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Kronos1000
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posted September 14, 2014 05:16 PM |
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For me personally Balance is the one I really do not want. Strength has in my opinion the strongest line-up, but not a very good playing style. Balance has the worst line-up in my opinion and an in-between playing style. Fury has the best playing style and an okay line-up, so Fury has my preference. I really don't mind Blade Dancers (I don't hate them, I don't love them)and I liked the Deers in Clash of Heroes. So this is why I chose Fury.
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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Storm-Giant
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On the Other Side!
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posted September 14, 2014 05:17 PM |
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No one said the choice would be easy
I still hope Phoenix won't be a blatant copy of Arcane Birds (Elvin explained well in General Discussion thread).
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JoonasTo
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Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted September 14, 2014 05:18 PM |
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Dragons actually spit out methane.
Just saying.
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RMZ1989
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posted September 14, 2014 05:25 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
No one said the choice would be easy
I still hope Phoenix won't be a blatant copy of Arcane Birds (Elvin explained well in General Discussion thread).
If Balance wins, I hope exactly for that, just so those that vote for Balance won't enjoy those Moonixes, not a bit.
Yes, I am evil. You could tell that by me playing Necropolis and Inferno mostly. 
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Give a man a mask, and he'll
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Alex_Yakub
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posted September 14, 2014 05:26 PM |
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Wtf? I go to the country side for a few hours, come back, and what do I see? Stupidest of the lineups is actually on the second place! What is wrong with those people?
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RMZ1989
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posted September 14, 2014 05:29 PM |
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Alex_Yakub said:
Wtf? I go to the country side for a few hours, come back, and what do I see? Stupidest of the lineups is actually on the second place! What is wrong with those people?
Nothing wrong with them, they just have different opinions and preferences than you.
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Give a man a mask, and he'll
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Alex_Yakub
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posted September 14, 2014 05:35 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Alex_Yakub said:
Wtf? I go to the country side for a few hours, come back, and what do I see? Stupidest of the lineups is actually on the second place! What is wrong with those people?
Nothing wrong with them, they just have different opinions and preferences than you.
I don't say they are wrong, I say what they vote for is wrong
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 14, 2014 05:36 PM |
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RMZ1989 said:
Storm-Giant said:
No one said the choice would be easy
I still hope Phoenix won't be a blatant copy of Arcane Birds (Elvin explained well in General Discussion thread).
If Balance wins, I hope exactly for that, just so those that vote for Balance won't enjoy those Moonixes, not a bit.
Yes, I am evil. You could tell that by me playing Necropolis and Inferno mostly.
Curse you!
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 05:36 PM |
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Kronos1000 said:
For me personally Balance is the one I really do not want. Strength has in my opinion the strongest line-up, but not a very good playing style. Balance has the worst line-up in my opinion and an in-between playing style. Fury has the best playing style and an okay line-up, so Fury has my preference. I really don't mind Blade Dancers (I don't hate them, I don't love them)and I liked the Deers in Clash of Heroes.
I feel like Strength is good over all, while Balance excels in the line up and is pretty okay in game play, while Fury sits between them game play wise but is horrid in the line up. I feel if you want something, you should go all the way. Besides, they can tweak game-play aspects after the vote is decided, but they wont tweak line up. I'd rather the better line up get chosen.
And your comment has clarified why I don't like Deer in the first place. I loathed Deer in Clash. Not because of their ability, which was useful. They weren't "Sun Deer" or "moon doe", just plain deer. They jump over walls? Why didn't ANY UNIT THAT CAN FLY do that? Why couldn't something like a Pegasus have that instead? Its ability made it "powerful", but it was a dumb creature, put above bears. In what world would a group of bears be weaker than a single deer? (Again, they weren't "sun deer", just plain deer.) I felt Clash of Heroes had everything almost perfect for Sylvan, but between Bears and Deer, it was... just... no. I never used them once I leveled them fully. Another reason why I think line up should trump game-play in this vote.
Any fun ability, with good creativity, could be gifted to a well designed unit for a line up, but an uninspired line up provides limited desire to use those units again, even if the ability is good.
