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alcibiades
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posted September 10, 2014 11:47 AM

NACHOOOO said:
Confirmation that the Swordbearer will be able to hit multiple foes. I love it, will make for some interesting choices strategically and makes him a lot more viable as a champion creature even though he doesn't quite look the part

Technically, doesn't the screenshot just show that he has two targets to choose from? I mean, I'm not saying that he can't attack them both, because I don't know, but the way I understand the interface, the game has just put a red tile underneath any target within his range?
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Galaad
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posted September 10, 2014 11:51 AM
Edited by Galaad at 11:54, 10 Sep 2014.

Dave_James said:

Actually the golems look about 1/4 smaller then the crosbowman..

Crossbowmen looks too big compared to the rest.. They have good size with golems but other units should be bigger, imo.
alcibiades said:

Technically, doesn't the screenshot just show that he has two targets to choose from? I mean, I'm not saying that he can't attack them both, because I don't know, but the way I understand the interface, the game has just put a red tile underneath any target within his range?

Actually I'd be surprised disappointed if big sword Champ can't hit both..

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ChrisD1
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posted September 10, 2014 11:53 AM

Dave_Jame said:
Actually the golems look about 1/4 smaller then the crosbowman..

i am in the difficult position to say that here,size matters :/
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NACHOOOO
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posted September 10, 2014 01:49 PM
Edited by NACHOOOO at 13:50, 10 Sep 2014.

alcibiades said:
Technically, doesn't the screenshot just show that he has two targets to choose from? I mean, I'm not saying that he can't attack them both, because I don't know, but the way I understand the interface, the game has just put a red tile underneath any target within his range?


I've never seen Heroes show all possible attack options like what you're suggesting in a previous game and I feel confident it's a hint from the fellas giving us a little nod to a sweep attack, but you're right I can't be 100%
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red_flag
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posted September 10, 2014 02:32 PM
Edited by red_flag at 14:39, 10 Sep 2014.

NACHOOOO said:
alcibiades said:
Technically, doesn't the screenshot just show that he has two targets to choose from? I mean, I'm not saying that he can't attack them both, because I don't know, but the way I understand the interface, the game has just put a red tile underneath any target within his range?


I've never seen Heroes show all possible attack options like what you're suggesting in a previous game and I feel confident it's a hint from the fellas giving us a little nod to a sweep attack, but you're right I can't be 100%

alcibiades absolutely right, look:
1) Hero casting spell - all enemy squares are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_375501.jpg
2) Crossbowman shooting - all enemy squares are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_107422.jpg
3) Swordbearer moving - Cabir's square are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_452657.jpg
4) Swordbearer attacking - Cabir's square and model are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_285976.jpg

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Wellplay
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Poland Stronk
posted September 10, 2014 02:49 PM

On last picture you can see in damage description mentioning of Sweep
so we can be sure he has cleave

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RMZ1989
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posted September 10, 2014 02:51 PM

Wellplay said:
On last picture you can see in damage description mentioning of Sweep
so we can be sure he has cleave

He can Sweep, Cleave is something else in Heroes.
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red_flag
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posted September 10, 2014 03:07 PM

I mean that alcibiades right about that how interface works:
alcibiades said:
...but the way I understand the interface, the game has just put a red tile underneath any target within his range?

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Wellplay
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Poland Stronk
posted September 10, 2014 03:17 PM
Edited by Wellplay at 15:19, 10 Sep 2014.

nonetheless i think he has cleave/sweep cause you don't get 2 units to stand before him in line for heck of it.

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Storm-Giant
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posted September 10, 2014 03:18 PM

Yes, as we can see on the screenshots, it's very easy to know when a creature is being targeted by the mouse: a red aura sorrounds it. A red square means it can be attacked by that creature/hero attack.
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Wellplay
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Poland Stronk
posted September 10, 2014 03:22 PM

also question is if he has cleave/sweep how big it is is it only on 2 creatures or more?

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RMZ1989
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posted September 10, 2014 03:30 PM

Wellplay said:
also question is if he has cleave/sweep how big it is is it only on 2 creatures or more?

We still don't know that yet, and how different it will be from Cerberus attack.

Now imagine him having both Cleave and Sweep, attacking more targets and if he kills some units in stack he can attack for second time.

