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Steyn
Steyn


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posted August 18, 2014 03:52 PM

Is academy evil?

In the Necropolis thread there is a discussion about the current morality of necropolis and how some people want necro to return to its pure evil roots.
Traditionally academy is a good faction, however is this still the case with Ashan's shades of gray factions? Personally I think academy is a pretty evil faction, I'll give the reasons why (in random order):

I. Wizards are hungry for power and knowledge.

II. The wizard created orcs and beastmen, keeping them as slaves.

III. The wizards enslave spirits.

IV. When one of their factions became too powerful, the other factions try to annihilate their brethren.

So what do you think of the wizard's morality and how does the practice of house chimera compare to that of the necromancers?

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted August 18, 2014 03:56 PM

I think Academy should be either good or neutral.. True that from the IGN vid it isn't much clear..

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Dave_Jame
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posted August 18, 2014 03:58 PM

Individual characters-wizards can be evil but the faction as a whole is not, since it's goal is not to acquire world dominance or the world's destruction.

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Alex_Yakub
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posted August 18, 2014 04:01 PM
Edited by Alex_Yakub at 16:01, 18 Aug 2014.

Galaad said:
I think Academy should be either good or neutral.. True that from the IGN vid it isn't much clear..


I, too, think wizards need to be either good or neutral, maybe with ocasional moral dilemmas about enslavement of orcs, beastmen and spirits. But still at least neutral. About IGN video, I think Academy was made an enemy purely because this two factions are the to be nearly completed. If the Necropolis was completed earlier, we would have an undead enemy, the same goes to Stronghold. It's just a very first demo vid, after all.
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Storm-Giant
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posted August 18, 2014 04:02 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Individual characters-wizards can be evil but the faction as a whole is not, since it's goal is not to acquire world dominance or the world's destruction.

This.

Although it seems that usually a lot of wizards have evil minds
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Alex_Yakub
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posted August 18, 2014 04:02 PM

Dave_Jame said:
Individual characters-wizards can be evil but the faction as a whole is not, since it's goal is not to acquire world dominance or the world's destruction.

+1
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fred79
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posted August 18, 2014 04:03 PM

necropolis is there for their heinous blasphemy. giving the middle finger to the gods.

as far as wizards go, dave_jame said it best. individuals, yes. faction, no.

necromancers are the only true evil. every other faction that tries to be, are just nut-riders.

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Galaad
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posted August 18, 2014 04:08 PM

fred79 said:

necromancers are the only true evil.

+1

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Steyn
Steyn


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posted August 18, 2014 04:14 PM

fred79 said:
necropolis is there for their heinous blasphemy. giving the middle finger to the gods.

as far as wizards go, dave_jame said it best. individuals, yes. faction, no.

necromancers are the only true evil. every other faction that tries to be, are just nut-riders.

The motto of the wizards according to Ubisoft: “No Gods, no Masters. Knowledge is Power, and Power is Freedom”. The universe is a puzzle to be solved, by whatever means necessary.
Sounds like a big finger to the gods to me
Okey, so they are not evil, but definitely not good either, as they are purely egocentric: everything can as long as it's for the sake of knowledge.

As for necropolis, is the act of raising the dead so much worse than enslaving spirits or creating slave chimeras that it makes the one faction evil and the other not? I think most necromancers turn to necromancy as a means to obtain knowledge or because they are afraid to die (and then you still have those cultists from ashan). Shouldn't we then also judge the necromancers individually instead of depicting the whole faction as evil?

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esvath
esvath


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posted August 18, 2014 04:16 PM

I think Academy should be Neutral, with the tendency for individuals to go power-hungry. How far they'd go in their quest for power is ranging from Gavin Magnus to Sandro


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Dave_Jame
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posted August 18, 2014 04:25 PM

Well Necromencers in old games would fit under my chracteristics as Evil. since they did try to aquire world dominance

In the current setting, "The spider cult" (let's say the main branch of the necromancers) are more like zealotic priests that see them selves as the keepers of balance in the world. This could be seen as gray,

But unlike Wizards, there are more then just individuals that act as evil. I'm talking about Sandro and his Order of the Void. This Nethermancer (wizard specialize in void magic) is something known as pure evil. and as such he and his line of followers are the "evil part of necropolis"

Several other factions have "directly evil" sub-factions. For example the Cult of the Wrecker in Sanctuary or Blackskull/Bloodscar clans in Stronghold

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fred79
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posted August 18, 2014 04:27 PM

Steyn said:
The motto of the wizards according to Ubisoft: “No Gods, no Masters. Knowledge is Power, and Power is Freedom”. The universe is a puzzle to be solved, by whatever means necessary.
Sounds like a big finger to the gods to me
Okey, so they are not evil, but definitely not good either, as they are purely egocentric: everything can as long as it's for the sake of knowledge.

