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Minastir
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posted February 24, 2015 09:40 PM |
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Minastir's HVIII line-ups
Minastir's HVIII line-ups
 After designing my own Fortress line-up for THIS thread, I thought about making line-ups for factions not included in HVII and then I just decided to make line-up for every faction (HVIII). 
To design the line-ups i have used mainly artworks from previous games, Duel of Champions and Ashan Compendium so the line-ups would be more possible to appear in the game  .
In this thread the line-ups were created for Ashan world, if once again there would be another game in this universe. But a lot have changed since this thread was created and at this point, I hope they won't make another game in this world. I hope we will move on to much better new setting for Heroes.
What kind of setting ? Well, we are making (me and Articun) whole new entire world, with all factions (10) combining classic, iconic with new and fresh ideas
Check out Inolin: New World, New Ideas
PS: You will also find out there why I think we should leave Ashan and move to the better place
Core:
Brute/Crusher -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker demage dealer with Unfettered ability.
Harpy/Fury- (Flyer/Strike and Return) - Melee flier with strike and return ability and no retaliation.
Gnoll/Gnoll Hunter -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker with a Opportunity Shot.
Goblin/Goblin Hunter -(Walker/shooter) - Small ranged damage dealer can be sacrificed by Dreamreaver or eaten by Cyclopses.
Elite:
Centaur /Marauder Centaur -(Walker/shooter) - Walker mobile shooter.
Dreamwalker/Dreamreaver -(Walker/spell caster/saboteur) - Walker spell caster with debuff spells and ability to sacrifice goblins too boost their magic.
Wyvern/Venomous Wyvern -(Flyer/melee) - Melee flier with acid breath and regeneration.
Oliphant/War Oliphant -(Walker/melee/tank) - Tough and durable damage dealer.
Champion:
Roc/Thunderbird -(Flyer/melee) - Flier with supporting abilities based on Air magic.
Cyclops/Enraged Cyclops -(Walker/shooter) - (throws rocks like in HIII, no evil eye, there has to be new catapult for stronghold) - Tough ranged damage dealer.
Behemoth/Ancient Behemoth -(Walker/melee/tank) - Melee damage dealer with piercing claws.
Core:
Pixie/Sprite -(Flyer/melee/support) - Small damage dealer negating enemy retaliation with Spray Attack.
Hunter/Master hunter -(Walker/shooter) - Ranged damage dealer with double attack.
Forest Predator/Forest Guardian -(Walker/melee) - Fast strike and return damage dealer.
Blade Dancer/War Dancer -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker, attacks all adjacent foes at once.
Elite:
Emerald warrior/Emerald knight -(Walker/melee) - elite within the elven military riding on a stag into battle - Fast damage dealer with supporting abilities.
Druid/Elder Druid -(Shooter/spell caster/saboteur) - Saboteur and ranged damage dealer with entangling abilities.
Pegasus/Silver Pegasus - (Flyer/melee/support) - Fast flier damage dealer with supporting abilities.
Unicorn/Golden unicorn -(Walker/melee/support) - Antimagic support unit.
Champion:
Phoenix/Greater Phoenix -(Flyer/melee/support) - Flying and hard-to-kill creature with self-resurrection ability and supporting abilities.
Green Dragon/Emerald dragon -(Walker/melee) - Tough damage dealer with area of effect damage.
Treant/Ancient treant -(Walker/shooter/tank) - Tough and resistant shooter with entangling abilities and dryad protection ability.
Core:
Crossbowman/Marksman -(Walker/shooter) - Ranged damage dealer with Piercing Shot ability.
Dire Wolf/Silverback -(Walker/melee) - Fast walker damage dealer with Unlimited Retaliation.
Sentinel/Praetorian -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker with Shielding ability.
Radiant Glory/Immaculate Glory -(teleporter/melee/support) - Teleporter with supporting abilities.
Elite:
Chaplain/Abbot -(Walker/spell caster/support) - Walker spellcaster with supporting spells.
Cavalier/Crusader -(Walker/melee/tank) - Tough damage dealer with Charge ability.
Beast Hunter/Monster Hunter -(Walker/shooter) with a falcon as his helper (falcon attacks when a creature is too close to the beast hunter) - Ranged damage dealer with higher attack against animals/beast and monsters.
