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Stevie
Stevie


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posted September 14, 2014 06:21 PM

Protolisk said:
Stevie said:
Fury for the strategy. I already voted that in the Sylvan vs Fortress vote so I expect nothing less. I'm not convinced at all by Unicorns and Phoenixes which btw are both DEFENSIVE. Read their descriptions.

What I wonder now is what if instead of the Deer they gave us Pegasus. Most likely people would've flocked to that. But I'd have still chosen independent of that. I value strategy above creature skins.


I don't know man, you are turned away from Phoenixes, but would gladly take both Treants and Dragons, both of which are described as tough, and are not fast? And you want the Dryad, which would be primarily healing your tanky defensive Treant, which would further it towards a defensive line up? And you say that Sylanna is the one that isn't defensive? And you'll be forced to take those Dryads, so if you decide to take the less "defensive" champion, the Dragon, you'll be stuck with a sub-optimal core unit. That means less strategy.

I know Strength is defensive, it prides itself on that. But Fury seems way more defensive and restrictive than Balance. I know those names seem counter intuitive, but that's what it looks like for me.



LoL.

So the line-up that is described as being the most offensive, is actually defensive. That pretty much sums up your argument. Well, that's just wrong plain and simple.

Treants are tanks sure, But so are Phoenixes. You just have to read the descriptions. They basically have the same role, Utility-Tanks. One has self res, one has synergy with dryad. One can fly, one can root down opponents. The alternative, the dragon, is indeed tough but not just that, he's the Damage Dealer. Again, read the description.

I already explained why I voted for Fury, 2 creatures with root is enough, I don't need a 3rd one. Defensive play is out of the question, I'm tired of turtle factions. I voted for Sylvan having in mind their military description: They hate a stand-up fight and prefer guerilla tactics. And I don't want anything less than that. I want the most mobile and guerilla strategy I can get, so Fury.


Btw, 35%

GO FURY!!

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lokdron
lokdron


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posted September 14, 2014 06:23 PM

I like how the line up voting has divided the whole community. XD

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Kronos1000
Kronos1000


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Fryslân Boppe
posted September 14, 2014 06:30 PM
Edited by Kronos1000 at 18:31, 14 Sep 2014.

Protolisk said:
Stevie said:
Fury for the strategy. I already voted that in the Sylvan vs Fortress vote so I expect nothing less. I'm not convinced at all by Unicorns and Phoenixes which btw are both DEFENSIVE. Read their descriptions.

What I wonder now is what if instead of the Deer they gave us Pegasus. Most likely people would've flocked to that. But I'd have still chosen independent of that. I value strategy above creature skins.


I don't know man, you are turned away from Phoenixes, but would gladly take both Treants and Dragons, both of which are described as tough, and are not fast? And you want the Dryad, which would be primarily healing your tanky defensive Treant, which would further it towards a defensive line up? And you say that Sylanna is the one that isn't defensive? And you'll be forced to take those Dryads, so if you decide to take the less "defensive" champion, the Dragon, you'll be stuck with a sub-optimal core unit. That means less strategy.

I know Strength is defensive, it prides itself on that. But Fury seems way more defensive and restrictive than Balance. I know those names seem counter intuitive, but that's what it looks like for me.

@Kronos1000 So, you want a unit that might be able to fly, over a unit that can fly? I know you were okay with Strength's line up, and to me I would like it's gameplay, but yes, that's an opinion. But I get the feeling Fury is counter intuitive to what it describes, as described above.


I think you and I agree more than we disagree and I agree with most of Steyn's analysis, you're not making the choice easier that's for sure. Still I am not convinced by Strength's gameplay. Strength was actually my choice until we learned the dragons would be walkers, I might change back when they release more information and it turns out Strength is not as defensive as it seems.

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alex_yakub
alex_yakub


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posted September 14, 2014 06:39 PM
Edited by alex_yakub at 18:59, 14 Sep 2014.

lokdron said:
I like how the line up voting has divided the whole community. XD

I don't even want to imagine what will happen with sixth faction lineup It will be a full-scale war
EDIT: Is it me, or the main site is down?
EDIT2: damn, as soon, as I posted the first edit, site loaded

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flonembourg
flonembourg


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posted September 14, 2014 07:13 PM
Edited by flonembourg at 19:14, 14 Sep 2014.

i clearly don't understand why people choose sylana fury's line up!

