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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 10, 2014 06:29 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 18:32, 10 Oct 2014.
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Dave_Jame said:
OmegaDestroyer said:
Storm-Giant said:
Give Avirosb a QP, please  
Done.
You actually did it Omega? wow.. way to devalue all QP.
Not so, a qp isn't always given for a specific post. Avirosb has made my day more than a few times, he has a good presence in the community  The same is true for more people but my work makes it harder for me to catch up with those crazy posting rates. Argh.
Now let's drop the offtopic a little, shall we?
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 06:50 PM |
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I'm starting to consider changing over to the Dungeon side. As much as I love Pit Lords, there are a couple of things standing in my way:
1) The majority support is in favor of Dungeon, and seems unlikely to change towards Inferno.
2) Aside from Pit Lords, Succubi, and Cerberus, I can't think of anything specific for an Inferno roster. Conversely, I can picture multiple forms of a Dungeon roster.
3) Dungeon seems to have a lot more story potential than Inferno. Yes, I know that the Inferno campaign will not be Eclipse-based, but it still begs the questions of "what will it be, then?" and "how will they tie in to the campaigns of everyone else?" It seems like a bit of a waste to add a faction that will likely only play a role in its own campaign.
4) With the lack of town conversion, that means that there WILL be intermingling of different faction units at times. Certain units will naturally get along better than others - for example, Necropolis units tend to universally lower morale. With that in mind, absolutely nobody would intentionally recruit demons into their army, extra firepower or not. While Dungeon will be held to a high level of scrutiny, at least its not at the level of "Now don't you dare summon an extradimensional army that will destroy the world!"
I haven't changed by vote yet, but those are some of the thoughts going through my head right now.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 06:57 PM |
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Kimarous said:
I'm starting to consider changing over to the Dungeon side. As much as I love Pit Lords, there are a couple of things standing in my way:
1) The majority support is in favor of Dungeon, and seems unlikely to change towards Inferno.
2) Aside from Pit Lords, Succubi, and Cerberus, I can't think of anything specific for an Inferno roster. Conversely, I can picture multiple forms of a Dungeon roster.
3) Dungeon seems to have a lot more story potential than Inferno. Yes, I know that the Inferno campaign will not be Eclipse-based, but it still begs the questions of "what will it be, then?" and "how will they tie in to the campaigns of everyone else?" It seems like a bit of a waste to add a faction that will likely only play a role in its own campaign.
4) With the lack of town conversion, that means that there WILL be intermingling of different faction units at times. Certain units will naturally get along better than others - for example, Necropolis units tend to universally lower morale. With that in mind, absolutely nobody would intentionally recruit demons into their army, extra firepower or not. While Dungeon will be held to a high level of scrutiny, at least its not at the level of "Now don't you dare summon an extradimensional army that will destroy the world!"
I haven't changed by vote yet, but those are some of the thoughts going through my head right now.
since dungeon is not in any danger why change your vote?
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 07:03 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
since dungeon is not in any danger why change your vote?
1) Before the vote even started, I had leanings toward Dungeon. My whole support for Inferno generally boiled down to "Pit Lords, people! Piiiiiiit Looooooooords..."
2) Would it not feel stupid to argue against the inclusion of the side you've voted for?
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 07:10 PM |
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Kimarous said:
ChrisD1 said:
since dungeon is not in any danger why change your vote?
1) Before the vote even started, I had leanings toward Dungeon. My whole support for Inferno generally boiled down to "Pit Lords, people! Piiiiiiit Looooooooords..."
2) Would it not feel stupid to argue against the inclusion of the side you've voted for?
nobody has to know but you
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 08:01 PM |
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I swear I should plan electoral campaigns.
Upvote Inferno messages on the new blog post, boys. We need to get featured!
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted October 10, 2014 09:01 PM |
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Explain to me this, against inferno people bring up the argument that Stronghold has half demons...
Then by that logic Inferno IS better than dungeon, because Inferno has the real deal, while dungeon has pretty scrawny emo elves, which are a bootleg copy of the pretty scrawny ecologist elves...