Griffin/Imperial Griffin -(Flyer/melee) - Flier with Unlimited Retaliation.
Champion:
Angel/Archangel -(Flyer/melee/support) - Flier with supporting aura and Resurrection ability.
Landsknecht/Swordmaster -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker with double attack.
Lion Rider/Lion Knight -(Walker/melee/tank) - Tough and resistant with Opportunity Retaliation.
Core:
Shadow Lurker/Shadow Watcher -(Flyer/shooter) - Ranged attack flier with debuff abilities.
Assassin/Shade -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker with backstab ability.
Troglodyte/Infernal Troglodyte -(Walker/melee/tank) - Earth spirit, immune to blind and with burrowing movement ability.
Dark Raider/Brisk Raider -(Walker/melee) - Fast damage dealer with wheeling attack.
Elite:
Minotaur/Minotaur Guard -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker with preemptive strike and no retaliation.
Medusa/Medusa Queen -(Walker/shooter/saboteur) - Walker with ranged attack and mesmerizing ability.
Manticore/Scorpicore -(Flyer/melee) - Flier with poison debuff.
Shadow Sorcerer/Shadow Matriarch -(Walker/spell caster/saboteur) - Walker spellcatser with debuff spells.
Champion:
Faceless/Faceless Assassin -(Teleporter/spell caster/saboteur) - Teleporter with debuff aura.
Hydra/Dark Hydra -(Walker/melee/tank) - Walker with no flanks and life drain ability.
Shadow Dragon/Black Dragon -(Flyer/melee/saboteur) - Flier with area of damage and debuff abilities.
Core:
Skeleton/Skeleton Archer -(Walker/shooter) - Ranged damage dealer with webbing arrows.
Ghost/Banshee -(Flyer/melee) - Incorporeal flier with death seal ability.
Ghoul/Ravenous Ghoul -(Walker/melee/saboteur) - Melee walker with debuff abilities.
Mummy/Ancient Mummy -(Walker/spell caster/saboteur) - Spell caster with debuff hexes.
Elite:
Blood Monster/Bloodsucker -(Flyer/melee) - Melee flier with life drain ability.
Lich/Archlich -(Shooter/spell caster/saboteur) - Ranged damage dealer with death cloud ability and debuff spells.
Vampire/Vampire Lord -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker with debuff abilities.
Bone golem/Abomination -(Walker/melee/tank) - Tough damage dealer with debuff abilities
Champion:
Bone Dragon/Spectral Dragon -(Flyer/melee) - Melee flier with cursing attack and soul flaying breath ability
Reaper/Soul reaper -(Flyer/melee/saboteur) - Flier damage dealer with debuff abilities.
Black Knight/Dread Knight (Walker/melee/tank) - Tough and durable damage dealer with nightmarish presence ability.
Core:
Cabir/Master Cabir -(Walker/shooter/support) - Fire spirits shooters with ability to repair constructs.
Dervish/Dervish Diva -(Walker/shooter) - Ranged small damage dealer with no retaliation.
Golem/Sandstone Golem -(Walker/melee/tank) - Durable melee walker with unfettered ability.
Gargoyle/Obsidian Gargoyle -(Flyer/melee) - Fast flying damage dealer with magic immunity.
Elite:
Mercenary/Mercenary Cavalry -(Walker/melee) - Fast walker with Long Range ability (Like basilisk rider in HVII).
Djinn/Djinn Channeler -(Flyer/spell caster/support) - Walker spellcaster with mana drain ability.
Disciple/Scholar -(Walker/shooter) - Ranged damage dealer with piercing shot ability.
Rakshasa/Rakshasa Raja -(Walker/melee) - Damage dealer with no retaliation and sweep attack.
Champion:
Arcane Eagle/Simurgh -(Flyer/melee) - Melee flier with arcane wings and magic catalyst abilities.
Mechanical Dragon/Dragon Golem -(Walker/melee/tank) - Tough and resistance damage dealer with increased resistance to physical attacks.
Colossus/Titan -(Walker/shooter) - Walker, ranged damage dealer with mana absorption ability.
Core:
Merman/Triton -(Walker/Melee/support) - Supporting melee creature with ability to create water wall.
Kappa/Kappa Shoya -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker with leaping ability.
Ice Priestess/Shanriya Priestess -(Walker/shooter/spell caster) - Ranged damage dealer with ice spells.
