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GenyaArikado
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posted October 09, 2014 08:12 AM |
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THE MYTHOLOGICAL NAGAS LIVE IN WATER STOP SAYING "WC COPYCAT" JESUSCHRIST 
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Avirosb
Promising
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posted October 09, 2014 08:42 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 08:43, 09 Oct 2014.
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Fortress.
No silly voices in Fortress that I know of.
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THE MYTHOLOGICAL NAGAS LIVE IN WATER STOP SAYING "WC COPYCAT" JESUSCHRIST
The whole female naga = human face, male naga = inhuman monster is kinda Warcrafty though, you'll have to admit.
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Alex_Yakub
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posted October 09, 2014 08:54 AM |
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As much as I love H3 Fortress, I voted Sanctuary. I love H6 Sanctuary too, and it is already estabilished in Ashan, so this faction gets a priority.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted October 09, 2014 09:44 AM |
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VOKIALBG said:
And where you played the same swamp town in a strategy game during the times of Heroes 3?
Limiting yourself to one media only is kind of blind. But I noticed that many peple are very protective when it comes to their favorite things, and I am no different.
1: a strategy game that has a lizzard faction in it with similar ideas? Well ther is Mastr of Magic a civilization like TBS based on Master of Orion. There was also a Gnole faction. Hydras and more.
2: There was rather few original things on H3 fortress, as many things taken from D&D. But I'm sure you know that by now.
And before you give the argument that Masters of Magic are a much older game. It is from 1994. Just compare the gap between this game and H3, and the gap between WC3FT and H6.
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Doomhammer
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Smasher of pasties
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posted October 09, 2014 10:04 AM |
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 09, 2014 10:05 AM |
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GenyaArikado said:
I summon the Ashan lore overlords war overlord and avonu 
have they mentioned the 3rd naga race? Because if they havent they could say they are lizard/fish headed, "human" body nagas and have both sanctuary and fortress.
You should spill the blood of 3 chickens over a battle axe while smoking a cigar while saying the ritual words of summoning to summon me propperly. But I'll let it slide this time.
Sandro400 said:
Yes they have - Deep, Coral and Lake Nagas, and no one of them looks like a lizard 
That said, Deep Nagas (Kenseis) are closest thing to lizards that we have.
This is essentially correct. Coral Naga are most human-like. Deep Naga are more dragon-like and Lake Naga are more snake-like.
Sandro400 said:
Yeah. Coral Nagas have snakes instead of hair and Deep Nagas are those giant reptilian ones.
Lake Nagas have (mostly) more reptilian face than Corals, but still more human-like and normal hair.
In fact all female Naga have Snake hair and all males are bald as a cue-ball. However, the thickness of the snakes vary from individual to individual and some snakes are so thin, they look like human-hair.
And yes, the picture you've shown is that of a Coral Naga.
But there is no need to shoehorn in Naga, as the existance of Lizardmen has been established. They are beastmen who were created by the wizard Agar, grandfather of co-star of Pirates of the Savage Sea and hang-arounder in M&MX Falagar.
Now assuming that the newly introduced Cabir aren't the Lizardmen that have been spoken of. So We's gots Lizardmen, We's don't need no Naga.
As for the poll, I voted HIII Fortress. Which should not be a big surprise since I was working on my own version of the faction. That being said, if there was a both option, I would have chosen that.
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted October 09, 2014 10:43 AM |
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i prefer swamp fortress over sanctuary. atmosphere of vodoo-witchcraft is better than japanese water culture to me. dont get me wrong i like sanctuary but still, i love fortress more.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted October 09, 2014 10:55 AM |
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Edited by DarkLord at 11:05, 09 Oct 2014.
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Kimarous said:
Oh, for the love of...
Yeah, they COULD establish that kind of setting in Ashan, but they haven't. Get over it. You can "rant" about how people "think anything new is the best", but 1) that's entirely false, and 2) by the same token, the old guard seem to think anything old is best. This very topic is evidence of that mentality.
What's so special about H3 Fortress anyway? Aren't you one of those people who view Ashan's version of Inferno as "red humanoids, red humanoids, and more red humanoids"? H3 Fortress was nothing but "swamp lizards, swamp lizards, and more swamp lizards." Oh, and blandness of gnolls and serpent flies. That's not even getting into the fact that H3 Fortress had some of the least impressive units in terms of gameplay. Again, what's the point in bringing them back?
i entirely disagree with your statement!
do you see any of as you call "old guards" praising conflux for instance? or every decision that previous HoMM made?
me personally never stated anything that i expect humanoids in inferno painted with red!
you unite both inferno factions in ashan seing them as whole, i separate them
Heroes5 inferno was very different from Heroes6 inferno
in terms of units and stylistically, even in gameplay
in my opinion the H6 version of inferno was just plain horrible
with so many wrong decisions,
but that doesnt make me dislike H5 version in any way.
while you compare Inferno H5+H6 versus H3 version
i compare Inferno H5 vs H6 vs H3
as for swamp faction i d much rather prefer new faction based on slavic mythology (as it is not presented in homm series) ex Likho, Kikimora, Leshiy
+ some creatures from H3 fortress like basilisk , serpent fly etc
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jeremiahemo
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted October 09, 2014 01:32 PM |
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if I were to choose, I'd say Sanctuary. H3 Fortress, just like almost anything in H3 was just too disorganized for me. Yes, I'd choose their H5 counterparts over the H3 ones any day.
