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titowam
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posted December 19, 2014 08:34 PM |
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Edited by titowam at 20:34, 19 Dec 2014.
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Is the AI cheating? 500+ Titans & 2500+ Naga Queens after 4 months
Sooo I was casually playing Heroes 3 when I noticed this..
As far as I know, Zounds is 500-999, and its an AI I'm playing against on medium difficulty, singleplayer, NOT a campaign.
How can he have 500+ titans after 4 months? That just.. doesnt make sense to me?
If we look at the date, it has been 4 months and 4 weeks which mean its been a total of 20 weeks.
The maximum of Titans you can get in one Tower castle is 3, if you have the grail.
If he had Cloud Temple on week 1 (unlikely but probably possible?) and found the grail on week 1 as well (very unlikely, but its an AI), you would've had a total of 20 * 3 = 60 giants/titans.
Every additional Tower castle makes him get 2 per week, since only one grail is present in every world, which means every additional Tower castle gives him 40 giants/titans if he captured them the first week and bought Cloud Temple the first week.
If he found giants/titans in the Refugee Camps (which I think cant have the same monster twice in a row) he would have 10 giants/titans for every refugee camp.
If he found a cloud temple creature house, it would give him one giant/titan per week, which means he would have 20 giants/titans for every cloud temple creature house.
So lets open up the map and see what he has.
He has one tower castle = (60)
There are no cloud temple creature houses = (0)
There are no refugee camps = (0)
Lets get the number straight on how many titans he actually has.
Alright, he has two black dragons, no biggie, 30 genies, 172 stone gargoyles, 63 arch mages, seems normal..
2780 naga queens and 850 titans.
This isnt possible. It is literally impossible to get it UNLESS he met tons of naga queens and tons of titans that decided "lol herpaderp we're gonna join you cuz ur too weak".
How does this even work?
Someone care to explain? I have no chance at winning this, this is just ridiculous.
The map is Realm of Chaos (Allies).
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gatecrasher
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 08:39 PM |
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Maybe you edited the map some time ago?
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titowam
Hired Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 08:45 PM |
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gatecrasher said:
Maybe you edited the map some time ago?
Nope, I freshly installed it 3 days ago :/
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LizardWarrior
Honorable
Legendary Hero
the reckoning is at hand
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posted December 19, 2014 08:47 PM |
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It's strange that only nagas and titans got big numbers, while the others got normal growth. Is it a custom map? Are you using any mods or playing gold vanilla?
Tough on 4th month and playing with necropolis, 800 titans would be a piece of cake 
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 19, 2014 08:48 PM |
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It is possible that someone edited the map, then forgot. Is very unlikely for AI to get 800 titans from thin air. Can you upload your map version?
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draco
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 08:53 PM |
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If I were to guess, there was a gate with 850 titans and 2750 nagas and the checkbox to allow the units to leave the gate was checked by mistake.
4 months isn't nearly long enough to get those numbers from one city and joins even in the best case scenario (and even if you could build them, where would you get the resources to actually pay for the units?).
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titowam
Hired Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 08:58 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
It's strange that only nagas and titans got big numbers, while the others got normal growth. Is it a custom map? Are you using any mods or playing gold vanilla?
Tough on 4th month and playing with necropolis, 800 titans would be a piece of cake
The map came with Restoration of Erathia, atleast my version which is a Medallion Best Value release, but that shouldnt make any difference should it?
Salamandre said:
It is possible that someone edited the map, then forgot. Is very unlikely for AI to get 800 titans from thin air. Can you upload your map version?
https://www.mediafire.com/?d3835u3kwu9lu6r
I havent edited it or anything.
draco said:
If I were to guess, there was a gate with 850 titans and 2750 nagas and the checkbox to allow the units to leave the gate was checked by mistake.
4 months isn't nearly long enough to get those numbers from one city and joins even in the best case scenario (and even if you could build them, where would you get the resources to actually pay for the units?).
As far as I know (not sure) there arent any garrisons nor gates containing that many monsters.. I could be wrong.
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 08:58 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 21:03, 19 Dec 2014.
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also, did 2 black dragons owned 28 dread knights right at the first turn? or an implosion maybe?
huh now, probably the titans. got confused because I thought both dragon would move before them, didn't notice there were just bone dragons.
