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Sligneris
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posted April 05, 2015 11:38 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
i mostly agree, however the spider-town was god damn amazing. keep that 
Spider legs are one of the best parts of the Necropolis townsreen, actually - what bothers me more is the way buildings look like - it looks less like a town and more like some military camp with random buildings placed on a pedestal.
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Genyaarikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 06, 2015 12:05 AM |
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I liked that last verriker post. It feels less like his usual "lolashansuksnoobs" and more "i dislike it"
Avonu said:
This reminds me one situation from Age of Wonders 1, when a Nymph used her seduce ability on a giant with a club - she blew a kiss to him and he in response hit her in the face with his club. 
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 06, 2015 06:42 AM |
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Sligneris said:
Spider legs are one of the best parts of the Necropolis townsreen, actually - what bothers me more is the way buildings look like - it looks less like a town and more like some military camp with random buildings placed on a pedestal.
doesn't bother me at all, since, you know, everyone's dead. no need for stuff like houses and stuff. everything is also put in strict patterns and stuff. makes sense for a faction bent on order.
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted April 06, 2015 07:30 AM |
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Yeh it looks like it could rise up and start shooting green beams at you...whicj would be pretty cool.
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Zombi_Wizzard
Famous Hero
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posted April 06, 2015 09:15 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
Yeh it looks like it could rise up and start shooting green beams at you...whicj would be pretty cool.
If that would occur, and necro town would be some sort of huge mechanized thing (like H4 dragon golem, but huge version, with whole town on top) shooting lasers, I would throw down my money, forget about waiting for price reduction, and preorder H7 at once. 
Imo this are the thigs that could make Ashan interesting. Current lore is ridiculous, but in a bad way. Why not make it ridiculous in a good way?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 06, 2015 10:05 AM |
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kiryu133
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Highly illogical
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posted April 06, 2015 10:32 AM |
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Zombi_Wizzard said:
Imo this are the thigs that could make Ashan interesting. Current lore is ridiculous, but in a bad way. Why not make it ridiculous in a good way?
eeeeeeexactly!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 06, 2015 10:44 AM |
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I approve  But tastes differ when it comes down to over-the-top material 
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castlevania
Hired Hero
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posted April 06, 2015 12:07 PM |
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So I like all Heroes from 2 to 6 but some I like more than others.
For example the Wizard faction in Heroes 2 is based on rough terrain I think or some kind of desert/wasteland and in Heroes 3 the faction had snowy theme and I did NOT like that. Also the titans from H2, H4 and H5 were much better looking!!!
In Ashan the wizards return to their deserty self and I was so pleased with that!
I also prefer the story telling in Ashan than in the old universe. However unpopular to many players the storytelling in Heroes 4 was an amazing read. Heroes 3 never made me wait to read the next story of the next campaign like Heroes 4.
In Heroes 5 I discovered that the new story is actually more appealing than the old universe. But the "easter eggs" in H5 was a pleasant hints of the old world. When Narxes told Zehir that he is no Solmyr and he can't do wonders.
Every game has its charm. I see no point in arguing about that.
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PandaTar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Celestial Heavens Mascot
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posted April 06, 2015 12:27 PM |
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Edited by PandaTar at 14:08, 06 Apr 2015.
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Gee, may I only focus on the first post?
I voted yes.
My argument, which is like a potato (can't be reasoned with), sounds like this: I remember the old plot the more. I bothered and even got glimpses of interest in learning the old world the more, played more and had more fune with older HoMM and MM games. With the exception of H5, which I had some fun (a fraction of what I had with H2, H3 or H4), Ashan-bound MM games didn't provide me much fun or interest, nor I remember anything related to its plot but the undeniable influence it does on things I don't like much, and also, even MM X which had its charm going retro, which should oblige one to read things to play and get along with the story, didn't make me interested in the lore. So, I simply associate Ashan with lack of fun or grip of my attention, which makes it disposable (as anything in equal measure would). That would be true for Antagarich too if it stopped being fun all the same. Ashan is merely a part of the disgrace that repels me from current MM universe, although it could be anything else.
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 06, 2015 12:40 PM |
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Frankly, by now I just wish there was no old universe to begin with - the franchise should have started with Ashan and Ubisoft and frankly, then instead of talking about what was and what could have been, looking for someone to blame and disrespecting those who don't agree, we would rather be talking about how to improve the games, their setting, visuals and gameplay.
Galaad - you complain about comment system and now you simply disregard constructive posts on a forum, that you want so much on the Shadow Council? Then how would you use a forum there, post more stupid memes about how you don't care? Frankly, by now this community would be better off without these 'contributions'.
