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DarkLord
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posted September 20, 2014 08:41 PM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 21:58, 20 Sep 2014.
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Raelag84 said:
I challenge strength supporters to turn me away from Fury.
Convince me to vote strength.
depends how many Heroes games you played before.!
if u started from Heroes 5 that will be hard 
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 08:53 PM |
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DarkLord said:
Raelag84 said:
I challenge strength supporters to turn me away from Fury.
Convince me to vote strength.
depends how many Heroes games you played before.!
if u started from Heroes 5 that will be hard
I started from H3 and played them all to H6. And still voted Fury.
Strength has 2... strengths  One is defense, the other is Unicorn. If that's enough for you to vote it only depends on you.
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adriancat
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Protector Of The Peace
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posted September 20, 2014 09:00 PM |
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Vote FURYYYYYY !!! Vote if you support this :
Vote for Sylanna's Fury because :
- It has offensive and defensive abilities:for offensive we have Pixies,Blade Dancers, Sun Deers and Emerald Dragons; for defence we have Hunters,Druids,and the synergy combo Dryad-Treant
- It's the most offensive line-up and this suits well the Elves
- Treant as champion
- New attacking unit : Sun Deer
- Awesome looking Pixies and Blade Dancer
- No snakes
- No Blue Chickens
- Possibilities for better strategies in time
So vote for the best! Vote SYLANNA'S FURY !!!
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jhb
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posted September 20, 2014 09:09 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 21:26, 20 Sep 2014.
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I started from H1 and I'm with Fury. The only thing I would miss from Strength is the unicorn. But my second choice would be strength, for sure.
I also don't hate the Stag/Deer, like some people.
And Blade Dancers >>> Emerald Knights. (even before their artwork was presented)
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Avonu
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Embracing light and darkness
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posted September 20, 2014 09:56 PM |
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So Fury wins by now. Just great.
Why do people always vote more with their eyes and less with their brains?
I wonder how Fury will overcome mazed battlefield and avoid flanked attacks, where it haven't any flying unit (who would not die from first counter-strike or flanked attack) and it tanks (which would be available in end game ) would block Blade Dancers and deers paths to enemy?
Blade Dancer need large, clear battlefield to use his special attack and while doing it, he is vulnerable to attacks from behind and flanks (more damage done to this low defense unit).
Deers seem to be large (2x2) unit, so good luck with doing anything with them, while your Treant or Dragon would block enemies (see catapult battlefield in screenshots).
Emerald Knight as far as we can guess has stike and return ability - so she should survive longer then Blade Dancer (who can't retreat after attack to safer position).
Root Snake is one big question, but from lore description seems it could not only crowd control enemies but maybe also poison them. You probably won't need to waste Druids to entagle enemies, you could use them to shoot at foes.
Sylvan was first so nice faction but now... I don't know but seems you would have big problems in early and middle game until you get champions and some levels with your hero. Good luck to taking down enemy shooters and casters.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted September 20, 2014 09:58 PM |
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so i do not understand why so many people believe that strenght is a defensive line up
if u have a deeper look
lets say u dont pick up treant as a champion and get dragon instead
then in core you will have
> hunters ranged double attack (offensive)
> snake is described as "super fast" unit with poison damage + entagling ability which will protect your ranged or other units (super fast and poison makes it offensive)
and dryad > which will lose ability to heal treants if you picked dragons as champs, but its just a core unit you can live with it
for elite
> druid again is ranged (offensive) but has other abilities as well which you can use if needed
> emerald warrior strike and return (offensive)
> unicorn magic with magic resistance , can be used as tank or support, and will give magic resistance to other units against magic oriented factions
for champion you will have a Dragon which is tough damage dealer (offensive)
or if you need to stop enemy units in case they are very fast or tough you may choose treant , in that case you will have dryads to support them
so all that makes Strenght vote the realistically more balanced , as you combine ranged attacks with ability to stop enemy to reach you with entangling or by stopping them with various creatures like unicorns , emerald warriors, or any of champions
now lets have a look at Fury, to see how offensive it really is
hunter > ranged double damage (offensive) but every line up has them
dryad > support for treants
pixie > small damage dealer , small damage is not offensive
druid > ranged (offensive) same as hunter exists in every line up
blade dancer > multiple target attack (offensive) however will be easy to be killed judging from Heroes5