Man, I really would prefer to have dwarves at this point...
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 09:37 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 21:39, 10 Oct 2014.
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What can I say, most people vote on personal preference, not on arguments...
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Hobo2
Promising
Known Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 10:00 PM |
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Stevie said:
I swear I should plan electoral campaigns.
Only if you're supporting candidates that I don't like. You're losing by 12 points.
To put that in context: in Czech Republic's first presidential elections, one of the candidates was an Austrian Prince who maintained citizenship in multiple other countries and one of his platforms was that the government should spend billions of dollars reimbursing the family members of Nazi collaborators for all the property that the Allies took away from them after World War 2. And he only lost by ten points.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 10:13 PM |
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Stevie said:
What can I say, most people vote on personal preference, not on arguments...
and that's honest and cool. and everyone is entitled to it. but some people instead of just saying so, they are trying to build annoying arguments.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 10, 2014 10:14 PM |
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ChrisD1 said:
Stevie said:
What can I say, most people vote on personal preference, not on arguments...
and that's honest and cool. and everyone is entitled to it. but some people instead of just saying so, they are trying to build annoying arguments.
Yep, you nailed it right on the head, mate.
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Neraus
Promising
Legendary Hero
Pain relief cream seller
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posted October 10, 2014 10:15 PM |
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I'm all for arguments that are based on good points and on lore, but idiotic things like "red dudes" "emo elves"(and I'm guilty of it) "orcs half-demons" don't add anything but annoyance.
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dark-whisperer
Famous Hero
Darkness feels no mercy
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posted October 10, 2014 11:30 PM |
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What do you expect when all you write is pure speculation without any proof and personal opinions or preferences presented as fact. Your "facts" and "thorough analysis" is based on nothing.
Neither side has no facts to support its claims. We don't know the story, units, racial ability.. we know nothing for a fact. So don't pretend that there is something to be objectively proven.
That's why this vote is based only on your preference from earlier games and pure love for particular faction. That's why no matter how hard you try vote wont change. Already there is confusing wall of text, comments without sense and pure stupidity on comment page. Do you really think that someone will change their vote based on that?
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 12:50 AM |
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Edited by lokdron at 00:52, 11 Oct 2014.
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So yeah as I said in the main topic wrote an inferno fan fic sent it off through email. I hope it gets chosen well at least I tried if it doesn't at least I felt I did my part for inferno. :<
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Danny
Famous Hero
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posted October 11, 2014 09:58 PM |
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Edited by Danny at 21:59, 11 Oct 2014.
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If Dungeon wins, the best thing will be not having to fight Inferno in the campaigns. The Shades of Darkness campaigns had a minimal amount of Inferno and they were so good, the original H6 campaigns ended up too formulaic with Inferno on their respective final maps as the main opponent. It would be so cool not having to kill demons with Haven etc. And of course Inferno is the weakest faction when playable so it's always more of a plot device than an actual gameplay element. But this goes back to H3 already anyway...
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Karanshade
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 17, 2014 08:56 PM |
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I m definitely on the side of those who says that dungeon is redundant gameplay wise.
Offensive elves , since the debacle of the sylvan line up voting , we already have the glass cannon elven squad
Dark magic , we have the necro, basically if a bunch of elves were to turn to necromancy we would basically get something close to the dungeon.
Please note that I play more dungeon than inferno when they are all present ,but only if I can fall back to alternative gameplay style when I get bored. But as it is right now , the release will be pretty much light vs dark.
Inferno would bring fire and surely something in the vein of the gating , swarming sacrifice.
My point is , the release block , the vanilla factions will be pretty boring/bland if they don't have inferno in them.
I would really prefer to have a wide coverage of gameplay in vanilla and then dungeon/dwarf in an underground based expansion would be fine. To be honest , i can't shake this feeling that voting dungeon , after having stripped rampart of their defensive aspect , is a good way of making sure homm7 will be a hard fail again.