Ok you don't like Phoenix... well vote strenght of the forest instead!

With cool unicorn instead of what? DEER???

the core line up is so boring: Pixies and alternative pixies (well Dryad if you want).

Elite as i say Deer??? instead of iconic unicorn
And the incredible Gaydancer!

Guys it's a nightmare!! vote "Balance" or "Strenght" they are good both
BUT
NO To THE SYLANA LINE UP THE WORST EVER!

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fuChris
fuChris


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Master to the Speed of Light
posted September 14, 2014 07:17 PM

it's such fun to witness such delicious butt-hurt.

GO fury

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alex_yakub
alex_yakub


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posted September 14, 2014 07:18 PM

flonembourg said:
i clearly don't understand why people choose sylana fury's line up!

Ok you don't like Phoenix... well vote strenght of the forest instead!

With cool unicorn instead of what? DEER???

the core line up is so boring: Pixies and alternative pixies (well Dryad if you want).

Elite as i say Deer??? instead of iconic unicorn
And the incredible Gaydancer!

Guys it's a nightmare!! vote "Balance" or "Strenght" they are good both
BUT
NO To THE SYLANA LINE UP THE WORST EVER!

Yeah, can't get it either. Besides, I don't think anyone in his mind would change his vote from Strength to Fury because Strength was so close to the win. I have a feeling it is someone cheating...

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Dj
Dj


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Always loyal to HC
posted September 14, 2014 07:28 PM

Quote:

Yeah, can't get it either. Besides, I don't think anyone in his mind would change his vote from Strength to Fury because Strength was so close to the win. I have a feeling it is someone cheating...

i dont think so. actually, hardcore heroes fans (who voted for iconic unicorn creature) from HC or other communities got to vote first since they're always up-to-date and as you can see this poll's winner is strength of the forest. Sylanna's fury got the votes from other players who got there later and think that this option if more appealing. now, those who have seen that Strength already lost the battle changed their vote too.

ps: GO SYLANNA'S FURY!

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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted September 14, 2014 07:37 PM

it was made on purpose, like in elections. the worst always win

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adriancat
adriancat


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posted September 14, 2014 07:41 PM

Dj said:
Quote:

Yeah, can't get it either. Besides, I don't think anyone in his mind would change his vote from Strength to Fury because Strength was so close to the win. I have a feeling it is someone cheating...

i dont think so. actually, hardcore heroes fans (who voted for iconic unicorn creature) from HC or other communities got to vote first since they're always up-to-date and as you can see this poll's winner is strength of the forest. Sylanna's fury got the votes from other players who got there later and think that this option if more appealing. now, those who have seen that Strength already lost the battle changed their vote too.

ps: GO SYLANNA'S FURY!


With votes changing from one day to another, I don't think that any line-up lost the battle at this moment

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Raelag84
Raelag84


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posted September 14, 2014 07:45 PM

alex_yakub said:

Yeah, can't get it either. Besides, I don't think anyone in his mind would change his vote from Strength to Fury because Strength was so close to the win. I have a feeling it is someone cheating...


Are you kidding me? There's got to be cheating going every which way.  

Just wait till you see that dungeon v Inferno vote, it will be all about which side can cheat the best.

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DemonDuck
DemonDuck

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posted September 14, 2014 08:00 PM

Hey guys, first of all, I am new here !!! Been stalking since TotE and now decided to create an account because of the hype that is ..heroes VII  

Ok, to the point, I choose Fury over Strength and Balance and I will try to explain and (hopefully) persuade  you guys into choosing Fury, because it is the most suitable line-up.

Well I know with all the analyzing things, pros and cons, etc... Balance is more awesome, but let just use your imagine senses and roly-playing it a bit . Ok here we go :  

- Pixie and Dryad over Root Python : First, I think that this snake and python things are really not suit for sylvan . Why ? Well because snake are more of an evil and cunning creature, while Sylvan is more of a good factions, am i right ? Just imagine a bunch of evil snakes fighting along side with noble, courteous, cool-looking elves. Eww . Beside, I know that probably we will get Pixie and Dryad as copy/paste version ( like Spring Spirits and Yuki-Onna ) but let just say that I will put my two cents in Limbic this time and I WOULD happy to see very different Pixie and Dryad ( Pixie is more of a fairy things, with cute butterfly wings and a playful mood while Dryad is a mysterious, sacred tree-girl with sexy body )

- Doe/Deer over Unicorn : Well I've just finished CoH, and oh boy does those Deers look awesome (Okay maybe not that awesome, but still). I think that Deer will suit very good with the Elves culture, they look very calm, courteous, noble, and athletic,  very very classsssy ( I love that scene in the Hobbit with the Elf riding a Deer ). On the other hand, Unicorn are so old and boring, just a horse with a horn, I mean, C'mon guys, try something new this time .