This same reason is why I, and many others it seems, disliked Sanctuary, even though I thought I would love them. I liked the naga units, the Kappa and Kirin, while the shark guard were okay. But the Spring Spirit and Snow Maiden, these two were what made an uninspired line up (two units that basically just looked like humans, with some particle effects) and really brought down the enjoyment. Their abilities could have been given to more interesting ice and water units, but, no, they were bland look-a-likes.
In the end, form and function should meld together.
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Kronos1000
Promising
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Fryslân Boppe
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posted September 14, 2014 05:36 PM |
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Alex_Yakub said:
Wtf? I go to the country side for a few hours, come back, and what do I see? Stupidest of the lineups is actually on the second place! What is wrong with those people?
No it isn't, Balance is number one actually
But on a more serious note, I just explained why I chose Fury. You are entitled to your own opinion of course, but I think Balance is the weakest of the three.
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted September 14, 2014 05:39 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
DarkLord said:
Don't understand how people are ready to ditch Unicorns for Flaming chicken and Bumbee Deers
People don't want gay horses in game
Wouldn't call Deers very manly either 
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Alex_Yakub
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posted September 14, 2014 05:39 PM |
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Kronos1000 said:
Alex_Yakub said:
Wtf? I go to the country side for a few hours, come back, and what do I see? Stupidest of the lineups is actually on the second place! What is wrong with those people?
No it isn't, Balance is number one actually
But on a more serious note, I just explained why I chose Fury. You are entitled to your own opinion of course, but I think Balance is the weakest of the three.
I agree Balance is not perfect, as I myself voted Strength, but Fury is just... off for me So I am choosing the lesser of two evils now
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 05:46 PM |
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Fury for the strategy. I already voted that in the Sylvan vs Fortress vote so I expect nothing less. I'm not convinced at all by Unicorns and Phoenixes which btw are both DEFENSIVE. Read their descriptions.
What I wonder now is what if instead of the Deer they gave us Pegasus. Most likely people would've flocked to that. But I'd have still chosen independent of that. I value strategy above creature skins.
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Steyn
Supreme Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 05:49 PM |
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Strength
Pros:
- root snake: i envision this as a concious vine, which very much suits a forest faction + a new creature that is not elf or female shaped spirit creature, yay!
- emerald knight: although elven, it is a new creature and likely better than blade dancers
- unicorn: iconic sylvan creature
- treant as champion: with swordbearer as champion, treants cannot be mere elites
Cons:
- maybe a bit too defensive
- synergy between dryads and treants might force your champion decision
Con-cons:
- guerilla warfare is a defensive tactic. You use the layout of the land (and entanglement by vines) to force the enemy in a vulnerable position, where you finish him off.
- do you guys really think the developers would make the synergy between dryads and treants so OP that the dragons wouldn't be an interesting choice anymore?!
Balance
Pros:
- root snake: i envision this as a concious vine, which very much suits a forest faction + a new creature that is not elf or female shaped spirit creature, yay!
emerald knight: although elven, it is a new creature and likely better than blade dancers
- pixies: these little buggers are really nice core units and I would love to see them back
Cons:
- treant as elite: with swordbearer as champion, treants cannot be mere elites
- phoenix: a fiery bird in a forest faction, seriously?! furthermore the phoenix has been tied to Asha, which i really like, so don't put it with the followers of sylanna. And won't we see it as a neutral anyway..?
Con-cons:
- for nostalgic reasons some may want the phoenix back with the elves, but imo this is a really bad reason. Especially if the phoenix would anyway be in the game as neutral, maybe even available for everyone (through summoning).
Fury
Pros:
- Deer: was nice in CoH, so it would be good to see it back. However, isn't a sun deer associated with elrath? As such I would think them better fit as neutral.
- offensive: as one does not easily associates frail elves with defence, the offensive role seems cut-out for them
Cons:
- no root snakes: i like their concept
- both dryads and pixies as core: these are probably too similar; look at heroes VI sanctuary
- blade dancer as elite: imo a little bit too ambitious
Con-cons:
- dryads and pixies will probably play really different and also look sufficiently different. Nonetheless, the same could be said for yuki-onna and mizu-kami
- bladedancers might just pull it off, but they will be enormous glass cannons
- iirc heroes V unicorns were also aligned with elrath
Conclusion
I would really hate to so the phoenix end up with sylvan and think line-up wise Strength is the best option.
