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posted January 09, 2015 07:06 AM |
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Poll Question:
Is political correctness metaphysical?
My question is for those who can distinguish the difference between metaphysical and super-natural. Is political correctness metaphysical?
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posted January 09, 2015 07:15 AM |
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Is that kind of like metamorphic rock?
I'd say it's more sedimentary in nature, since political correctness can deal with all kinds of people; black, white, ethnic groups, ideology, ladyfolk, etc, and they're all pieces of sediment that together form the solidified whole that is political correctness. I will further elaborate on my hypotenuse on request. Thank you.
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artu
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posted January 09, 2015 07:40 AM |
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Edited by artu at 07:52, 09 Jan 2015.
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Rather like this Blizz, if I make a politically correct statement, does it matter how feasible it is in terms of social reality?
Freedom is absolute choice = Metaphysical statement
Freedom is realizing your limited options to be able to optimize= Another metaphysical statement.
They contradict.
Can political correctness lead to social change or is it categorically just as "isolated in the realm of the mind" as "2+2 = 4?"
Edit: To elaborate the second statement, I realize I am not a bird, I invent artificial wings, so I become free to fly compared to one who jumps off a cliff without realizing that.
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posted January 09, 2015 07:48 AM |
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Political correctness uses the soft violence of peer pressure & conformity. It's unquestionable that creating social taboos over certain terms or mannerisms will have enormous social impact. Entire societies are structured off of the taboos - or the lack thereof - that are in place.
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artu
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posted January 09, 2015 08:01 AM |
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Political correctness uses the soft violence of peer pressure & conformity
That's unfortunately what it evolved into but I am talking about the concept itself, (I know this will be ironic but) not how it eventually started to function politically.
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posted January 09, 2015 08:05 AM |
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artu said:
Edit: To elaborate the second statement, I realize I am not a bird, I invent artificial wings, so I become free to fly compared to one who jumps off a cliff without realizing that.
Then yes, political correctness can cause direct social change. In American culture, it's indisputable that the 'N' word is utterly glowing with toxicity from its historical usage. So, the simple act of censoring that single word in public dialogue helps mend social unrest.
Other uses of political correctness can be far more dubious. "Indian" can potentially offend a Native American, but it's patently false to say that it has the historical negativity that the 'N' word does. You start to breach into a territory where you do harm to the majority in order to appease not even a minority, but simply a handful of conflict-seeking individuals within a certain minority demographic.
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posted January 09, 2015 01:05 PM |
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How is a concept super natural?
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posted January 09, 2015 04:47 PM |
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Edited by kayna at 16:48, 09 Jan 2015.
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Well, I , erm...
Political correctness is a term coined for it's excessive way of avoiding to offend people, although it seems to be used in two distinctive ways. First there's politically correct people because they really don't want to offend anyone, with a purpose in mind, and there's this new generation of people that seems to truly believe in political correct statements.
Example 1 : A politician states politically correct sentences to get as many votes as possible.
Example 2 : Someone claims gay sex is as healthy and fun as normal sex when we all know deep down inside that nobody has pleasure nerve endings in the butt, not even gay people.
I suppose example 1 is metaphysical where as example two is supernatural, because the guy in example 1 is fully knowing of why he's saying his political statement? Could it be that a vague politically correct statement remains metaphysical, and the moment we do an in depth analysis of it, it could suddenly become supernatural ?
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artu
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posted January 09, 2015 05:35 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
How is a concept super natural?
Nirvana, gods, God, after-life, love as a literally telekinetic power, reincarnation, wandering spirits, good or evil as an entity (as opposed to attributes), djinn, karma (not when used as a metaphor), destiny...
Of course, my intended emphasis was to present the metaphysical as an absolute abstract: Something that can be right or wrong without any historical context. It's a kind of tongue-in-cheek exaggeration.
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posted January 09, 2015 07:41 PM |
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kayna said:
Example 2 : Someone claims gay sex is as healthy and fun as normal sex when we all know deep down inside that nobody has pleasure nerve endings in the butt, not even gay people.
