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Celfious
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posted August 29, 2014 11:41 AM |
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**** happens, its very sad for the families
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 11:42 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 11:44, 29 Aug 2014.
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saying "**** happens", is a cop-out(in this case, at least). entirely avoidable mistakes were made, and many people paid the price for the stupidity involved.
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Celfious
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posted August 29, 2014 11:52 AM |
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Edited by Celfious at 11:52, 29 Aug 2014.
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talking wont change anything. Beyond some kind benefit from personal expressions talk is worthless unless my feelings would somehow make a difference.
I have nothing to cop out from
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 11:58 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 12:07, 29 Aug 2014.
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i just took a gander at the comic you posted, artu. is that REALLY supposed to be me? i take that as an insult. you cannot invalidate what i say, just because i have issues with anger. that you see me as some kind of manipulatory TYRANT, is slanderous, to say the least. that comic is PURELY slanderous, and it is DIRECTLY inflammatory.
and btw, posting a comic like that, to try to sway the opinion of myself by others, is what is manipulative, artu.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 12:01 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 12:03, 29 Aug 2014.
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Celfious said:
talking wont change anything. Beyond some kind benefit from personal expressions talk is worthless unless my feelings would somehow make a difference.
I have nothing to cop out from
not you, man. it's the saying that just doesn't apply here. getting struck by lightning out of nowhere is a "**** happens" scenario. doing what that guy did, was just mistake after mistake. i'm surprised he was the ONLY one killed. if that had been a range with occupied lanes next to it, the girl would have to deal with possibly killing even MORE people.
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 12:15 PM |
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fred79 said:
i just took a gander at the comic you posted, artu. is that REALLY supposed to be me? i take that as an insult. you cannot invalidate what i say, just because i have issues with anger. that you see me as some kind of manipulatory TYRANT, is slanderous, to say the least. that comic is PURELY slanderous, and it is DIRECTLY inflammatory.
and btw, posting a comic like that, to try to sway the opinion of myself by others, is what is manipulative, artu.
I was very happy to hear you were done arguing, fred, keep at it. Btw, it even makes the comic funnier, that you think what's wrong with the fish is, he's a manipulative tyrant.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 12:21 PM |
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you're so funny, artu. you're putting a smile on my face. you should see it. 
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 12:24 PM |
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Edited by artu at 12:25, 29 Aug 2014.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 12:26 PM |
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lol, you have the same smile? i salute you, artu. i ain't mad no more. 
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 01:06 PM |
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missed this gem of yours, artu:
artu said:
I guess all of these create a unique combination and provides the result we see here.
no, that would be plain old human stupidity. it comes in many colors.
artu said:
Oh, and speaking of pinnacle of intelligence... You just presented a reasoning such as this: "Humanity is stupid and most people can't handle themselves, so it's better for everyone to get armed." It's always an amazing adventure to see great minds at work.
and what you put in quotations here, would be an incorrect use of paraphrasing. 
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 01:34 PM |
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no, that would be plain old human stupidity. it comes in many colors.
That sentence is obviously about the rate of civilian gun ownership. If "with less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison" then, there is a unique sociological pattern there, not something universal to all humans.
And I didn't misrepresent your thoughts with my paraphrasing, you can link the post itself. Somebody who thinks any adult should have access to fire arms would rationally base this on a premise, that your average person can handle themselves with a deadly weapon and they are reasonable to a certain degree of stability. You, on the other hand, went on and on about how stupid they are, how they don't know how to handle even themselves etc etc, the cutest line was this I guess:
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knowing human stupidity as it is, i still am not swayed to think that humans shouldn't own guns. it's just a stupid argument.
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JoonasTo
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posted August 29, 2014 01:37 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 13:40, 29 Aug 2014.
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artu said:
Even if we don't restrict ourselves with developed countries, US is a special phenomenon when it comes to civilians owning guns. Check the statistics here, while number 2 and 3 follow it by rates around 50 percent, it has a rate of 97 guns per 100 residents! It clearly indicates something socio-cultural beyond individual initiative. This isn't about some temporary legislation or which party you vote, it's a unique social phenomenon:
It's not a social phenomenom, there's a very simple explanation for this.
Money.
Finland is 5th highest country on that list and guns here cost an arm and a leg. What do guns cost in the states?
Oh, right. They're so cheap you can buy them in walmart!
See if Finland had guns that cheap, I'd have dozens by now. 
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artu
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posted August 29, 2014 01:43 PM |
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That would mean the explanation of the social phenomenon is mainly economical, not that it's not a social phenomenon. You can also say, if demand for guns were more in other countries as well, competition would cause the prices to lower down there also.
I'm sure it's a factor but I'm pretty positive it's not the only factor, also.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 01:43 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:44, 29 Aug 2014.
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@ joonas: cheap? maybe junk guns. standard and up is $500+. i don't call that cheap.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 01:46 PM |
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if you're going to quote me, artu, then use the whole post. you know, that thing you keep telling me about? context? you leave out little bits here and there, and you're painting a different picture(which is probably the only thing you see, anyway).
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Corribus
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posted August 29, 2014 02:03 PM |
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@fred
No, I wasn't ridiculing you.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted August 29, 2014 02:17 PM |
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Elvin said:
And if you are feeling defenseless and without the means to do anything if you lack a gun.. That says more about you than you'd think.
I know that the discussion has moved on, but I'd still like to point out that a weapon isn't for defence, though it could be used with a defencive motive. It is an offensive weapon. A weapon is the common man's tool to wage war, as it has been since the 17th century. Of course a person requires skill, training and conditioning to learn to shoot and handle being shot at, but the bare bones of it is still: "pull the trigger and something dies".
When a citizen's government no longer upholds the creed upon which it was created, (intentions and motives of those running things) then it must be replaced, violence was the means that the founding fathers intended for their descendents, which was their legacy.
This child, and her instructor aren't victims of guns, their the victims of stupidity. Should these people have guns? No, but in America they should.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 02:22 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:32, 29 Aug 2014.
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@ cor:
then i owe you another apology, because that last post that artu claims all kinds of nonsense(the one i responded to you with last time)about, was aimed at you as well. i don't hope that you'll forgive me anymore; i keep making these mistakes when my dander's up.
wait, you didn't agree with me anyway.
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fred79
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posted August 29, 2014 02:26 PM |
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Tsar-Ivor said:
When a citizen's government no longer upholds the creed upon which it was created, (intentions and motives of those running things) then it must be replaced, violence was the means that the founding fathers intended for their descendents, which was their legacy.
yeah, i know. i already covered this before. capitalism and marketing have taken over the united states. it's all about what you have, not what you should do. trust me when i say, i'm just as sickened as you probably are about that part. there really is no excuse.
but the same can be said about nearly ALL governments. the issue can never really be fixed.
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kayna
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posted August 29, 2014 03:14 PM |
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Aside from the accident itself , two disturbing things :
1 - 9 year old kids apparently have the right to try shooting things. That age is way too low for my taste.
2 - A freaking uzi. I'm not an expert in guns, but considering the low recoil, massive amount of cheap bullets that it spits and overall easiness of use, isn't it a weapon made to kill masses of unarmored ( civilian ) people?
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