- Blade Dancers over Emerald Knight : I can understand all the hate over the Blade Dancers, I know, I know. But I think that this unit is more suitable than the Emerald Knight : Take a deep breath and imagine you are inside an elf village. You are an elf, with you, swordsmanship is more of an art, a dance move, a spiritual sport for your mind, in other words, basically you just do it for the flashy, not for the practical of it. See, now Blade Dancers IS very RELEVANT. Blade Dancers are very very appropriate for Sylvan and Elven cultures . What about Emerald Knight ? I dunno, Why do elves have KNIGHTS ??? Shouldn't it be a human thing ? Elves don't follow the knight code, aren't they ? There is little information about this unit but still i think that it is not suitable with the elven cultures as blade dancers. Just change the gay appearance of Dancers in Heroes V and everything will be Okay.

Treant/Dragon over phoenix. Well I think that phoenix MUST be in Heroes VII, BUT it MUST be a neutral creature. It just does not fit in with Sylvan atmosphere. Phoenix is not a forest related creature, hence it won't fix in with Sylvan ( how does a magic-burning-bird fix in with a forest-theme factions, seriously, guys ??? ). Well if the dev like a fast, flying creature, I'm thinking more of a giant, beautiful looking Moths/Butterflies things. That would be nice. Treants and Dragons are all about awesome. I mean who wouldn't love a giant, powerful, angry Tree-Man bashing away knights, demons, golems, right ? And, IMHO, Dragons are one of the few things that DEFINE the heroes series and make them which they are now, right ? so why tossed the dragons away ?    

There, I said it . Sorry for my long post  Hope you enjoy

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blob2
blob2


Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted September 14, 2014 08:08 PM

I don't know why, but I imagine root pythons like this


Only with appropriate "green" accents

But of course, it will probably be sth like this:


(^That's a plants root to be exact )

I just hope they'll make it an interesting unit.

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SepSpring
SepSpring


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posted September 14, 2014 08:12 PM

Why are they mixing creatures in this way?.. I really can't decide on one of these line-ups.
I need the fourth one. With Dryads, Hunters and Pixies in Core, Druids, Treants (to avoid the situation when choosing Dragons over Treants as Champions results in Dryads losing their unique synergy ability) and Unicorns in Elite, Green Dragons and Phoenixes as Champions. I'd definitely vote for this option.

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Hotarubi
Hotarubi


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posted September 14, 2014 08:19 PM

SepSpring said:
Why are they mixing creatures in this way?.. I really can't decide on one of these line-ups.
I need the fourth one. With Dryads, Hunters and Pixies in Core, Druids, Treants (to avoid the situation when choosing Dragons over Treants as Champions results in Dryads losing their unique synergy ability) and Unicorns in Elite, Green Dragons and Phoenixes as Champions. I'd definitely vote for this option.



Yaaaaasssss biiissshhh yaaaaaasss bisssh!!!

Totally agree. I'm interested in the deer, so if they replace unicorns in this lineup I'll be fine with that too. But for now, fury for me. Go Stevie, headline dat campaign!!!

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Protolisk
Protolisk


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posted September 14, 2014 08:22 PM
Edited by Protolisk at 20:24, 14 Sep 2014.

Stevie said:
Protolisk said:
Stevie said:
Fury for the strategy. I already voted that in the Sylvan vs Fortress vote so I expect nothing less. I'm not convinced at all by Unicorns and Phoenixes which btw are both DEFENSIVE. Read their descriptions.

What I wonder now is what if instead of the Deer they gave us Pegasus. Most likely people would've flocked to that. But I'd have still chosen independent of that. I value strategy above creature skins.