Also, discussions about Ashan yesterday were sensible, but they once again degraded into "it sucks". Eh, I'm out of this thread.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 06, 2015 02:03 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Eh, I'm out of this thread.
Maybe you could create your own thread explaining people why you think Ashan is nice? Here, we debate whether it should be scrapped or not. 
Ps
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted April 06, 2015 02:11 PM |
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Galaad said:
Sligneris said:
Eh, I'm out of this thread.
Maybe you could create your own thread explaining people why you think Ashan is nice? Here, we debate whether it should be scrapped or not.
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Scrapped OR NOT. Which means that this thread is perfectly suitable for sharing positive opinions about Ashan, why it should stay instead of being scrapped .
The poll in the very first post provides a simple Yes or No, but here it's up to us to defend our choices. So, should Ashan be scraped? No, because.... etc.
No need to dedicate a whole new thread to that. Also, posting a meme that shows you don't bother reading other people's posts makes discussions with you quite difficult. It shows that you only read what you want to read. What I understand from posts above there is that people try to find logic in the Necro townscreen (which is in itself of course not much ontopic). But you smash that whole thing down without being very constructive, while at the same time you are advocating on the SC for a decent forum even though you are maintaining the same absence of constructiveness in your posts there  .
mediczero:"Sorry for being off topic, but I was thinking, could the kensei work as a Sanctuary champion creature?"
GalaadleHaut: "No".
Because....?
You're not an easy person to hang around with, that much is certain .
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 06, 2015 02:38 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:07, 06 Apr 2015.
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I think you guys just want to sabotage this thread and have it closed. 
Also, when one contributes to a thread it is nice to read the thread, and maybe you could have seen this?
Also, insofar I explained my position HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.
Dear diary
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 06, 2015 02:46 PM |
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Castlevania said:
In Heroes 5 I discovered that the new story is actually more appealing than the old universe. But the "easter eggs" in H5 was a pleasant hints of the old world. When Narxes told Zehir that he is no Solmyr and he can't do wonders.
much like the revelations of Sar-Elam I guess these games are open to interpretation, because in Heroes 5 I discovered that Nival could only have been playing a massive practical joke on Ubisoft, a whole new level of trolling matched only by the likes of Metal Wolf Chaos lol
Sligneris said:
Frankly, by now I just wish there was no old universe to begin with - the franchise should have started with Ashan and Ubisoft and frankly, then instead of talking about what was and what could have been, looking for someone to blame and disrespecting those who don't agree, we would rather be talking about how to improve the games, their setting, visuals and gameplay.
well it's a Very Nice wish and I even agree with you, but as the sun breed maggots in a dead dog, there wouldn't have even been an Ashan to praise or vomit upon without the established universe and formula to feed off of lol
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Sligneris
Supreme Hero
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posted April 06, 2015 02:50 PM |
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Galaad said:
I think you guys just want to sabotage this thread and have it closed.
Again, literally ignoring some else's point entirely. You didn't answer anything in Dies's statement, while he brought up a very good point, that defending Ashan is not out of place in this thread and that posting memes is hardly constructive.
Aren't you an adult? Don't you have something better to do? You're literally treating this community as something that exist only to reconfirm your own opinion - when it doesn't, you call it dumb and ignore it. You don't care about opinions that aren't identical to your own and constantly belittle them, as if they don't matter. Frankly, I'm going to agree with Genya here, moderation does nothing with this behavior and it's annoying.
verriker said:
just a friendly FYI dude because I keep seeing you make this mistake lately,
this guy is Geny, and this guy is GenyaArikavo, there's a big difference, would definitely try to avoid conflating the two lol
I actually saw someone else use 'Geny', while referring to GenyaArikavo and thought that it was an established nickname. I'll use 'Genya' or 'Arik', then.
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verriker
Honorable
Legendary Hero
We don't need another 'eroes
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posted April 06, 2015 02:55 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Aren't you an adult? Don't you have something better to do? You're literally treating this community as something that exist only to reconfirm your own opinion - when it doesn't, you call it dumb and ignore it. Frankly, I'm going to agree with Geny here, moderation does nothing with this behavior and it's annoying.
just a friendly FYI dude because I keep seeing you make this mistake lately,
this guy is Geny, and this guy is GenyaArikavo, there's a big difference, would definitely try to avoid conflating the two lol
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 06, 2015 02:59 PM |
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Sligneris said:
Again, literally ignoring some else's point entirely. You didn't answer anything in Dies's statement, while he brought up a very good point, that defending Ashan is not out of place in this thread and that posting memes is hardly constructive.