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titowam
Hired Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 09:03 PM |
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Fauch said:
also, did 2 black dragons owned 28 dread knights right at the first turn? or an implosion maybe?
Nah, I think the black dragons attacked the lich/vampire lords and then the titans threw a bolt at the dread knights. RIP.
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kicferk
Known Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 10:33 PM |
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Did you check growth of Giant/Nagas in any of your games? Like playing with Tower and checking whether they are ok?
It is possible to adjust them in text resources of the game. I think it is highly unlikely this is the case here, but it is technically possible.
Aside from that, well, bugs tend to happen, in RoE more often than in SoD. I don't see any problems with the map, any source of so many units.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 19, 2014 10:43 PM |
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One solution: play in era, sod mod + daily quick saves. That way we can check when the bug occurred and for you the game doesn't change. Frankly, reporting bugs in RoE, what a joke. 
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted December 19, 2014 11:16 PM |
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Well, map is bugged. It has four quests and only one of the corresponding artifacts so I don't believe it was properly tested. But it doesn't have garrisons, enouch level 6 and 7 monsters to accumulate hundreds and thousands, none of the local events gives creatures and there are no Pandora Boxes.
Were custom maps usually so poor? Een the quests are for 1000 experience. A bonus of 20 titans and 50 Naga Queens would mean a certain loss. And no one in his right mind would trade the Necklace of Ocean Guidance (one of the quest arties) for 1000 experience on a map with so important paths of water.
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sirironfist
Known Hero
King of the ogres
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posted December 19, 2014 11:54 PM |
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Once I had a similar thing. I believe it was a vanilla multiplayer map, m size, 8 players. I forgot the name. I remember I played this map very long so I had like 200 arch devils in my army. It was in the early time of my H3 carrier, so most enemies were stronger than me. One of them got an army of 30.000 ancient behemoths. Yes, 30.000. And no, I never opened this map in the map editor.
As far as I remember the map crashed later.
Edit: Probably it was RoE without any expansion.
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titowam
Hired Hero
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posted December 20, 2014 12:48 AM |
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Salamandre said:
One solution: play in era, sod mod + daily quick saves. That way we can check when the bug occurred and for you the game doesn't change. Frankly, reporting bugs in RoE, what a joke.
SOD MOD? Do you mean just install Shadow of Death expansion pack? Cause I dont have that XD
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kicferk
Known Hero
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posted December 20, 2014 10:45 AM |
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He means: install ERA and play with SoD mod on it. Or just make daily saves that can be examined.
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Warmonger
Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
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posted December 20, 2014 11:26 AM |
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Quote:
Probably it was RoE without any expansion.
There was infamous "legion bug" in RoE, but it's been fixed in SoD.
Still, we're likely to see it again soon in HD edition 
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kicferk
Known Hero
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posted December 20, 2014 12:48 PM |
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Warmonger said:
Still, we're likely to see it again soon in HD edition
Hahaha, made my day  I sincerly hope Ubi won't be SO shameless...
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 20, 2014 12:50 PM |
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But this was obvious from the start, they never announced any changes to mechanics or bug fixes. The good part is that you will have 30000 well designed monsters, why complain.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted December 20, 2014 01:54 PM |
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Warmonger said:
There was infamous "legion bug" in RoE, but it's been fixed in SoD.
Still, we're likely to see it again soon in HD edition
If they kept the Sacrifize bug I'm buying it!!!
Salamandre said:
The good part is that you will have 30000 well designed monsters
Where it reads "30000" must read instead "30.000 hours-work of".
30.000 well designed definitions of creatures for Heroes III would make my day and yours too I believe.
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looom
Adventuring Hero
Flying High
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posted December 20, 2014 10:18 PM |
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The modding community of Homm 3.5 has done more work on Homm3 than Ubi on any of their Heroes games combined.
@OP
The AI is cheating (read: diplomacy? I have no idea tbh, I could only think of Diplo when I saw these numbers, but then again 850 titans should always be savage against a weak army. I have no idea even if AI is using diplo at all xD ) unless it is a map specified to play out like this, which I doubt. 850 Titans is...too strong I think
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