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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted September 21, 2014 11:18 AM

Please Chris, I'm of good will here.

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ChrisD1
ChrisD1


Supreme Hero
posted September 21, 2014 11:26 AM

Galaad said:
Please Chris, I'm of good will here.

i am too. but good will can be accompanied by reason too.
read my post again, there was nothing offesinve of anything of ill willed.
if you really really wanted to everyone be happy about the line ups you would make this thread way earlier. and would have discussed this from the announcement of the line ups, not now.
the " i didn't think of it earlier" is nor a solid arguement,neither a suitable answer. there is a reason why you didn't think of this thread earlier. why? maybe because you didn't see as much complainig in heroes community?
well i will say again that most people here do not represent the majority of players out there. the fact that this community is dinstiguished does not make it the majority of heroes community.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted September 21, 2014 11:33 AM

I agree that I've been selfish too at the beginning, voting Balance instead of Strenght. Then I realized how wrong this vote really is. My opinion, peace.

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ChrisD1
ChrisD1


Supreme Hero
posted September 21, 2014 11:41 AM

Galaad said:
I agree that I've been selfish too at the beginning, voting Balance instead of Strenght. Then I realized how wrong this vote really is. My opinion, peace.

no one is attacking you or being furious here and out of control.
no need to "peace" me or tell me you are of good will. this is being condescending towards me, putting me in the place of the bad guy when i only express reasoning in the nicest way.
Let me ask you this: How did you realize how wrong this vote is?
What made you think of it?

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted September 21, 2014 11:47 AM

ChrisD1 said:
How did you realize how wrong this vote is?
What made you think of it?


By seeing all the hate and contempt generated from it. I have to leave now I will edit this post later and try to answer you my best.

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Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted September 21, 2014 12:04 PM
Edited by Stevie at 12:04, 21 Sep 2014.

As Chris said, it's interesting how these kind of threads arise after the shift in favor for Fury. And you claim you're of good will.. Doubtful. But I'll take your word for it, I'm sure that no one here wants what's bad for Sylvan.

Galaad said:

Technically Fury is not getting the majority, neither any of three options did.


This is wrong, Fury is leading by a majority of votes. Majority means "the most", not 50% + 1. And in our current vote which is 3-way, not 2-way, the minimal majority possible is of 33% + 1.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted September 21, 2014 12:05 PM

Stevie said:
This is wrong, Fury is leading by a majority of votes. Majority means "the most", not 50% + 1. And in our current vote which is 3-way, not 2-way, the minimal majority possible is of 33% + 1.

Royin said:
What you describe is plurality, not a majority. A majority is >50% of all voters. Think about it. If you have 10 options and 101 eligible voters. 9 options get 10 votes and the 10th gets 11. The 11 voters together gave their choice the most votes compared to other options (plurality) but they are not the majority as they aren't 51 voters together. That means that 90 out of 101 people still didn't pick their option for whatever reason.

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ThatHeroesGuy
ThatHeroesGuy

Tavern Dweller
posted September 21, 2014 12:32 PM
Edited by ThatHeroesGuy at 12:39, 21 Sep 2014.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_%28voting%29

Absolute majority: >50% of votes
Relative majority = plurality: most votes of all candidates

So if the winner of the election has less than 50% of all votes, it has achieved a majority. Not an absolute one but a relative one.

While I am quite indifferent to the election itself, seeking "compromise" now somewhat has a certain air of despair and trying to reach a peace treaty when being on the brink of defeat.
Personally, I like some of the given options better than the proposed compromise lineup.

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted September 21, 2014 12:43 PM

Majority actually has two meaning, one is in having 50+% of the vote, while the other is the number of votes ahead the most popular party has over the second most popular, so in reference to Sylvan, with 24/36/40, Fury doesn't have the majority of the votes, but its majority is 4%.

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cleglaw
cleglaw


Famous Hero
posted September 21, 2014 12:45 PM

Galaad said:
Ubisoft first divided fans in two with H5 and now they successfully divided them in three with this voting.

We all, fellow Heroes of Might Magic lovers, shouldn't be fighting between us.
Ubisoft is the one responsible for this, first by making jousting in the arena a faction that appeared in only one game, against one that was only missing from one.
My dwarven friends, your hate is turned against the wrong people, Fortress was dommed day 1 by its own creator. It's business strategy, Fortress will be there in H8 at worst.
Now they continue their ongoing madness with Sylvan's lineup vote, Unicorn VS Phoenix VS Blade-dancer...

We CAN stop this. If we ALL unite and agree to put those three creatures in the same lineup, having H7 faction featuring Blade-dancers along with Unicorns and Phoenixes, all fighting together for the first time since the series was created.

We are ALL able to compromise.

PS Please don't troll, this is about the franchise's future.



its not easy as that. sun deer and emerald knight vanishes if we unite in this. and we cant unite in this, some people want deer and emerald knight. so in the end we will be just in a situation where we will be divided into different line-ups again.

but i think making unicorns as mounts, increasing options of champions to three and including blade dancers in line up will solve the problems.