Shark Guard/Wanizame -(Walker/melee) - Melee walker damage dealer with icy weapon and frostbite ability.
Elite:
Kenshi/Kensei -(Walker/melee) - Melee damage dealer with Four Waves ability.
Snow Maiden/Yuki-Onna -(Walker/shooter) - Shooter with Ice Shards ability.
Dragon Eel/Okane no okane -(Flyer/melee/support) (Okane no Okane is an ancient Dragon Eel. Dragon Eels are considered to be avatars of the Dragon Goddess Shalassa. Devout followers of Shalassa, such as the Nagas, can invoke them. It does not mean they can control them, but if the Spirits feel their cause is just, they will follow their orders and protect them in battle.) - Flier damage dealer with supporting abilities.
Siren/Cecaelia -(Shooter/spell caster/saboteur) - Creature casting water spells with Siren song ability.
Champion:
Sea Dragon/Azure Dragon -(Flyer/melee/support) - Flier with supporting aura and Tidal Wave ability.
Giant Crab/Karkinos -(Walker/melee/tank) - Tough and resistant damage dealer with multi-target attack.
Kirin/Sacred Kirin -(Flyer/melee/support) - Melee flier with Trail of Clouds and Hailstorm Aura.
Core:
Imp/Familiar -(Flyer/melee) -
Gog/Magog -(Walker/shooter) -
Cultist/Darkflame Cultist -(Walker/spell caster) -
Hell Hound/Cerberus -(Walker/melee) -
Elite:
Hell rider/Doom Bringer -(Walker/melee) -
Succubus/Succubus Seducer -(walker/shooter) -
Efreet/Efreet Warlord -(Flyer/spell caster/saboteur) -
Juggernaut/Ravager -(walker/melee/tank) -
Champion:
Pit Fiend/Pit Lord -(Walker/spell caster/saboteur) -
Devil/Arch Devil -(Teleport/melee) -
Abyssal Worm/Infernal Worm -(Walker/burrow/melee) -
Core:
Defender/Mountain Guard -(Walker/melee) -
Bear/Battle Bear -(Walker/melee/tank) -
Salamander/Lava Crawler -(Walker/shooter) -
Miner/Rune Artificer -(Walker/melee/support) -
Elite:
Fire Spirit/Valkyrie -(Flyer/melee/support) -
Brontotherium Rider -(Walker/melee) -
Rune Priest/Rune Patriarch -(Walker/spell caster) -
Mole/Cave Mole - (Walker/melee/tank) -
Champion:
Frost Giant/Jötunn -(Walker/melee/tank) -
Fire Dragon/Magma Dragon -(Flyer/melee) -
Flame Lord/Fire Giant -(Walker/melee/support) -
2 New Factions
 Line-up created by me and Articun 
To read more about this faction (History/Culture/Religion etc. and find out what abilities creatures have) --> Bastion
Core:
Toad/Poison Toad -(Walker/shooter)
Lizardmen/Lizardmen Stingers -(Walker/melee)
Nixie /Nixie Witch -(Walker/Spell caster)
Serpent Fly/Dragon Fly -(Flyer/Melee)
Elite:
Sharpshooter/Expert Sharpshooter -(Walker/shooter)
Swamp Hydra/Toxic Hydra -(Walker/melee)
Naturalist/Master Naturalist -(Walker/Spell caster)
Catoblepas/Venomous Catoblepas -(Walker/melee)
Champion:
Basilisk/Royal Basilisk -(Walker/melee)
Mantis/Alpha Mantis -(Flyer/Melee)
Cipactli/Rampaging Cipactli -(Walker/melee)
To read more about this faction (History/Culture/Religion etc. and find out what abilities creatures have) --> Polis
Core:
Spirit of Courage/Spirit of Victory -(teleporter/melee)
Air Elemental/Storm Elemental -(Flyer/shooter)
Sand Elemental/Earth Elemental -(Walker/melee)
Phalanx Leader/Superior Hoplite -(Walker/melee)
Elite:
Fire Elemental/Lava Elemental -(Flyer/melee)
Archon/Celestial Archon -(Flyer/melee)
Water Elemental/Ice Elemental -(Walker/shoter)
Sphinx/Elder Sphinx -(Flyer/melee)
Champion:
Fusion Elemental/Tetramental -(Walker/melee)
Prime Elemental/Magic Elemental -Flyer/melee)
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Minastir
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Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 09:42 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 14:33, 06 Apr 2015.
