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verriker
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posted July 07, 2016 01:59 AM

yes mate Nival and Arkane had Heroes 5 and Dark Messiah both set on Axeoth originally before Erwin came on board and forced changes, indeed the Nicolai character (husband of Isabel) was supposed to be Nicolai Ironfist originally lol
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GenyaArikado
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posted July 07, 2016 03:27 AM
Edited by GenyaArikado at 07:51, 07 Jul 2016.

hmm, joke seem to be on you, because it looks like it was the same story you hate with name changes and the very least this site "favorites" Agrael and Isabel were already there. The existance of uniques implies that even lineups were already set in stone.

From what i gather of those bios

Set many many many years away from the reckoning

Necross (lead by a Great Lich Hafas) fell. I assume this was during the "Great War" mentioned in other bios. Necromancers were left kingdomless and (if you say Dark Messiah was supposed to be set on Axeoth too) Kreegans were locked away "SOMEWHERE". This "Great War" is probably a mix of what ended up being Demon Invasions/War of the Broken Staff/Sandro conflicts in the actual H5.

Kreegans probably screwed up the Necromancers as they managed to get an ambassador in Great Arcane court while necromancers...well...dont.

Dark Elf Matron Mitnarda overthrew the former dungeon lords. Minotaurs became slaves.

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H5 vanilla story is probably mostly the same. Agrael is Raelag (but this this time he's actually a disguised demon instead of an elf who turned demon). Demons crash Isabel wedding. Nicolai Gryphonheart dies. Isabel gets tricked to raise him by Sandro ex-pupil. Isabel gets kidnapped to Demonland and (Again if dark MESSIAH was supposed to be set in Axeoth) is impregnated for her child to be used as key.


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This site has them too. Some Hero names are changed too so idk which one believe http://www.geocities.ws/goatjuggler/

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posted July 07, 2016 08:09 AM

I expected that much. For what it's worth, I'm happy they rebooted the story. I'd hate to see the old world reduced to this. Then again, maybe this made ubi bolder with some ideas than they ought to be. Like.. emo dark elves that worship darkness and are not-warlocks. Ugh.
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posted July 07, 2016 08:15 AM

Even if non ubi H5 came out with this dribble it could have been saved do to the world being thrown out next game. Ashan has this crap branded into it forever.
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posted July 07, 2016 10:28 AM

GenyaArikado said:
hmm, joke seem to be on you, because it looks like it was the same story you hate with name changes and the very least this site "favorites" Agrael and Isabel were already there. The existance of uniques implies that even lineups were already set in stone.


you get hoist on your unenlightened and highly presumptuous petard a bit there buddy,
that is very old news in which I have maintained Heroes 5 had a poor story in all incarnations because Team Fabrice had not hired qualified storytellers who could set Nival straight in the deadline, they would want to go after Terry Ray or someone equally fast and talented early on for it to match the standard lol

bearing in mind, that Team Erwin were much too slow even with the Heroes 6 storyline, taking a leisurely 27 months to write it which went beyond even the original deadline to complete the entire game lol

one to look for also if you are interested in this historical curiosity is the beta town bios, which have many more explicit mentions of Lord Lysander, Emilia, Elwin and buddies, unfortunately couldn't dig them up anywhere on the internet but some of the original beta testers might have that lol
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posted July 07, 2016 10:39 AM
Edited by EnergyZ at 10:44, 07 Jul 2016.

That's strange, if all of this was to happen Enroth, then why? The original world is destroyed.

But here, this scenario mentions some of Axeoth lore instead.
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Avonu
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posted July 07, 2016 02:17 PM
Edited by Avonu at 14:31, 07 Jul 2016.


Shuma-ishkun was founded by Necromancers in the long-ago times, when the plague raged all over Axeoth. These were the years of despair, and many came to Shuma-ishkun hoping to live on after the inevitable death. The bodies of these unfortunates still serve as a source of military might for Shuma-ishkun.


Yaffiah is the place where Emilia, the founder of Arcane, is buried. In the middle of the town a majestic monument to Emilia rises and if enemy gets close to Azhar walls, defenders of the town just need to take one look at the monument to restore their spirits and repel the attack.


The legend says that the Gate to another world is hidden inside the Amel-ishkun mountain - the world where the dead will find eternal peace. That's why hundreds of the dead are gnawing into the mountain, incidentally extracting tons of ore. The Necross rulers don't interfere - it's the third location of the mythical Gate the search for which provides a good source of income for Necross.


