills(6)
-Righteousness, Metamagic, Necromancy, Bloodrage, Sylvan?, Dungeon?
Magic skills(7)
-AirMagic, EarthMagic, FireMagic, WaterMagic, LightMagic, DarkMagic, PrimeMagic
Might skills(8)
-Warcries, Warfare, Offense, Defense, Leadership, Destiny, Paragon, Tactics
Neutral skills(9)
-Exploration, Economy, Diplomacy, Nobility, Scouting, Sorcery, Learning,?, ?
Are those last few Neutral skills actually written somewhere, or are those guesses?
Also, I'd write Sorcery as a "Magic" skill, but that's just me.
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted April 19, 2015 10:53 AM |
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Hunters11 said:
Racial skills(6)
-Righteousness, Metamagic, Necromancy, Bloodrage, Sylvan?, Dungeon?
Magic skills(7)
-Air Magic, Earth Magic, Fire Magic, Water Magic, Light Magic, Dark Magic, Prime Magic
Might skills(8)
-Warcries, Warfare, Offense, Defense, Leadership, Destiny, Paragon, Tactics
Neutral skills(9)
-Explorer, Economy, Diplomacy, Nobility, Scouting, Sorcery, Learning
Nobility is more like Economy right now, Scouting is probably part of Explorer and Sorcery and Learning are gone (Sorcery is in each of X Magic - Wisdom of Air for example) while Learning was a perk in H5-6.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 10:54 AM |
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I just realized something amazing.
The fact (the king) Behemoth is returning to us ...
And the fact that Green Dragon(zilla) is walker ....
H7 will finaly recreate a fight of epic proportions. We fill finaly see who is the tr00 king of monsters  
Not only that! We will get Srider aswell for the dungeon. H7 will be Kaiju paradise. I don't know if it's coincidence or not ... maybe I just see things ... but maybe not - maybe we'll get easter egg out of this jet. And if we do, Ubi, let me be the first to shake your slimy cash-grubbing hand and kiss Erwan on his polished French forhead
At first I taught walking green dragon is a miss ... but now, I think it's awsome. And I'm NOT being sarcastic here. Behemoth DOES look like a gorilla slightly ...
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted April 19, 2015 10:58 AM |
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[Sees people say positive things about H7, rushes to the window to see if pigs have grown wings and are ready to take off.]
Nice one, Zombie.
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Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted April 19, 2015 11:36 AM |
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War-overlord said:
[Sees people say positive things about H7, rushes to the window to see if pigs have grown wings and are ready to take off.]
At this point all the bad things have already been said so saying nice things about it is all we are left with.
Nice things such as:
Heroes 7 will probably not cause a nuclear holocaust.
Looking at the H7 skillwheel will most likely not cause mental retardation in players.
The colors of the factions have a beautiful range from all across the spectrum including vomit green, diarrhea brown and baboon's arse red.
Erwan Lebreton is a very talented individual who could easily have a successful carrier in literally anything else outside game development.
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"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 12:03 PM |
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You literally just supported War-Overlord's point about the negativity here. Good job. 
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted April 19, 2015 12:08 PM |
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Sligneris said:
You literally just supported War-Overlord's point about the negativity here. Good job.
Thanks
It's so nice to see people complimenting eachother on the internet.
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"Now I am become Chris, the destroyer of worlds." - Robert Oppenheimer.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 03:43 PM |
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yesterday at council i realised some people, dont know its majority or minority, doesnt even want new things like competetive gaming, sim turns, creatures.. it really made me sad to see such closed minds. i wonder how many of you agree with this guy. all i see at council is weak observations, prejudgement and hate towards anything presented. i tried to explain what is written here about magic system but still they say exact same things, and here i see war-overlords and others posts... why you guys are like that?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 19, 2015 03:51 PM |
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Because of the flooding system.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 19, 2015 03:53 PM |
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Those are not new. But you know what they say about opinions..
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted April 19, 2015 04:45 PM |
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cleglaw said:
yesterday at council i realised some people, dont know its majority or minority, doesnt even want new things like competetive gaming, sim turns, creatures..
Indeed. It all went downhill where creatures were introduced. I protest!  Before creatures were put in game, HoMM did not exist, and therefore, I was not angry with all the bad decisions made by the developers.
If there would be no creatures, then there would not be too many spiders, and vampires would not suck (anything other than blood ... IN REAL LIFE!)
I think they should remove the creatures, and go back to the good old days, where everything was text based. It's like developers take me for an idiot this days, as I feel, like im staring in a picture book for childeren who can't read. In the early days we had to calculate combat results by hand using equasions ... that was hardcore. This is made for childeren.
And don't get me started on sim turns man. They should go. People now a days all have atention deficit dissorder, and hyperactivity, and can't respect one another, all thanks to sim turns. In olden days, we had to (gasp) wait patiently for other player to make calculations, declare his moves etc. One player could take half an hour or more on his turn, and noone would be protesting. In fact. It was way better. Now everyone is rushing you and you don't even have time to get a beer or a joint and enjoy the game!
I want to wait between turns. The longer the waiting the better. If I could wait 4 hours between turns, this would be the best. It's perfect for a quick nap and allows you to revise your strategy.
Now competitive gaming ... that ... is the absolute worst. It all started with the internet. I say down with the internet. In fact down with computers and all of this technology mumbo-jumbo. The more back in time you go the better. Our forefathers fought with swords and arrows in real life! If they would come here today, they would be ashamed of this generation, I tell you ... ashamed!
And you know what. It was all Erwan's fault. That's right.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 19, 2015 04:57 PM |
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fuChris said:
At this point all the bad things have already been said so saying nice things about it is all we are left with.
Nice things such as:
Heroes 7 will probably not cause a nuclear holocaust.
Looking at the H7 skillwheel will most likely not cause mental retardation in players.
The colors of the factions have a beautiful range from all across the spectrum including vomit green, diarrhea brown and baboon's arse red.
Erwan Lebreton is a very talented individual who could easily have a successful carrier in literally anything else outside game development.
too much biting truth dude, you're going to make my bald, shiny, Erwinny head explode from laughter lol
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 19, 2015 05:19 PM |
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at least haven is cool.
...right?
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