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When touched or massaged, the prostate — about a half-inch inside the opening of the anus — is a spot in men's bodies that heightens sensations during many a male masturbation session, including at the time of orgasm. Why here? This area is kind of like the Space Shuttle launch pad: it's where the fluids of ejaculation gather just before they take off up the shaft of the penis. The immense energy prior to lift-off, complete with all that smoke and fire, is analogous to the pressure and super-sensitivity around the anus just before you shoot your payload into space, your partner, or wherever.
Many heterosexual men may never go there for a good time because associate any kind of anal contact with being gay. However, there are plenty of straight singles and couples alike who give and receive anal stimulation in different ways. Therefore, partaking in anal stimulation definitely does not equate to being a gay man. If you fantasize about sex with women while you pull your penis and probe your anus, well, that's pretty strong evidence of heterosexuality. In the end, a your sexual orientation is far less important than your awareness and recognition that your body is yours to enjoy!
I do not practice it myself, but seeing as it is a fact (look it up) you should not start claiming nonsense based on personal opinion.
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posted January 09, 2015 09:12 PM |
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I couldn't find a supernatural example of political correctness without insulting someone!
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posted January 09, 2015 09:45 PM |
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You're all missing it. Lemmy is actually doing a metaphor.
I would gladly contribute to the thread myself but I'm not sure I understand the topic in the first place.
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posted January 09, 2015 10:13 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 22:14, 09 Jan 2015.
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Wait what so metaphysical means something is inherently right or wrong, correct or incorrect? And if I don't believe that, things are "supernatural"?:/
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posted January 09, 2015 10:56 PM |
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I just asked someone with a some philosophy background, he said neither. Then I asked which philosophical word was the closest, he answered "superfluous".
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posted January 09, 2015 10:58 PM |
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posted January 09, 2015 11:11 PM |
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Edited by artu at 23:35, 09 Jan 2015.
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xerox said:
Wait what so metaphysical means something is inherently right or wrong, correct or incorrect? And if I don't believe that, things are "supernatural"?:/
That's directly a logical fallacy. Metaphysical concepts have the potential to be inherently right, yes, if you are a rationalist in the Cartesian sense. But how you jump from that to "and if I dont things are super natural" is beyond me. Supernatural is irrelevant, most people are reminded of the supernatural, when they hear the word metaphysical despite the fact there is a nuance between the two. For example "perfection" is a metaphysical concept but not necessarily supernatural. I wanted to prevent that from happening.
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posted January 10, 2015 03:02 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 03:04, 10 Jan 2015.
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Galaad said:
I would gladly contribute to the thread myself but I'm not sure I understand the topic in the first place.
I am with you.
(Oh and thread cleaned of off-topic posts.)
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artu
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posted January 10, 2015 03:45 AM |
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Edited by artu at 03:53, 10 Jan 2015.
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Okay, let me formulate it another way. As an example, we have a metaphsyical concept, freedom, there are philosophical debates about what freedom is, the conlusions differ greatly but the concept of freedom is always there, at least in most societies. Is the concept of political correctness such a thing itself. Had political correctness been an inherent part of Ethics under different names or is it a modern, mediatic phenomenon? Since, I consider all ethical arguments not dissectable from their historical context and I dont think any concept can be metaphysical in the true sense (or rather, let me put it this way, the abstraction itself can be metaphysical but what determines the content will always be historical) my answer would be no. But I like to hear other opinions.
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posted January 10, 2015 03:58 AM |
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Okay, I'll try to see if I can get these concepts right:
There are several definitions of freedom and if the definition is "absence of coercion" (which imo is the simplest, most "objective" one) then I don't really see how even that's metaphysical. It's more of an objective state rather than something that we perceive as subjective actors. I'd say political correctness is more of a metaphysical subject because it exists only in a social. constructed context and not as part of objective reality (i.e. laws of nature and states that can not be interpreted in more than one way such as the definition of freedom used above).
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artu
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posted January 10, 2015 04:04 AM |
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Edited by artu at 04:07, 10 Jan 2015.
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Absence of coercion would be the most basic thing when you have the concept itself already, do bears in the jungle define themselves as free? Besides, what constitutes as coercion is also debatable, are taxes so? No, freedom is first of all, a state of mind, it doesnt only mean "not chained." But I already made a thread discussing what freedom is, so I'll leave that to there.
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