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Thread: Are we on the brink of general war between Europe and Russia? This thread is 9 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 · «PREV / NEXT»
orzie
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posted September 12, 2014 04:17 AM

At the same time, Putin's laws restricting gay marriage and such only met the people's approval, so it's a no less instrument of propaganda.

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Fauch
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posted September 12, 2014 04:27 AM

what are those anti-gays laws? I thought that you had the right to be gay in russia but that it was forbidden to promote homosexuality.

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Corribus
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posted September 12, 2014 06:05 AM

Friends, let's please get back to the topic of the thread, which has nothing to do with homosexuality.
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posted September 12, 2014 05:06 PM

Zenofex said:
Well, isn't Poland more than happy to give its territory to the US for bases and missile shields instead of spending money? And you also got that charming fellow, Tusk, as a "president" of the EU so you can squeeze money for defense. Maybe the thought that nobody is Kremlin is that mad to attack a NATO member will occasionally pass through certain people's heads but maintaining a high military budget is very democratic thing, as you can see from the world's top democracy.


The sad thing is that everybody hates Tusk here. He's a notorious liar, interested only in his party's wellbeing. But let's be honest, Tusk is just a puppet, much like Poland is just a meaningless puppet state.
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artu
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posted September 12, 2014 05:14 PM

How come he got elected twice if everybody hates him?

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posted September 12, 2014 05:17 PM

Because his opposition is from Looney Tunes cartoons.
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posted September 12, 2014 05:24 PM

I like Poland. They stand up against Russia.
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posted September 12, 2014 05:33 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 17:34, 12 Sep 2014.

It reminds me of a little dog barking on a big one.

Pretty pointless. Poland has no business in this and should stay away. Of course the ones pushing the country towards stupid political decisions and maybe even to future nuclear war will GTFO first in copters and towards the concrete anti-nuclear shelters.

1939. Our "proud" government pushed us into the war with Nazis, then fled at the first sight of danger. Bunch of clowns.

Politicians are the scourge of this planet.
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Orzie
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posted September 13, 2014 05:53 AM
Edited by Orzie at 05:53, 13 Sep 2014.

Yeah, Russia is worth to stand up against. It doesn't care about bringing democracy to other countries. What a monster.


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VOKIALBG
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posted September 15, 2014 08:33 PM
Edited by VOKIALBG at 20:38, 15 Sep 2014.

Fauch said:
what are those anti-gays laws? I thought that you had the right to be gay in russia but that it was forbidden to promote homosexuality.


There is no "anti-gay" law in Russia. Its exactly the way you say it. Its the same in most EU states. You can be gay. You cant marry another person of the same sex and etc. Nothing special. For exemple in Bulgaria gays were threatening with jail till... around 2003. This doesnt exist in Russia.

Russia is sovereign state. If they want gay marriages or not is their own option. Same goes for all inside work in Russia. When will "The West" get this? Never I guess.
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posted September 15, 2014 09:07 PM
Edited by GunFred at 21:08, 15 Sep 2014.

VOKIALBG said:
When will "The West" get this? Never I guess.

Perhaps when homosexuals are not beaten to near death in large numbers while law enforcement watches with a smile? They do have laws against assault right?

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Lexxan
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posted September 15, 2014 09:44 PM

Eastern-European culture is REALLY conservative and ethnocentric compared to that of Western-Europe. This also reflects on their views about homosexuality, though not AS prominently as let's say, religion and ethnicity.
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Sal
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posted September 15, 2014 10:04 PM
Edited by Sal at 22:17, 15 Sep 2014.

You are right. I recall during my youth I had to sing at the start of every school day the national hymn. 5 times a week, in chorus with all the others around.

I was very proud of doing so and actually I can't understand how Frenchies around just sit and  don't care about their country sinking, with all moral and traditional values obliterated, redefined or reinvented, just because a few put pressure on.

I am in no way annoyed by who you bang sexually, as long as you don't create harsh clashes between communities. Gays want to marry, make sure they can but create a new union name. If you let same name, you upset all the religious + conservative people, then how it matches with the tolerance?

Somehow it is common acceptance today that being conservative is bad and accepting everything new is good, while is much more complex like that.

This is my eastern citizen position.