(translated from actual town bio - so it may not be 100% correct)
The scorched plain that surrounds the Talosthra walls is scattered with explosive stones -- the traces of a past battle(s) between the Dark Elves and particularly clever Dwarven Rune Priests Dungeon citizents. The stones have not lost their magical power and will inflict serious damage on anybody who tries to lay siege to Talosthra.


Timberwood's resource warehouse was a gift from the Irollan Elves to the Humans, in commemoration of the "Forest and Castle" Treaty. Now this vast forest, blessed by the Elves, produces twice the usual amount of wood for the residents of Timberwood.


And other cities:

In the old days, a majestic city was rising here - one of the first founded by refugees from Erathia. During its history the town survived many wars but finally has been destroyed. Now, when Shagarakti was built on the ruins, the ancient graves serve as a source of reinforcements for the Undead army.

Each Demon must visit Gradl - the first Demon town in Axeoth - at least once during their lifetime. That's where it all started, and according to the legend that's where it all is going to end. Every week pilgrims come to town, providing it reliable protection.
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posted July 07, 2016 02:28 PM
Edited by verriker at 14:29, 07 Jul 2016.

good stuff but do you have the rest of them from the actual beta files though lol

there were many more lol
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Avonu
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posted July 07, 2016 02:37 PM

They are not from beta - they are from H5 vanillia 1.0, so if you have access to it, you can check it yourself. Just install fresh version of game and don't patch it.
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posted July 07, 2016 02:49 PM

they are originally from the beta mate, the beta also contained early town biographies just like the beta hero bios as you see if you click my link, but these ones also carried on into the vanilla as artifacts because nobody went back to correct those scenarios lol

if someone still has the beta it would be cool to get those final texts lol

also here's Fabrice's translation document for anyone interested, some interesting notes lol
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Avonu
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Embracing light and darkness
posted July 07, 2016 04:28 PM

I meant that above texts are copied from game itself (ver. 1.0), not that they aren't text from beta. Yes, Nival didn't clean up game from beta junk, just added new files to replace old ones.
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GenyaArikado
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posted August 06, 2016 08:55 PM

I want to hear the deets about Sephinroth scenario i would have prefered a Lucretia one but this works too

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posted August 07, 2016 12:09 AM
Edited by AnkVaati at 00:22, 07 Aug 2016.

verriker said:
yes mate Nival and Arkane had Heroes 5 and Dark Messiah both set on Axeoth originally before Erwin came on board and forced changes, indeed the Nicolai character (husband of Isabel) was supposed to be Nicolai Ironfist originally lol
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Wow man. Had no idea until now. I remember the odd mentions of the old world in the beta, but didn't realize there was actually ever going to be a final product set there. I guess Erwin truly is Le Hitler de HoMM.
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posted August 07, 2016 12:37 AM

Deep down it's Ashan that killed the series.
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posted August 07, 2016 12:47 AM

Galaad said:
Deep down it's Ashan that killed the series.


No it isn't at all.

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posted August 07, 2016 12:48 AM

Galaad said:
Deep down it's Ashan that killed the series.
Exactly. Even if HV had still been a failure with the cheesiest story ever, it could have been made better the next time by a new team. Even if it was set on another planet.

Ashan(al) is a big wet rag that is slowly waterboarding everything in the game(s).

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posted August 07, 2016 12:59 AM
Edited by Galaad at 00:59, 07 Aug 2016.

Momo said:

No it isn't at all.


I've explained why I think so in some other thread some time ago, here is the post grouping all parts. Hey I actually never bothered to write Part V, which is how Ashan affects the gameplay, maybe I'll find some time to write it and complete the post.
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GenyaArikado
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posted August 07, 2016 01:03 AM

Momo said:
Galaad said:
Deep down it's Ashan that killed the series.


No it isn't at all.


dont even bother. He still doesnt get that lore was written around the gameplay they wanted, not otherwise.

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posted August 07, 2016 01:03 AM

for my share the best heroes world isn't Enroth, Axeoth, Isgoth or Ashan, it's the world of Corribus of the Corribus maps for WOG, those were the best written maps and setting lol
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AnkVaati
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posted August 07, 2016 01:03 AM

Galaad said:
Momo said:

No it isn't at all.


I've explained why I think so in some other thread some time ago, here is the post grouping all parts. Hey I actually never bothered to write Part V, which is how Ashan affects the gameplay, maybe I'll find some time to write it and complete the post.
QP. Please.

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