deer > fast damage (offensive) with support abilities which ones no one knows though
dragon > (offensive) exists in every line up as well
treant > (defensive) also a champion in strenght vote
so if you compare strenght and fury they both have 5 offensive units
however for strenght they have entangling ability to protect your ranged units, while for fury you will not have protection, and units like blade dancers (even though they look amazing) will be killed easily,
or a deer which we dont really know anything about compared to unicorn which has magic protection (that is useful against factions magic oriented aka academy)
coming back from what i started with
why i asked if you played previous heroes before, because nature factions always benefited the most from ranged attacks, so one of your goals was to protect them from enemy units reaching them, by stopping melee and killing ranged units that do the most damage
in my book that's the strenght vote (even i dont see it as pure strenght, i d rather call it balanced, or ranged oriented)
and last but not the least, lets have a last look on earth's balance
hunter > (offensive) they are in every line up
snake > fast and poison (offensive) + entangling
pixie > = useless , except for no retaliation
druid > (offensive) they are in every line up as well
treant > (defensive) the tank in this line up, however without support of dryads as they dont exist in this line up
emerald warrior > (offensive) strike and return
dragon > (offensive) or u can choose phoenix > which is hard to kill, whatever it means
that gives Balance vote 5 offensive units, same as every other vote
5 = 5 = 5
People vote for Strenght dont let the names confuse you!
its not really as defensive as you think
its rather canonical with a focus on ranged attacks
and stopping enemy to reach your druids and hunters
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 10:00 PM |
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Well it seems balance is falling now more people swapping their votes to strength.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 10:10 PM |
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well it shall fall more. im one of the %3 leaved balance after seeing that blue phoenix.
i m not gonna reward this lazyness.
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yogi
Promising
Famous Hero
of picnics
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posted September 20, 2014 10:17 PM |
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Edited by yogi at 22:21, 20 Sep 2014.
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ChrisD1 said:
i think they stetched the line ups. it should be two of them, not three.
agreed.
fuChris said:
No seriously. A giant deer as champion.
i would actually prefer a giant deer, or a giant wolf, or a unicorn, or a druid, or a phoenix, or any other number of things to a treant. treants are great as elites, but imo they dont fit as champions.
i started with h1, and i support balance > fury > strength.
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jhb
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 10:17 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 22:23, 20 Sep 2014.
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Avonu said:
So Fury wins by now. Just great.
Why do people always vote more with their eyes and less with their brains?
I wonder how Fury will overcome mazed battlefield and avoid flanked attacks, where it haven't any flying unit (who would not die from first counter-strike or flanked attack) and it tanks (which would be available in end game ) would block Blade Dancers and deers paths to enemy?
Blade Dancer need large, clear battlefield to use his special attack and while doing it, he is vulnerable to attacks from behind and flanks (more damage done to this low defense unit).
Deers seem to be large (2x2) unit, so good luck with doing anything with them, while your Treant or Dragon would block enemies (see catapult battlefield in screenshots).
Emerald Knight as far as we can guess has stike and return ability - so she should survive longer then Blade Dancer (who can't retreat after attack to safer position).
Root Snake is one big question, but from lore description seems it could not only crowd control enemies but maybe also poison them. You probably won't need to waste Druids to entagle enemies, you could use them to shoot at foes.
Sylvan was first so nice faction but now... I don't know but seems you would have big problems in early and middle game until you get champions and some levels with your hero. Good luck to taking down enemy shooters and casters.
And you took all that info from your crystal ball? Omg, the sky is falling!
War-overlord said:
I ain't voting for tactics. I vote for lore and flavor.
All 3 lineups can end up being strong or weak, this will be 100% dependent on developers. We still don't know about stats, abilities, skills, spells.
I can reveal a little secret: Look at the H6 Sanctuary... omg it have no flyers too! /shock
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted September 20, 2014 10:20 PM |
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yogi said:
ChrisD1 said:
i think they stetched the line ups. it should be two of them, not three.
agreed.
Obviously.
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted September 20, 2014 10:34 PM |
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Avonu said:
So Fury wins by now. Just great.
Why do people always vote more with their eyes and less with their brains?
Because this is a public vote and public votes are ALWAYS like this.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 10:53 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 22:54, 20 Sep 2014.
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Avonu said:
So Fury wins by now. Just great.
Why do people always vote more with their eyes and less with their brains?