As for necropolis, is the act of raising the dead so much worse than enslaving spirits or creating slave chimeras that it makes the one faction evil and the other not? I think most necromancers turn to necromancy as a means to obtain knowledge or because they are afraid to die (and then you still have those cultists from ashan). Shouldn't we then also judge the necromancers individually instead of depicting the whole faction as evil?


if ubisoft knew how to handle evil, they wouldn't have made evil so nice and friendly. seems to me, they're too afraid that the presence of real evil will HURT SALES. don't want to SCARE THE KIDS, hmm?

"no, chucky's just a doll! and dolls are fun to CUDDLE!"

and, let's not forget:

"vampire's GLITTER in the sun! like diamonds!"

no, the spineless turds would rather keep things more PG. don't want to anger those soccer moms...

btw... wizards=dumbledore. and dumbledore=gay... to the power of "harryhairy butthole pussy potter".

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War-overlord
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posted August 18, 2014 04:39 PM

For me, Academy is the Ashan equivalent of a Society of "Mad" Scientists. Their motto can be summed up in the phrase: "For Science!".

Or at least that is what they are supposed to be according to the Lore. Since so far, Ubisoft has yet to show themselves capable to write themselves out of a wet paper bag, this has yet to come across very well.
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Elvin
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posted August 18, 2014 04:45 PM

Well, they are more practical than moral. That has its merits but may also go wrong
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fred79
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posted August 18, 2014 04:46 PM

anyone who could take decent factions and screw them all up... i couldn't even pretend to respect such a company. ubisoft has destroyed the heroes franchise. and it doesn't look like they're going to pull their heads out of their asses anytime soon.

at least, not with so many drooling fanboys. like a bunch of teenage girls. whatever happened to QUALITY? the way ubisoft screwed heroes, reminds me of how boy bands screwed music.

and STILL, those fanboys just keep right on paying for garbage. and ubisoft depends on that. what the **** happened to people? this isn't just with ****ing video games, computer games, etc. this is with everything. people settle for less, and less, and less.... and nobody seems to ****ing care.

wtf, people? i am honestly perplexed. where the hell are the standards, anymore?

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blob2
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posted August 18, 2014 04:53 PM
Edited by blob2 at 16:54, 18 Aug 2014.

Well, like always, Wizards (meaning Academy) are the equivalent of science in fantasy.

Science is neutral, but it can be used either in a good or bad way in the right/wrong hands.

Necromancy is the bad use of science, but still, it's science...

Wizards are the "I don't give a f*ck, I'm just doing my job/cultivate my hobby" type of faction

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VOKIALBG
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posted August 18, 2014 04:58 PM

Evil or Good depends on the point of view. They are evil for me. Necro is on the good side.
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fred79
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posted August 18, 2014 04:58 PM

blob2 said:
Necromancy is the bad use of science, but still, it's science...


yeah. like the nazi's. if nazi's could bring people back from the dead to fight in their armies, something tells me, they would have.

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fred79
fred79


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posted August 18, 2014 05:03 PM

VOKIALBG said:
Evil or Good depends on the point of view. They are evil for me. Necro is on the good side.


lol. the only real reason necromancers are evil, is because they resurrect the dead. it doesn't really have anything to do with the type of magic they use; although typically, destructive magic is dark magic, while healing magic is light. they blurred the lines a bit, i think, in much popular media.

it all goes back to christianity and the bible. christians say only god can resurrect. if somebody else does it, it's blasphemy. hence necromancers. i prefer that version of necromancy; it shouldn't be tampered with. hypocritical, i know.

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blob2
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posted August 18, 2014 05:04 PM
Edited by blob2 at 17:07, 18 Aug 2014.

fred79 said:
blob2 said:
Necromancy is the bad use of science, but still, it's science...


yeah. like the nazi's. if nazi's could bring people back from the dead to fight in their armies, something tells me, they would have.


Who knows, if WWII dragged for a few more years, Necromancy, Death Rays, and anti-gravity tanks could've been our everyday lives...

Nazis and their Ahnenerbe institute were the definition of evil scientists...

Fortunately it didn't...

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