The only problem I have with Sanctuary is that it's too feminine. Just limit the female units to 1 or 2 and toughen the faction up and Sanctuary will be good to go.
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Avirosb
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No longer on vacation
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posted October 09, 2014 01:49 PM |
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Now who's baiting, Alchi?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 09, 2014 02:04 PM |
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I won't vote because I have never had an opportunity to play HoMM III (I know, I know, burn me now) but I think I have to remind that Ashan (or at least Thallan) is limited to 9 factions only and as long as Ubisoft will keep Heroes plot on Thallan, no new faction will be added. Still, no one said that there can't be any variety within the faction and some more swampy vibes may be included within Sanctuary, although I have once heard that in later games Sanctuary will be more focused on ice.
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Raelag84
Famous Hero
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posted October 09, 2014 02:20 PM |
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Edited by Raelag84 at 14:21, 09 Oct 2014.
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Avirosb said:
Fortress.
No silly voices in Fortress that I know of.
Quote:
THE MYTHOLOGICAL NAGAS LIVE IN WATER STOP SAYING "WC COPYCAT" JESUSCHRIST
The whole female naga = human face, male naga = inhuman monster is kinda Warcrafty though, you'll have to admit.
No. I will not admit that. Here's why.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C4%81ga#mediaviewer/File:Indischer_Maler_um_1640_001.jpg
You see that black snake creature with a blue guy dancing on it's head? That's a male Naga. You see those women with snake tales? those are his female Naga wives.
Note that picture is from way before WOW.
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War-overlord
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posted October 09, 2014 02:22 PM |
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Yous can buy it here Pawek. Cheaply, legal and with no strings attached.
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Avirosb
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posted October 09, 2014 02:28 PM |
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Raelag84 said:
Note that picture is from way before WOW.
I will concede then, It's not like Blizzard are known for being particularly original.
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Pawek_13
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Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 09, 2014 02:29 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Yous can buy it here Pawek. Cheaply, legal and with no strings attached.
Do not worry. In Poland there is abundance of Heroes of Might and Magic games in shops, so getting it is quite simple but it has to wait. Now I am sparing money for Nintendo 2DS and Pokémon Omega Ruby, so I should not get distracted with other gaming things.
PS. If we get icy Sanctuary, there is a chance of getting a yeti in the lineup (in DoC it is one of units).
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 09, 2014 03:25 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 15:25, 09 Oct 2014.
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As much as I liked the new-introduced faction Sanctuary, H3 Fortress is just better in every way to me.
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Protolisk
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 09, 2014 03:32 PM |
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I voted Sanctuary.
(But I'd really like to see a Swamp Naga faction, instead of a sea based Sanctuary...)
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GenyaArikado
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted October 09, 2014 04:00 PM |
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War-overlord said:
GenyaArikado said:
I summon the Ashan lore overlords war overlord and avonu
have they mentioned the 3rd naga race? Because if they havent they could say they are lizard/fish headed, "human" body nagas and have both sanctuary and fortress.
You should spill the blood of 3 chickens over a battle axe while smoking a cigar while saying the ritual words of summoning to summon me propperly. But I'll let it slide this time.
Sandro400 said:
Yes they have - Deep, Coral and Lake Nagas, and no one of them looks like a lizard
That said, Deep Nagas (Kenseis) are closest thing to lizards that we have.
This is essentially correct. Coral Naga are most human-like. Deep Naga are more dragon-like and Lake Naga are more snake-like.
Sandro400 said:
Yeah. Coral Nagas have snakes instead of hair and Deep Nagas are those giant reptilian ones.
Lake Nagas have (mostly) more reptilian face than Corals, but still more human-like and normal hair.
In fact all female Naga have Snake hair and all males are bald as a cue-ball. However, the thickness of the snakes vary from individual to individual and some snakes are so thin, they look like human-hair.
And yes, the picture you've shown is that of a Coral Naga.
hehe who says i didnt do it XD
So
Coral
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and the pearl priestess
Lake
Deep
the Kensei and
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted October 09, 2014 04:05 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
hehe who says i didnt do it XD
I say so. I would have appeared before you if you had.
As for the DoC cards, I suspect all the females you've shown are coral naga, due to their very human faces. The Kensei are indeed Deep Naga and the card you suspect to be a Lake Naga I suspect so as well.
But this is not something we need to discuss, as we have Lizardmen.
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Hobo2
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posted October 09, 2014 04:26 PM |
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It's hard to say. Fortress in Heroes 3 was arguably the worst designed faction. They were mechanically bad in the early game because their poor archery made it difficult to get resources without losses, and they were mechanically bad in the late game because they were arbitrarily prevented from building level 4 mage guilds and their grail building didn't do anything. But despite the mechanical issues, they were thematically strong and well drawn.
H6 Sanctuary suffers from being a Heroes 6 faction. Despite good concept art, the game's color palette turns the blue up to 11. And of course, like every faction in Heroes 6 they suffered from the fact that there are almost no strategies or tactics in that game worth mentioning because battlefield positioning scarcely matters in a game where movement to map size size is so large and units have no zone of control and can be attacked from so many directions and so on and so forth - and of course there are essentially no production choices or resource constraints in H6. So while the Sanctuary units are interesting and reasonably well designed (except for the Spring Spirit), Sanctuary is still a boring faction to play because the game they are in is boring.
I guess I give the nod to Sanctuary. They are probably the best designed faction in a bad game, as opposed to Fortress which is probably the worst designed faction in a good game.
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