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Reserved, if I run out of space
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leiah2
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posted February 24, 2015 10:28 PM |
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So far this looks very good!! Great lineups for all factions and for me the favorite creature so far is the Byakko! Great idea.
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Stevie
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 10:38 PM |
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moonshade
Known Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 10:41 PM |
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Great lineups!
Really great line-ups so far, much better than HVII. Only thing I would change is Dungeon: either switch Medusa with Beholder at Core or outright drop her, reduce Hydra to Elite and put Faceless (a spellcaster) as the second Champion unit.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 24, 2015 10:44 PM |
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Stevie said:
I think you nailed down everything with surgical precision. Great work. QP recommended.
omg thanks Stevie ! I'm really glad you like them
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted February 25, 2015 12:13 AM |
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These are all very solid line-ups - QP reccomended indeed 
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cdiMaster
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posted February 25, 2015 08:32 AM |
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Jiriki9
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Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted February 25, 2015 02:16 PM |
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Another proposal! =) =) =)
First, I would like to follow my pre-posters: These lineups are realy great. For recommending a qp, I honestly have to say though, I'd wish for more information/detail. Will you give abilities later? and maybe also hero classes? Or even town? Because these lineups are great, I think they deserve to get detals and surroundings as well and I would expect you to do these good as well!
Also a general question: what about updates?
Now, for a few single points, positive and negative...
Fortress and Inferno are simply awesome! Especially on the latter, on which I think you made a really good job in picking the creatures from the previous games.
I am not a big sanctuary fan, but so far, it looks quite ok.
Necropolis is also a great lineup, though these would't be my choices and I stillamnot such a fan of sekeleton archers.
Dungeon...I always find dungeon hard, because by now the options are so many...I think you did a quite decent picking. Depends a bit on the abilities, maybe.
On Sylvan...I think you should pick one of those where you are uncertain each...alsoI'd vote fortaking the melee elf warrior out, but that is personal taste maybe. To judge the forest guardian, I would need to hear its special abilities.
For mroe factions: Which are you planning to do? hopestronghold is next, would really like to see your ideas on the barbarians!
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted February 25, 2015 02:24 PM |
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I don't know if my suggestions contribute anything but maybe they will be food for thought:
1) merging necropolis wraith/d.k. allows for one more innovative creature to join the ranks
2) wraith should be flyer/teleporter
3) forest guardian looks like the gargantuan from h4... semi-ranged (as in leaping) or ranged could be made use of, while restricting druids to support spellcasting
Other than that, the ideas (esp the pictures) are verrrry nice!
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Greenlore
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posted February 25, 2015 02:37 PM |
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Overall the lineups look really good.
Since I am a fan of the more mythological creatures I don't really like the ones who are not based on any creature in particular(for example the forest guardian and the magog).
I also think that 2 dwarves in the fortress core lineup could be a bit much,I mean you have basically a melee dwarf and a throwing dwarf,thats it,but it is still much better than the h5 lineup anyway.
And having pearl priestress and medusa seems a bit weird to me too,as if the dungeon had a stronger version of the sanctuary unit.
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Minastir
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Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 07:24 PM |
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Jiriki9 said:
First, I would like to follow my pre-posters: These lineups are realy great. For recommending a qp, I honestly have to say though, I'd wish for more information/detail. Will you give abilities later? and maybe also hero classes? Or even town? Because these lineups are great, I think they deserve to get detals and surroundings as well and I would expect you to do these good as well!
Also a general question: what about updates?
This is still work in progress,I would like to create line-ups for others factions then make creatures upgrades and abilities. Townscreens ? Yes that's something I could make (I have collected some artworks during creatures searchings) but in another thread, this one is for line-ups, I don't want to make this one messy. Hero classes ? I could take care of visual side but somebody else would have to create names and skills for them.
Jiriki9 said:
For mroe factions: Which are you planning to do? hopestronghold is next, would really like to see your ideas on the barbarians!
Next will be Haven and swamp faction, and i don't know how to name it  Bastion, Citadel, Rampart ?