Gameplay wise I don't really care, especially not with that quote from Marzhin that sylvan would anyway be quite offensive, even with the defensive line-up.
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Kronos1000
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posted September 14, 2014 05:50 PM |
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@Protolisk: As I said I think Strength's line-up is really good, but the problem arises with its play style. There are no flyers and most of its units are rather tankish which is not a good thing. I don't think Fury's line-up is that bad and we don't know what abilities the Moon Doe will have, if it has some jump ability with a cooldown, this unit may compensate for the low amount of flyers. Plus in regular Heroes it will make more sense as flyers can fly over walls as well. Which is why I think Fury is the best option, though Strength is my second choice.
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Hwær cwom mearg? Hwær cwom mago?
Hwær cwom maþþumgyfa? - 'The Wanderer'
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alex_yakub
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posted September 14, 2014 05:52 PM |
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That's one nice analysis you've got there, Steyn
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted September 14, 2014 05:54 PM |
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Stevie said:
Fury for the strategy. I already voted that in the Sylvan vs Fortress vote so I expect nothing less. I'm not convinced at all by Unicorns and Phoenixes which btw are both DEFENSIVE. Read their descriptions.
What I wonder now is what if instead of the Deer they gave us Pegasus. Most likely people would've flocked to that. But I'd have still chosen independent of that. I value strategy above creature skins.
I don't know man, you are turned away from Phoenixes, but would gladly take both Treants and Dragons, both of which are described as tough, and are not fast? And you want the Dryad, which would be primarily healing your tanky defensive Treant, which would further it towards a defensive line up? And you say that Sylanna is the one that isn't defensive? And you'll be forced to take those Dryads, so if you decide to take the less "defensive" champion, the Dragon, you'll be stuck with a sub-optimal core unit. That means less strategy.
I know Strength is defensive, it prides itself on that. But Fury seems way more defensive and restrictive than Balance. I know those names seem counter intuitive, but that's what it looks like for me.
@Kronos1000 So, you want a unit that might be able to fly, over a unit that can fly? I know you were okay with Strength's line up, and to me I would like it's gameplay, but yes, that's an opinion. But I get the feeling Fury is counter intuitive to what it describes, as described above.
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alex_yakub
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posted September 14, 2014 05:58 PM |
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Protolisk said:
Stevie said:
Fury for the strategy. I already voted that in the Sylvan vs Fortress vote so I expect nothing less. I'm not convinced at all by Unicorns and Phoenixes which btw are both DEFENSIVE. Read their descriptions.
What I wonder now is what if instead of the Deer they gave us Pegasus. Most likely people would've flocked to that. But I'd have still chosen independent of that. I value strategy above creature skins.
I don't know man, you are turned away from Phoenixes, but would gladly take both Treants and Dragons, both of which are described as tough, and are not fast? And you want the Dryad, which would be primarily healing your tanky defensive Treant, which would further it towards a defensive line up? And you say that Sylanna is the one that isn't defensive? And you'll be forced to take those Dryads, so if you decide to take the less "defensive" champion, the Dragon, you'll be stuck with a sub-optimal core unit. That means less strategy.
I know Strength is defensive, it prides itself on that. But Fury seems way more defensive and restrictive than Balance. I know those names seem counter intuitive, but that's what it looks like for me.
@Kronos1000 So, you want a unit that might be able to fly, over a unit that can fly? I know you were okay with Strength's line up, and to me I would like it's gameplay, but yes, that's an opinion. But I get the feeling Fury is counter intuitive to what it describes, as described above.
I couldn't say it any better myself!
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lokdron
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posted September 14, 2014 06:09 PM |
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After thinking about it I changed my vote to fury.
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alex_yakub
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posted September 14, 2014 06:18 PM |
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And Fury gains one more percent. This is pathetic 
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