Ofc , there is always the possibility to rethink dungeon as a defensive dark magic , cave defensive oriented faction , in the same way as rampart/sylvan used to be with forest and light but then you would have to vote for a dungeon defensive line-up....and if you ahve been at least a tiny bit into an online gaming community , you'll know that 'moar damage' will ALWAYS get more partisan than anything else.Not always a lot more , granted but always. In MMOs you'll find a lot more DPS than the rest , in MOBA you won't find much ppl saying 'hey I love to support' at least compared to the carries. It's a fact. So any vote for line-up is a waste of time IMHO as sylvan has shown , and as dungeon line-up poll will show too ....
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 17, 2014 09:24 PM |
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Bollocks.
I can sypathise with those who say, How I wished for FORTRESS now, which is exactly what I touted, when that vote was up, because
1) you want only ONE type of Elves in the game (you wouldn't want two types of Humans, Dwarves or Orcs either, the only town being able to field 2 is INFERNO (the good and the bad), because there are no races and of course Academy, who have two, except that one is called Necropolis), and
2) You want the RIGHT Elven town, and that's the one with the BLACK Dragons (and not the venom-Necro-colored ones; I would rather prefer a ruby or cream or GOLD Dragon, but sadly the last is silly Elrath, the righteous dikk), the BULL-headed grunts instead of the antler-headed casters, and, yes, the BDSM chicks and not the gay Natives.
Which means, the problem now is, it's rather obvious now, that Dungeon is not that different from Sylvans, except that Dungeon is better.
Which makes it silly to have Sylvans, but no Dungeon, and equally silly to have Dungeon, but also Sylvans.
Meaning, that after Sylvan vote, Inferno-Dungeon is lose-lose option, especially considering Sylvan line-up options.
You DID screw it up when you voted Sylvans over Fortress!
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Karanshade
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 17, 2014 09:38 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Bollocks.
I can sypathise with those who say, How I wished for FORTRESS now, which is exactly what I touted, when that vote was up, because
1) you want only ONE type of Elves in the game (you wouldn't want two types of Humans, Dwarves or Orcs either, the only town being able to field 2 is INFERNO (the good and the bad), because there are no races and of course Academy, who have two, except that one is called Necropolis), and
2) You want the RIGHT Elven town, and that's the one with the BLACK Dragons (and not the venom-Necro-colored ones; I would rather prefer a ruby or cream or GOLD Dragon, but sadly the last is silly Elrath, the righteous dikk), the BULL-headed grunts instead of the antler-headed casters, and, yes, the BDSM chicks and not the gay Natives.
Which means, the problem now is, it's rather obvious now, that Dungeon is not that different from Sylvans, except that Dungeon is better.
Which makes it silly to have Sylvans, but no Dungeon, and equally silly to have Dungeon, but also Sylvans.
Meaning, that after Sylvan vote, Inferno-Dungeon is lose-lose option, especially considering Sylvan line-up options.
You DID screw it up when you voted Sylvans over Fortress!
Even if I accept your questionable premises (elven singularity , supeiority of dark elves => lose/lose) , you make a case for inferno here , the lesser evil (following from your post) would then be sylvan/inferno ,you would then at least satisfy your elven singularity rule.
the rest about needing to vote forteress makes no sense to me , so I 'll just ignore it (with a big bollocks)
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lokdron
Famous Hero
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posted October 17, 2014 10:12 PM |
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Edited by lokdron at 22:13, 17 Oct 2014.
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Well I am just going to say the only guaranteed unit is the Minotaur for dungeon the rest are up in the air.
So yeah there is a chance that we WON'T be a black dragon in the line up and the chance of having loads of elves.
Just throwing it out there.
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 17, 2014 10:15 PM |
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lokdron said:
Well I am just going to say the only guaranteed unit is the Minotaur for dungeon the rest are up in the air.
So yeah there is a chance that we WON'T be a black dragon in the line up and the chance of having loads of elves.
Just throwing it out there.
In case of the Minotaur, I applaud that.
In case of the Blacky, I have great, great doubts that will be kicked, given the role of Dragons in Ashan.
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