I wonder how Fury will overcome mazed battlefield and avoid flanked attacks, where it haven't any flying unit (who would not die from first counter-strike or flanked attack) and it tanks (which would be available in end game ) would block Blade Dancers and deers paths to enemy?
Blade Dancer need large, clear battlefield to use his special attack and while doing it, he is vulnerable to attacks from behind and flanks (more damage done to this low defense unit).
Deers seem to be large (2x2) unit, so good luck with doing anything with them, while your Treant or Dragon would block enemies (see catapult battlefield in screenshots).
Emerald Knight as far as we can guess has stike and return ability - so she should survive longer then Blade Dancer (who can't retreat after attack to safer position).
Root Snake is one big question, but from lore description seems it could not only crowd control enemies but maybe also poison them. You probably won't need to waste Druids to entagle enemies, you could use them to shoot at foes.
Sylvan was first so nice faction but now... I don't know but seems you would have big problems in early and middle game until you get champions and some levels with your hero. Good luck to taking down enemy shooters and casters.
Man do you have access to the line up stats or something? Or the sylvan's special abilities? Or even special buildings? Lets wait until we can exactly see game play of chosen lineup before we judge if its good or not.
Plus who are you to judge on how someone is voting? Each of the line ups are as valid as each other. Don't get mad because your least favourite is winning its a public vote just like I had to suck up to the dwarves losing their poll.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 20, 2014 10:56 PM |
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lokdron said:
Don't get mad because your least favourite is winning its a public vote just like I had to suck up to the dwarves losing.
Getting one potentialy good faction over another potentialy good faction is one thing.
Seeing the line-up that is an insult to the history of the series leading in the polls is another.
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leiah2
Known Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 11:00 PM |
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Just a Little reminder to everyone, when it says Pixie is ''Small Damage Dealer'' it means it is a Small creature who deals dmg, not that it does small dmg.
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malax83
Famous Hero
Game ranger, HotA Player
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posted September 20, 2014 11:02 PM |
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Lexxan said:
So Fury wins by now. Just great.
Why do people always vote more with their eyes and less with their brains?
To me i understand your sadness cause votes make third community happy and two third unhappy. Maybe they miss again in selling their product, they could also tell us what specific skill goes to a creature. It would have less impact on community.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 11:03 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 23:09, 20 Sep 2014.
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War-overlord said:
lokdron said:
Don't get mad because your least favourite is winning its a public vote just like I had to suck up to the dwarves losing.
Getting one potentialy good faction over another potentialy good faction is one thing.
Seeing the line-up that is an insult to the history of the series leading in the polls is another.
Well in your opinion it insult's the history of the series but you don't decide that no here does. The majority disagree with you on that front. Oh I view it the same I saw many comments on the voting page saying that dwarves don't "deserve" to be there since they came from H5.
There were even comments here saying ooh sylvan was here from the start! They should be in the game! Not dwarves!
Still they lost I can accept that, just like people have to accept their voted line up won't win don't treat your line up some special snowflake that's on a pedestal or which line up is more "Right".
Each of them are valid each of them is not an insult to the series. Personally find comments like yours and Avonu is the main problem of this community.
I will stop now since I don't want to turn this into a flame war but I disagree with you on all levels.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 20, 2014 11:08 PM |
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lokdron said:
Well in your opinion it insult's the history of the series but you don't decide that no here does. The majority disagree with you on that front.
Actually, the majority agrees with me that it isn't the beter option. If only 40% votes Fury, then the majority disagrees with it.
Edit: I voted Dwarves as well.
And this isn't about deserving, it's about throwing away faction defining staples.
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted September 20, 2014 11:11 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 23:12, 20 Sep 2014.
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War-overlord said:
lokdron said:
Well in your opinion it insult's the history of the series but you don't decide that no here does. The majority disagree with you on that front.
Actually, the majority agrees with me that it isn't the beter option. If only 40% votes Fury, then the majority disagrees with it.
Alright then if you think that's the case if its soooo wrong why doesn't everyone change their vote to balance? If fury is SUCH an abomination and insult and should be kept out of the series?
I am done for today I simply find these comments disgusting I am going to cool off.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted September 20, 2014 11:14 PM |
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lokdron said:
Alright then if you think that's the case if its soooo wrong why doesn't everyone change their vote to balance? If fury is SUCH an abomination and insult and should be kept out of the series?
They should change their vote to Stength!
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