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artu
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posted September 15, 2014 10:17 PM

Sal said:
I recall during my youth I had to sing at the start of every school day the national hymn. 5 times a week, in chorus with all the others around.


Same here.  I was the kid who only moved his lips but didnt sing the hymn, though. Because I thought the lyrics were stupid and shallow.  

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Sal
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posted September 15, 2014 10:21 PM

Usually hymns are composed during harsh and difficult times, so today they may look indeed shallow, exaggerated and so. Today several intellectuals in France are asking to change the Marseillaise text, as it clearly talks about impure blood, supremacy and other things specific to times when it was composed.

But then we could as well burn whole ancient libraries. Kill the history by sugarcoating it.

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artu
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posted September 15, 2014 10:51 PM

Well, you can preserve it in the library yet not try to brainwash 10 year-old kids by making them repeat it 5 times a week. Nationalism is not a proper ideology to pump into kids with a very idiotic educational method.

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Sal
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posted September 15, 2014 11:19 PM

Sure, give them cell phones at 5, daily video games until 20 then you will have your next tolerant generation who does not even remember where they come from or why they live for.

Our hymn words:

Three colors I know in the world
And I hold them like a holy jewel
They are colors with an ancient fame
Reminders of a brave nation.

As long as in the sky and in the world
There will be these three colors
We'll have a glorious name
And a glorious future.

Red is the bravery's fire
Sacrifices that won't ever be lost
Yellow, the plain's gold
And blue is our sky

For many centuries they fought
O, brave and undismayed heroes
So that we can live free in our country,
Builders of the new world


Nothing toxic to be brainwashed with-I am not aware of Turkish hymn though. Unless you became so deeply intellectual that you choose to ignore your roots and the sacrifices your ancestors sustained.

My country was constantly attacked, had to deal with Romans expansion, then with Turks, and this for several consecutive centuries.

Thus the hymn.  

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artu
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posted September 15, 2014 11:42 PM

That's blatantly flawed logic, the only alternatives are not blindly consuming junk and nationalism. Children should not be indoctrinated with ideology at an early age. Education should be about critical thinking, creative thinking and knowledge introduced as unbiased as possible. You can, of course have emphasis on your history and cultural values but not under the formation of patriotism. Teaching someone his country's literature, great works of art, achievements etc, provides enough of that sense of roots, you don't have to add an aggressive, superficial ideology on top of that, which only irritates any kid who thinks bigger.

You are an immigrant, and I know that can be a sensitive position sometimes, feeling homesick, not completely belonging to either of the country, they can have nationalistic tendencies. Most Turks I've met who live in Germany are more nationalist than the native Turks.  But that is misplacing a sentiment. Nationalism is a superficial ideology, besides, it functioned during an Era in which a centralized state assimilated different groups based on an ideal citizen model: one nation, one language, one ideology. Today, however, is all about, mosaics and preserving your ethnic culture, local colors etc etc...And I'm not even mentioning the internet. Let me tell you this way, if both my and Elvin's governments'educational programs had worked its way out, we should have been hating each other.

I was a kid in the 80's, right after the military coup of 1980, which was the most fascist coup in the country's history and the military butchered education like it had never done before. I was able to witness nationalistic indoctrination, it's mindset, it's fears, it's hatred, it's inconsistencies at its most pure, most proudly loud, most transparent form. Do not defend it to me, I've seen the beast without the make-up.

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Sal
Sal


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posted September 15, 2014 11:49 PM

I don't know why are you criticizing my country's hymn lyrics, and I don't know why you feel so often the need of telling others their logic is blatantly flawed.

I was not concurring for logical records, just saying I was proud to sing a lyrical poem, composed to glorify my ancestors bravery and sacrifices.

Sometimes you have to think simple to understand basic things.


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artu
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posted September 15, 2014 11:56 PM

Quote:
Sure, give them cell phones at 5, daily video games until 20 then you will have your next tolerant generation who does not even remember where they come from or why they live for.

This IS blatantly flawed logic, a straw man to be precise. I never suggested this and it is obviously not the only alternative to a "nationalist youth."

What I said wasn't overcomplicated either, I was perfectly clear why I thought nationalist indoctrination was wrong, I haven't objected to the words of your hymn in specific, I objected to the method of making kids repeat a national hymn five times a week. It's archaic and shallow.

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