I don't know man, you are turned away from Phoenixes, but would gladly take both Treants and Dragons, both of which are described as tough, and are not fast? And you want the Dryad, which would be primarily healing your tanky defensive Treant, which would further it towards a defensive line up? And you say that Sylanna is the one that isn't defensive? And you'll be forced to take those Dryads, so if you decide to take the less "defensive" champion, the Dragon, you'll be stuck with a sub-optimal core unit. That means less strategy.

I know Strength is defensive, it prides itself on that. But Fury seems way more defensive and restrictive than Balance. I know those names seem counter intuitive, but that's what it looks like for me.



LoL.

So the line-up that is described as being the most offensive, is actually defensive. That pretty much sums up your argument. Well, that's just wrong plain and simple.

Treants are tanks sure, But so are Phoenixes. You just have to read the descriptions. They basically have the same role, Utility-Tanks. One has self res, one has synergy with dryad. One can fly, one can root down opponents. The alternative, the dragon, is indeed tough but not just that, he's the Damage Dealer. Again, read the description.

I already explained why I voted for Fury, 2 creatures with root is enough, I don't need a 3rd one. Defensive play is out of the question, I'm tired of turtle factions. I voted for Sylvan having in mind their military description: They hate a stand-up fight and prefer guerilla tactics. And I don't want anything less than that. I want the most mobile and guerilla strategy I can get, so Fury.


Btw, 35%

GO FURY!!


You're right, I should read the description.

I read "tough" and "tough" for both Dragon, and Treant. Sounds like they are equally tanky. Also, it seems they are both walkers. Phoenix are "hard to kill" because they can "self ressurect". Can we now agree that all champions are tanky? Yes? No? Even if Dragons aren't tanky, all line ups have them, so that's a null point.

You say you'd prefer them to "hate a stand up fight" and "prefer guerrilla tactics". Too bad Dryads seems to have the ability to heal Treants, and that alone, which would force you to take the tanky Champion if you'd like to get in on that ability. If you don't, my guess is you have a mildly useless walker who would have to go into a stand up fight and no longer prefer guerrilla tactics.

Blade Dancers target multiple people. Nice! Can the enemy retaliate? Hopefully not, but if so, that would certainly allow for your enemies to engage you in a stand up fight.

I have no comment on the Deer, no clue as to what they can do.

Among this, you have 2 archers, a no-retal core, a multi target fighter which needs to be in the thick of battle to do max damage, a support for a tank, a tank, and a "tough damage dealer", with a wild card.

I never said this was the "tankiest", which would definitely go to Strength.

However, among Balance we have:
-the same two archers
-the same "tough damage dealer"
-the same no-retal core
-The "tank" reduced to an elite with no dedicated support
-A flying "tank" for mobility.
-A strike and return unit (sounds like hit and run tactics, i.e guerrilla warfare)
-a "super-fast saboteur" that puts enemies on lock-down, i.e. guerrilla warfare

Thank you for telling me to read. I have learned much, and have decided that Balance has more fast units, more ways to keep the enemies in a bad position so that our units can superbly survive their various hit and run tactics, not need a defensive support, and have a choice between a flying tank and a walking "not tank" damage dealer instead of two walking champs, both of which are listed as "tough".

You are right! Reading is fun!

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Stevie
Stevie


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Undefeatable Hero
posted September 14, 2014 08:25 PM

Hotarubi said:

Yaaaaasssss biiissshhh yaaaaaasss bisssh!!!

Totally agree. I'm interested in the deer, so if they replace unicorns in this lineup I'll be fine with that too. But for now, fury for me. Go Stevie, headline dat campaign!!!


LOL. I'm on it
There's just this ultra lag, I can't make things faster.


GO FURY!

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RMZ1989
RMZ1989


Supreme Hero
posted September 14, 2014 08:34 PM

The poll has been compromised! At least Wellplay said so, that apparently some guy invited his friends(that don't have a clue about Heroes) to vote for Fury.

If that is the case, I don't see much of these votes changing.
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Alex_Yakub
Alex_Yakub


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posted September 14, 2014 08:53 PM
Edited by Alex_Yakub at 20:55, 14 Sep 2014.

Yay, Balance leads by 2% now!!! (Although I would be happier if it was Strength who was leading)
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Kronos1000
Kronos1000


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Fryslân Boppe
posted September 14, 2014 09:15 PM

28%-36%-36%! Fury and Balance are now tied.
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