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posted September 09, 2014 12:04 AM |
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fred79 said:
the question is, how is muslim culture really any different from, say, capitalism, as far as destruction, slavery, and general disregard for the intricate designs of human and natural life?
you can probably take any system or culture and there will always be someone saying that it causes "destruction, slavery, and general disregard for the intricate designs of human and natural life"
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Lexxan
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posted September 09, 2014 12:26 AM |
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Anyone who thinks that book's message provides a truthful projection of world events to childrenviews the world in black and white, which is ironic considering it's a colouring book.
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fred79
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posted September 09, 2014 12:30 AM |
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lol. 
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Fauch
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posted September 09, 2014 03:59 AM |
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I've done this joke before 
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posted September 09, 2014 04:54 AM |
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fred79 said:
the question is, how is muslim culture really any different from, say, capitalism, as far as destruction, slavery, and general disregard for the intricate designs of human and natural life? the way i see it, every group of people have issues. i don't see one being any better than the other, not in the least.
One is a system that lets people associate freely and work to satisfy each others' desires, the other is a religion with numerous harmful teachings. I know it's fashionable to be cynical and say "Both sides are equally bad", but this is a case where that's completely wrong.
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fred79
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posted September 09, 2014 12:41 PM |
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i know it's fashionable to argue with me, but in this case you're completely wrong. if you can't see what i'm getting at, it's best if you don't act like you can. k?
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Fauch
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posted September 09, 2014 03:27 PM |
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mvassilev said:
One is a system that lets people associate freely and work to satisfy each others' desires
could say the same about socialism for example
mvassilev said:
the other is a religion with numerous harmful teachings.
and no good ones?
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artu
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posted September 09, 2014 05:45 PM |
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Capitalism has many different models. If your options are a capitalist liberal democracy and an Islamic theocracy, the preferable choice is a no-brainer for sure. However, when you think capitalist business is a magic wand and will make all our social, economical and even ontological problems such as death itself disappear, as stated in this continuous line of baseless wishful thinking, it means you are far from a realistic analysis of it:
I want markets in part because I believe that markets destroy traditional institutions, and because traditional institutions very often richly deserve to be destroyed... What I predict is emphatically not a traditional society, but something nearer its opposite... It is an intensely egalitarian, borderless, leaderless, nearly anarchic post-scarcity society. Recreation has replaced the career, and it is pursued with a focus and an intensity that we barely understand. Sexuality is fluid, voluntary, safe, and fun. Drugs? Genetically engineered glands provide safe, non-addictive alterations in mood and/or perception, whenever you want them. Death? It is usually a choice, because aging and disease no longer exist... In short, I think that commerce is going to upset nearly everything traditional about our society.
Markets don't necessarily destroy traditional institutions, they gladly use them, the traditional institutions also use capitalism back, because guess what, money brings power. And the people in business are not idealist libertarians like the one quoted above, who writes like a 16 year-old blogger. Some are in fact, greedy, ruthless tycoons. Without zero restriction, they dominate the market and try to make more money, not a better world. The free association of people can be very easily cornered and bought out, if you have the economical power and the political gravitas that comes with it. Competition does not always mean better products, it also means a lot of backstabbing and manipulation which are, at least technically, very well within the boundaries of free association and mostly legal. Suggesting capitalism as a solution for every problem in the world, while it is capitalism itself that directly gave birth to numerous of them including colonialism, is an overwhelmingly misguided approach. It is capitalism that creates the war in the Middle-East, since WW1. Islam only flames it brighter with a fundamentalist retouch.
I am not even mentioning the psychological part, where people are constantly conditioned to want more and never feel satisfied, so that the companies will sell more products. In the end, most of them turn into quenchless, dissatisfied jerks who categorically cant feel happy no matter how many useless junk they consume and end up envying their great-grandfather who was able to feel greater joy just watching the sunset or when there was no worm in the apple.
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posted September 09, 2014 06:37 PM |
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are capitalism and a leaderless, near anarchic society compatible? because capitalism allows the accumulation of money, and that is power.
though the leader may initially have no more power than anyone else, his power coming from the fact that people follow him, but it is something that is impossible to avoid.
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Suggesting capitalism as a solution for every problem in the world, while it is capitalism itself that directly gave birth to numerous of them including colonialism, is an overwhelmingly misguided approach. It is capitalism that creates the war in the Middle-East, since WW1. Islam only flames it brighter with a fundamentalist retouch.
the fact that the privilege of money creation is owned only by a few people plays a big role as well, but it can probably be included in capitalism, since banks act as any other capitalist company, with the goal of making profit. many wars in middle orient were because (among other reasons) countries would no more accept exclusively dollars for their oil, which meant that the fed would have lost its monopoly and opportunity to sell its dollars. and that could ultimately lead to the crumble of american economy (they can only support their huge debt, because the world needs dollars for oil) as well as the world economy (since dollar is the world money)
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posted September 09, 2014 11:01 PM |
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are capitalism and a leaderless, near anarchic society compatible?
Capitalism is a near-anarchical system by definition. Marx even called it "the anarchy of production". People freely interacting for mutual benefit is pretty close to anarchy, with government only making sure that interactions are indeed peaceful and non-deceptive.
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posted September 10, 2014 02:09 AM |
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I'm not sure how Bradley Manning ended up in the terrorist color book, considering that he exposed terrorist acts rather than committing them. Gotta love that last sentence "he now wants to be a woman", already inducing anti LGBT sentiments at the start of primary school.
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Doomhammer
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posted September 27, 2014 12:06 PM |
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This is nearly as good as the "how not to be a serial killer sticker book "
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