Aren't you an adult? Don't you have something better to do? You're literally treating this community as something that exist only to reconfirm your own opinion - when it doesn't, you call it dumb and ignore it. You don't care about opinions that aren't identical to your own and constantly belittle them, as if they don't matter. Frankly, I'm going to agree with Genya here, moderation does nothing with this behavior and it's annoying.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/120/859/tree.jpg
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Dies_Irae
Supreme Hero
with the perfect plan
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posted April 06, 2015 03:09 PM |
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Galaad said:
and maybe you could have seen this?
Could have, should have and perhaps would have, but in any case it escaped the full span of my ever-so-curious attention. Also I am anything but active on this forum so many things may go unnoticed to my essence.
On a side note: Jeremiah is back, he has posted three comments (twice under the Lich/Vampire vote results and once under Stronghold Screenshots).
I hadn't voted in this thread's poll yet, and I went for 'No'. I think that Ashan to me is a much more fantasy-true realm than the other worlds. "High Fantasy" as has been explained by people on this forum, which after LotR seemed to be very popular. I understand that M&M has sci-fi elements to it, and I'm not sure how 'visible' this is in H3. I never found any trace of that playing H3, to me it too is a very rich fantasy novel. Fantasy is among my favorite genres (Sci-Fi too for that matter), but I am not in favor of a clear mix of the two.
Still, with the dawn of H5 and the new world of Ashan, there was much from the good old Heroes 3 in a new form. As such it has evolved to H6 and now H7, improved with each installment. It looks good, even though I'm now so used to H6 that H5 appears a bit 'old', it still looks beautiful the way it has been shaped. In Ashan there be dragons, a creature that is battling gryphons for the number 1 spot on my Favorite Fantasy/Mythology Creature list.
Of course, Ashan runs deeper. There is a whole philosophy in that world, and there is much to say about it if you bear in mind the timeline found on Age of Heroes. The whole concept of Dragon Gods to me offers structure. Every race has its own deity or some kind of 'example', its own ways of life, territory etc. Humans have Elrath, who is basically an all-out reference to the earthly Christian God with His angels, and because of that we have Inquisitors, Bishops, a whole Church...it's a good way of reflecting 'reality' in a game, and Haven does that quite nicely imo. The Elves have Sylanna, their guardian of the forest, mother of the Trees and what not. Don't ask me what kind of gods or religion there was in H3/H4 for I could not answer you. I don't know. Ashan makes it much more tangible.
Dragons being dragons, doesn't matter. They represent elements. Darkness, Earth, Fire, Air, Water etc. I remember from my Ancient Mythology class that Homer, who wrote about the Trojan War, was rebuked in later times for depicting the (Greek) gods the way he did: quarreling over an apple, actively taking sides in a war. However, later allegorical interpretation turned those gods into elements, or representations of the human psyche. The elements of earth are always at war, hence why they clashed together in the time of Troy. Now, the one image we always see in H6 when loading a map is Elrath and Malassa fighting, and just as there is turmoil between these dragons, such is the turmoil between Ashan's people.
To me it proves that religion is indeed the source of a lot of snow, and that's why Wizards provide a decent balance with their very atheistic behaviour and reliance on study. Orcs too don't worship Dragons, no matter how much that snowball Anton wanted them to turn from Father Sky to Father Elrath. Necropolis is a different call, they turn to Asha, or more exactly, her Death-aspect which is associated with the Spider. They too are fanatic in their religion, and the Spider Goddess is the nucleus of their race. Something that ties them together and to the world.
Overall graphic looks, gods...what else? Storyline. Now, Lizard-Warrior says it's boring to have Demons as every game's plot-device. There is an eclipse, there are demons, everyone unites against them. Well, as every good story there has to be a clear antagonist that is causing trouble. However, the same antagonist over and over again makes it feel too repetitive. Here I agree with him, in that it should not always be the Demons wreaking havoc. That's why H7 is going to be promising since it doesn't feature Demons at all, even though the whole civil war was caused by a Succubus who murdered the empress. In that respect you can assume that they are still pulling the strings here and there, and are still ever-present but not the main focus.
Although the challenge posed by fighting Demons in H5 and 6 was worth every bit of my time, I hope to see some other things in the future. It would deny the Demon's true nature, but why not make them the power that saves Ashan from a new, even more destructive enemy (which has to be inserted in the lore somehow). Necropolis could go all-evil, we don't know.
I remember a few dialogues from H5, I can recite them by heart. That doesn't go for H6 that much. Not every character was as interesting, but I still enjoyed playing their campaigns and hearing their stories. Ashan certainly has potential, if not now, then at least for the future. Also, I don't think it's a good idea to keep blowing up worlds and turn to others. That way you end up with a very fragmented game series, which is only connected by its title but represents millions of worlds within it. It's like the James Bond-franchise. So many actors playing the same role.
Amen .
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted April 06, 2015 03:12 PM |
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You still didn't read my four parts did you?
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