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blizz
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of temper grace
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posted September 19, 2014 09:03 PM |
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@Royin Good job, you found the perfect example of fury voter. I wonder how many of them even played Heroes before...
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 09:08 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 21:12, 19 Sep 2014.
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Well a lot of people who wanted fortress in are not voting for the defensive line up because its stepping on the dwarves toes. Still what do you mean a "perfect example of a fury voter?" Don't start this discussion now.
Seriously you can stereotype both sides in a negative light from what I have seen don't do it. We all enjoy the series for different reasons. One line up is not more "true" than the other just vote for your favourite one.
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 19, 2014 09:09 PM |
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Royin said:
adriancat said:
Royin said:
alcibiades said:
Royin said:
The man is RIGHT ! We voted Sylvan because we wanted offence, we wanted guerilla strategy, we don't wanted a turtle Sylvan . So voting for Sylanna's Fury is the best choice now 
I was referring to the sentence that was underlined next to the red arrow stating "Me and my friends rather see elves screwed if we cannot win with our choice since you a******s outvoted fortress" which means that they are voting for Fury to screw over the Sylvan faction. This man of which you say he is RIGHT! isn't voting for Fury because he loves the offense, he's voting for it because he never wanted Sylvan to be in the game.
Then they're mad !  . I was just supporting Sylanna's Fury. I don't hate dwarves, but I like Elves more. Vote Furyyyy !
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 19, 2014 09:10 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:10, 19 Sep 2014.
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blizz said:
I wonder how many of them even played Heroes before...
I believe they played H5 but never got interested into prior titles.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 09:12 PM |
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blizz said:
@Royin Good job, you found the perfect example of fury voter. I wonder how many of them even played Heroes before...
I don't think people would find themselves on a Heroes community forum if they didn't at least play one Heroes game. So can you please cut it out with these silly remarks? Or are you genuinely unable to comprehend that each has his own likes, dislikes and their own opinion? I'm not bashing on you because you're a Balance voter, am I?
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 19, 2014 09:17 PM |
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Galaad said:
blizz said:
I wonder how many of them even played Heroes before...
I believe they played H5 but never got interested into prior titles.
I voted for Sylanna's Fury because for me, it seems just like a combination between Heroes 3 Rampart and Heroes 5 Sylvan. Both with offensive and defensive capabilities, like Sylanna's Fury line-up is, with 2 archers and Dryad-Treant combo for fefensive and Blade Dancers, Pixies, Sun Deers and Drags for offensive. So all vote Sylanna's Fury ! United, we can win ! United, we can drive the blue chickens out of our forests ! Vote Fury !
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 09:19 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 21:21, 19 Sep 2014.
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Balance went down by 1% to 39%. Strength has gone up by 1% to 21% and fury is still at 40%.
I think people are switching the votes I think its the blade dancer artwork, plus people finding out the Phoenix is not really related to Sylvan so to speak.
Honestly at the start many thought that fury would be the one at the bottom actually I thought it would be between strength and balance. Voting can surprise you sometimes I guess.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 09:21 PM |
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Galaad said:
adriancat said:
I voted for Sylanna's Fury because for me, it seems just like a combination between Heroes 3 Rampart and Heroes 5 Sylvan.
Rampart without Unicorns ? Are you out of your mind ?
Blame the vote. Not the voters.
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adriancat
Famous Hero
Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 19, 2014 09:21 PM |
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Galaad said:
adriancat said:
I voted for Sylanna's Fury because for me, it seems just like a combination between Heroes 3 Rampart and Heroes 5 Sylvan.
Rampart without Unicorns ? Are you out of your mind ?
I was referring at strategy, of course it can't have the exact line-up, but the strategy is important. And I think the strategy is the best in Sylanna's Fury
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blizz
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of temper grace
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posted September 19, 2014 09:21 PM |
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Stevie said:
I don't think people would find themselves on a Heroes community forum if they didn't at least play one Heroes game.
I heard a lot of different rumors claiming otherwise.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 19, 2014 09:23 PM |
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Stevie said:
Blame the vote. Not the voters.
From the very beginning I blamed the vote, opening an alternative lineup thread. I believe Unicorns, Blade dancers and Phoenix in the same lineup would work well for a vast majority.
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Kronos1000
Promising
Supreme Hero
Fryslân Boppe
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posted September 19, 2014 09:24 PM |
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blizz said:
@Royin Good job, you found the perfect example of fury voter. I wonder how many of them even played Heroes before...
Keep telling yourself that, you may just start believing it...
By the way 21%/39%/40%, Fury leads.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 09:26 PM |
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Kronos1000 said:
blizz said:
@Royin Good job, you found the perfect example of fury voter. I wonder how many of them even played Heroes before...
Keep telling yourself that, you may just start believing it...
By the way 21%/39%/40%, Fury leads.
Yeah I think its the blade dancer and the fact that phoenix has nothing to do with Sylvan that people are changing their votes.
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted September 19, 2014 09:27 PM |
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A lot of activity at the moment, but with the Creatures of Irollan part 2 out, I'm even more convinced that Strength is the best lineup. Since the other two have been argued for, I'll give my arguments as well, but first an assumption about the root snake. It says in the description: "Before it can be caught, the Root Snake quickly burrows itself, allowing it to escape the scene undetected." - I believe this creature will be able to pass walls and obstacles by moving underground. This would make sense given the apparent lack of flyers in two of the lineups.