TDL said:
1) merging necropolis wraith/d.k. allows for one more innovative creature to join the ranks
2) wraith should be flyer/teleporter
3) forest guardian looks like the gargantuan from h4... semi-ranged (as in leaping) or ranged could be made use of, while restricting druids to support spellcasting
1)merging these two creatures would create grim rider and from what i have read on this site, people would like these creatures separate. Let's suppose grim rider would be second champion, do you have any ideas for third elite ? pls no spider and lamasu
2)ok, i can change that
3)semi-ranged - ok, ranged -no I'm going to create alternate sylvan line-up (little bit changed) and ask you if it's better, but i really like the semi-ranged/ leaping
Greenlore said:
I also think that 2 dwarves in the fortress core lineup could be a bit much,I mean you have basically a melee dwarf and a throwing dwarf,thats it,but it is still much better than the h5 lineup anyway.
And having pearl priestress and medusa seems a bit weird to me too,as if the dungeon had a stronger version of the sanctuary unit.
I think 2 dwarves in a lineup is ok, in HV almost whole line-up consist of dwarves You're right pearl priestess is too similar to medusa so I have followed your idea and changed sanctuary line-up
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 25, 2015 07:32 PM |
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Wanna check this out for Inferno?
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=41055
Maybe some of my ideas will help yours, if not, no harm done
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 25, 2015 09:57 PM |
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Maybe change positions to Poison Frog and Swamp troll?
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Jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
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posted February 25, 2015 10:29 PM |
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Well, one thing that is a bit sad is that the hydra is not in the swamp this way.^^
But except that, the lineup looks reasonable. Maybe the Shaman needs a rename because shamans are stronghold in Ashan? Maybe something like Medicine Man?
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Greenlore
Known Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 10:33 PM |
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I think Marsh drake and poison frog are kinda lame as champion units,I mean there are already so many dragon champions(green dragon,black dragon,fire dragon,spectral dragon and the kirin is a spectral dragon) and poison frog is kinda....just a big frog.
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted February 25, 2015 10:37 PM |
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Greenlore said:
and poison frog is kinda....just a big frog.
Technically it is a toad.
Personally I think it is interesting in its own way.
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 10:41 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 22:55, 25 Feb 2015.
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Jiriki9 said:
Well, one thing that is a bit sad is that the hydra is not in the swamp this way.^^
But except that, the lineup looks reasonable. Maybe the Shaman needs a rename because shamans are stronghold in Ashan? Maybe something like Medicine Man?
like i said it's still Ashan, so Hydra is still in dungeon
oh yes I'm going to rename it, i forgot about HV Shaman, how about witch doctor ?
Greenlore said:
I think Marsh drake and poison frog are kinda lame as champion units,I mean there are already so many dragon champions(green dragon,black dragon,fire dragon,spectral dragon and the kirin is a spectral dragon) and poison frog is kinda....just a big frog.
well it can be changed of course, I just thought that people would like wyvern back in swamp faction, i don't know what kind of different flying creature fits swamps
I have a idea but for walker, something like a gorgon in HIII but it's Catoblepas - a legendary creature from Ethiopia. It is said to have the body of a buffalo and the head of a wild boar. Its back has scales that protect the beast, and its head is always pointing downwards due to its head being heavy. Its stare or breath could either turn people into stone, or kill them.
Gryphs said:
Greenlore said:
and poison frog is kinda....just a big frog.
Technically it is a toad.
Personally I think it is interesting in its own way.
I like it also
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted February 25, 2015 11:17 PM |
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Witch Doctor is indeed better. Also, in Ashan, there are different kinds of Hydras, as it was stated when we got the dungeon units preview. In Dungeon we have a deep cave Hydra, another hydra could inhabit lakes or swamps.
If you don't like Swamp drake you can always use a Swamp Hydra, more to the looks of Heroes V or Heroes IV.
If you need a champion you could use a Swamp elemental or some giant insects like the Praying Mantis. After all, swamp is the natural habitat for many insects, snakes and other reptiles etc
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 25, 2015 11:32 PM |
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Articun said:
If you don't like Swamp drake you can always use a Swamp Hydra, more to the looks of Heroes V or Heroes IV.
If you need a champion you could use a Swamp elemental or some giant insects like the Praying Mantis. After all, swamp is the natural habitat for many insects, snakes and other reptiles etc
well i like marsh drake, do you ? and i think it resembles more of a snake than wyvern/dragon so i doesn't look like other dragons, more like a one headed hydra
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