That would be the true Champion for Haven.
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Wellplay
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Poland Stronk
posted September 10, 2014 03:38 PM
Edited by Wellplay at 15:39, 10 Sep 2014.

RMZ1989 said:
Wellplay said:
also question is if he has cleave/sweep how big it is is it only on 2 creatures or more?

We still don't know that yet, and how different it will be from Cerberus attack.

Now imagine him having both Cleave and Sweep, attacking more targets and if he kills some units in stack he can attack for second time.

That would be the true Champion for Haven.


in heroes 5 stronghold had tier 5 orc unit with sweep so its good idea.

Cleave+Sweep good enough Champion tier unit for me!

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Protolisk
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posted September 10, 2014 05:31 PM

Wellplay said:
in heroes 5 stronghold had tier 5 orc unit with sweepcleave so its good idea.

Cleave+Sweep good enough Champion tier unit for me!


Fixed that up a bit.

Basically, sweep is like a Hydra/H3/5cerberus attack, right? Any  clues onto how big this sweep is?

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Storm-Giant
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posted September 10, 2014 06:27 PM
Edited by Storm-Giant at 18:27, 10 Sep 2014.

Protolisk said:
Wellplay said:
in heroes 5 stronghold had tier 5 orc unit with sweepcleave so its good idea.

Cleave+Sweep good enough Champion tier unit for me!


Fixed that up a bit.

Basically, sweep is like a Hydra/H3/5cerberus attack, right? Any  clues onto how big this sweep is?

So far we only have Gamescom footage, and that doesn't clear up how sweep works exactly. We'll probably have to wait until new footage of the game is revealed.
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NACHOOOO
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posted September 10, 2014 11:11 PM

[quote name=red_flag
alcibiades absolutely right, look:
1) Hero casting spell - all enemy squares are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_375501.jpg
2) Crossbowman shooting - all enemy squares are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_107422.jpg
3) Swordbearer moving - Cabir's square are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_452657.jpg
4) Swordbearer attacking - Cabir's square and model are red http://www.might-and-magic.ru/uploads/gallery/album_47/gallery_3_47_285976.jpg


I never noticed that before now, well that's lame. Mr Swordbearer better have something that makes him interesting

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red_flag
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posted September 11, 2014 02:20 PM
Edited by red_flag at 15:29, 11 Sep 2014.

I just think...
Here we see that swordbearer have a very low speed, actualy two squares:


But here we see that swordmaster have a high speed - about 7 squares on the start of turn and even after morale:


I think it's a very big range between them (regular and upgraded units)not normal.
So, as we know Haven's racial skill is the Righteousness. Maybe that skill can give a full streinght to the unit after morale trigged. But on the first shot swordbearer leads by Academy hero, so this skill didn't works and swordbearer probably can take the turn by the morale in a half strength, like in Heroes 6.
That's can be the reason why swordbearer have so low speed.

In additional we can see that in the battle log two effects:  +1 move count and  +1 attack count. May be it's effects of racial skill, for example: expert gives both full move and attack point, novice only one of them or some.

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NACHOOOO
NACHOOOO


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posted September 11, 2014 03:07 PM
Edited by NACHOOOO at 15:10, 11 Sep 2014.

red_flag said:
I just think...
Here we see that swordbearer have a very low speed, actualy two squares:


But here we see that swordmaster have a high speed - about 7 squares on the start of turn and even after morale:


I think it's a very big range between them not normal.
So, as we know Haven's racial skill is the Righteousness. Maybe that skill can give a full streinght to the unit after morale trigged. But on the first shot swordbearer leads by Academy hero, so this skill didn't works and swordbearer probably can take the turn by the morale in a half strength, like in Heroes 6.
That's can be the reason why swordbearer have so low speed.

In additional we can see that in the battle log two effects:  +1 move count and  +1 attack count. May be it's effects of racial skill, for example: expert gives both full move and attack point, novice only one of them or some.


I think you might be onto something. I'm not sure about the different levels of morale, but the screenshot from the gameplay demo definately shows the swordbearer on his second action and he appears to have full movement
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VOKIALBG
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posted September 11, 2014 04:59 PM

Maybe one one of the screenshots he got debuffed by magic or some creature.
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Stormcaller
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posted September 11, 2014 07:57 PM

Swordbearer is actually refreshing, and who's to say Haven can't have brutally looking units? It's not really going into Orcs' territory just yet.

I do hope we don't get another angel though.
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