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Stevie
Stevie


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Undefeatable Hero
posted September 21, 2014 12:49 PM

War-overlord said:
Stevie said:
This is wrong, Fury is leading by a majority of votes. Majority means "the most", not 50% + 1. And in our current vote which is 3-way, not 2-way, the minimal majority possible is of 33% + 1.

Royin said:
What you describe is plurality, not a majority. A majority is >50% of all voters. Think about it. If you have 10 options and 101 eligible voters. 9 options get 10 votes and the 10th gets 11. The 11 voters together gave their choice the most votes compared to other options (plurality) but they are not the majority as they aren't 51 voters together. That means that 90 out of 101 people still didn't pick their option for whatever reason.



Stevie said:


If we are to differentiate Majority from Plurality, then yes, that is correct. In which case WO's argumentation is totally besides the point. There is no need for a majority, but for the highest plurality.

I was simply granting the synonimy between the words for his argument's sake. If he meant Majority specifically then his case does not stand because it doesn't reflect reality.

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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted September 21, 2014 01:00 PM

Good lord, now we are discussing semantics and definitions. Where has all the fun gone?
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Royin
Royin


Adventuring Hero
posted September 21, 2014 01:05 PM

Elvin said:
Good lord, now we are discussing semantics and definitions. Where has all the fun gone?

Do you want to build a snowman?

In all seriousness though it's just that the closer we get to the closing of the poll the more heated it gets I guess :| probably after it too cause the 2 losing line-ups will probably be vocal about it.

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fuChris
fuChris


Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
posted September 21, 2014 01:07 PM
Edited by fuChris at 13:07, 21 Sep 2014.

Elvin said:
Good lord, now we are discussing semantics and definitions. Where has all the fun gone?


Try the tavern or the wastelands.

Usually when statistics rears its ugly head there is nothing left to say anymore...
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lokdron
lokdron


Famous Hero
posted September 21, 2014 01:33 PM
Edited by lokdron at 13:33, 21 Sep 2014.

Elvin said:
Good lord, now we are discussing semantics and definitions. Where has all the fun gone?


Yup the voting has turned friends into enemies sparked arguments and passive aggressiveness and now we are arguing definitions and semantics!  

Ahem I am agreement with Cleglaw. He said there is no compromise here for the reasons he gave. Just gotta wait to see the result who knows any result can possibly jump back.

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jhb
jhb


Famous Hero
posted September 21, 2014 02:46 PM

lokdron said:
Elvin said:
Good lord, now we are discussing semantics and definitions. Where has all the fun gone?


Yup the voting has turned friends into enemies sparked arguments and passive aggressiveness and now we are arguing definitions and semantics!  

Ahem I am agreement with Cleglaw. He said there is no compromise here for the reasons he gave. Just gotta wait to see the result who knows any result can possibly jump back.


Yea, and sadly, that's bad for us and for the game too, because people started to defend heavily biased arguments as facts.

It's like defending soccer teams now, we don't need rationality anymore, lol.

Someone should really suggest that the next time they keep the partial results hidden.

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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
posted September 21, 2014 08:15 PM

Galaad said:
@Storm-Giant Answer me only this : would you enjoy playing Sylvan featuring Unicorns, Blade-dancers and Phoenixes ?

Blade-dancers aren't my favourite creature, but I guess I could live with them having Unicorns, Phoenix and more. So yes
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Elvin
Elvin


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted September 21, 2014 08:23 PM

The way ubi pictures blade dancers as elite reminds me of the panther warriors. It's like the H5 dwarven berserker turned into the H6 jaguar warrior(minus the defense reduction and ability to target your opponent) and the H5 war dancers became the H6 panther warriors(minus retaliation). And now we have furies, turning into glories, turning into emerald warrior.. Makes sense in a sylvan lineup though, that's where the dungeon sisters learnt to fight like that.
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Pavijan
Pavijan


Adventuring Hero
posted September 22, 2014 08:42 AM
Edited by Pavijan at 08:44, 22 Sep 2014.

Voila -

Core : Hunter, Dryad, Blade Dancer

Elite : Emerald Knight (male, with full Armor, riding a Unicorn or Deer), Druid, Deer (or Unicorn, depending on what E.Knight is riding)

Champion : Green Dragon, Treant

Make Dryad able to pass trough material obstacles due to its incorporeal nature and Deer able to jump over them and you solved the flyers problem. I like Snakes and Phoenix, but could live without them.

I believe that this would satisfy the majority of people, so yes :
Consider me signed.


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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted September 22, 2014 05:22 PM
Edited by Galaad at 17:50, 22 Sep 2014.

Pavijan, for this to work we need to all agree having :

Blade-dancers, Unicorns and Phoenixes.

And Blade-dancers should be Elite.

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