Core
The core of the cores is the hunter, with the remaining cores assisting this damage dealer as best they can. Balance will have the root snake to entangle enemies and hold them off. The best use of the pixie is perhaps to block enemy shooters, but if my assumption about the snake is true, then the pixie is less useful with the low damage output. No enemy retaliation is actually a negative, because you can't use the pixie to take retaliations from the enemy in order to spare the snake, so the snake will suffer most damage. In Fury you have the same situation with the pixie, but with the dryad. Dryad does not have entangling abilities, but the combination with the trent could make up for that. Strength has the best combination, with snakes entangling enemies, dryads soaking up retaliations and doing more damage than the pixie, while the hunters kill them off. With the trent symbiosis, the dryad is even more prominent.
S > B = F
Elite
Again, all lineups have a ranged unit in common being the druid. They have entangling ability, and can most likely cast damage spells; "As such they are granted control over the various powers of Nature, which they call upon in times of peril.". The combination of entangling + spell makes much more sense than if it were a shooter, since the entangling would ruing their ranged ability. In Fury you have the stag which is a fast damage dealer, and the blade dancer which can attack multiple targets simultaneously. The stags role is pretty apparent, while the blade dancers use is more situational. It will probably have low defence/HP but with some magic protection; "Relying on evasion and quick action rather than resistance or brute force, Blade Dancers wear no armour, but often decorate their skin with magical protective paintings.". In Balance you have the trent with entangling as the tank, and the Emerald knight as the damage dealer with strike and return. The emerald knight will also most likely have low defence/HP; "If cornered, their shields and light armour allow them to stand their own in a fight, although it is not their forte.". In Strength you also have the emerald knight, but here with strike and retribution - making it more offensive than Balance (go figure). It will still be somewhat of a frail unit, so it needs support from either dryads or unicorn to absorb some attacks and retaliations. Unicorn has antimagic abilities, and I'm guessing this is magic protection for surrounding friendly units; "the Unicorns' shimmering auras do have the ability to shield their allies from hostile spells.". So you can use it either to protect your ranged units, or your attacking units (I'm assuming the trent has lower movement than the unicorn, as it traditionally have had).
S > B > F
Champion
The green dragon is the common denominator for the champions. A tough walker with medium range and area of effect damage. It's a little bit of everything, with a fitting role in all three lineups. Strength and Fury have the trent as the second champion with the dryad combo. The trent will be an absolute killer when defending a town, and shining a bit less when attacking a town. For all we know it could be able to damage city gates, but that's only speculation, although it's not unusual when it comes to a tank champion. Balance has the phoenix, a had-to-kill flyer with self-resurrection. It won't be a damage dealer like the dragon, or a tank like the trent, but a pain in the bottom that you never get rid off. You really need that in the Balance lineup. From the description I'm assuming the resurrection will damage nearby creatures (including friendly ones); "During this "rebirth" process, a part of its original power is instantly subsumed into the pure light. It is for this reason that, although this miracle is quite an amazing sight, it is something best viewed from a distance.".
B > S = F
All in all Strength has the best Core and Elite lineups, and the best overall combination of units. Balance has the unique phoenix going for it, but I personally don't want another blue bird in the game. With Fury you basically have one tactic - attack as hard as you can and hope as few as possible survive. I understand people want an offensive Sylvian, but as Marzhin said, all lineups will play as Sylvian, so I prefer more tactical options.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted September 19, 2014 09:33 PM |
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For the record, I sent a HCM to Marzhin about Emerald Knight different descriptions, and he confirmed they are a typo.
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AFAIK it's just a typo, it's indeed the same ability.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 19, 2014 10:25 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
For the record, I sent a HCM to Marzhin about Emerald Knight different descriptions, and he confirmed they are a typo.
Quote:
AFAIK it's just a typo, it's indeed the same ability.
That's actually an interesting tidbit of information. 
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flonembourg
Known Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 10:27 PM |
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lokdron said:
Yeah I think its the blade dancer and the fact that phoenix has nothing to do with Sylvan that people are changing their votes.
But KEEP IN MIND it is just Artworks and maybe the bladedancer in the game will be totally different and you will not like him that much...
Fury the winner what a surprise! totally different from the vote in this thread!
Strange.... very strange!
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 10:32 PM |
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blizz said:
@Royin Good job, you found the perfect example of fury voter. I wonder how many of them even played Heroes before...
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Perfect example, you think? Seriously, there are angry kids splitting harsh words from all the 3 options. The BS here is going to appellative levels, lol.
War-overlord said:
Alex_Yakub said:
ALL IS BETTER THAN FURY!!!
Hear! Hear!
Why ? o.O I'm starting to think this word "fury" is what is bothering you, people.
For me, this new blade dancer art just reinforce what I was thinking about the debate: Blade Dance X Emerald Knight.
Emerald knights are going into a "green paladins" route. Blade Dancers capture the look and soul of Sylvan theme better than them:
Elite among sylvan warriors, certain Elves dedicate their lives to the intricate Elven martial art known as the Battle Dance. Relying on evasion and quick action rather than resistance or brute force, Blade Dancers wear no armour, but often decorate their skin with magical protective paintings.
THIS is a lot closer to what I understand an elven warrior would be.
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CanWakhan
Hired Hero
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posted September 19, 2014 11:11 PM |
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Galaad said:
AHEM
Clearly 3 different birds for me. Plus the Magic Bird from Academy looks smaller while the actual potential Sylvan one I find quite majestic and beautiful 
There are very interesting creatures. Sad that people do not have respect to birds(descendant of dinosaurs) and calling them chickens just to make them unimportant. These all three are distinguish, the same way like dragons in H5. They are similar type and colour(although not in the tone) but they nature and personality differ. Also magic/arcane bird is not going to have resurrection skill, I guess.
And before you start screaming how silly(although they're not) Balance's voter I am, I just point that I'm still Strength's voter.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted September 19, 2014 11:22 PM |
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Hmm, a female druid? That would be interesting...
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