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Articun
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posted February 26, 2015 09:26 AM |
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I have no problem about the marsh drake. I do have my doubts about the toad though 
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Jiriki9
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posted February 26, 2015 12:30 PM |
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I actually do not ahve these prejudices against the toad, I must say  I think it couldmake a fine, interesting Champion.
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posted February 26, 2015 06:50 PM |
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Articun said:
I have no problem about the marsh drake. I do have my doubts about the toad though
Jiriki9 said:
I actually do not ahve these prejudices against the toad, I must say I think it couldmake a fine, interesting Champion.
after consideration the toad maybe not such a great fit for champion so i have removed the troll and made the toad as elite and the second champion is Catoblepas (equivalent of HIII gorgon) I think now it's better or not
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Damian777
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posted March 05, 2015 03:24 PM |
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Hello Minastir! Very interesting ideas!
For me:
Heaven - I would replace Grffin Knight with Imperial Griffin
Then replace Swordmaster with Lion Templar
Or With Sun Charriot
In my point of view your lineup with Imperial Griffin and Lion Templar is best lineup for Heaven in history.
Also - Replace Marsh Drake with Hydra and put Faceless as champion in Dungeon.
Very good job  !
CATOPLEPAS LOOK STUNING!!!!! <3
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posted March 05, 2015 08:09 PM |
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Nice new lineups by you. let me comment...
To me, this feels like your weakest lineup so far, somehow. It's still not bad, mind you, but it does not feel that great for me either. First, I would either take the Knight down from the Gryffin - or take the Cavalier out of the lineup. Two Knightly Elites is a bit much to me, and the griffin was always nice without a knight, so it would be easiest to just remove the rider. IF you insist on keeping it I personally would advise to take the cavalier out of the lineup - but what to put there instead? A Chariot would be possible, probably, because it seems less knightly. but it is an inferior option imo. Witch Hunter has been put in Haven lineups as well and could be quite nice, imo, with fitting abilities against evil and/or magic.
Another way would be to exchange griffin knight(keeping it ridden) with Swordmaster (who, if let in, should be named crusader, templaror similar imo). Or, put otherwise, to take the "swordmaster" out, replace it with a sufficient Elite melee walker and have griffin knight take the Champion role. A combination of the original "haven" class and the one and only mystical beast in haven should be champion. Furthermore, some names could be changed imo, especially the "lesser and then no-more-lesser-light elemental". If you want to keep Lihgt Elemental as name, make it unupgraded name, imo. Or use that "glory" name or something. Or replace it, though that may be tough, if you strive not to be repetitive. Some Fanatic may be possible, kind of cannon fodder. Peasants, of course, may also be possible, though maybe a bit weak. Maybe Pilgrim => Zealot? (I KNOW that is somehow a name heresy in homm terms...but fanatic sounds a bit to mad for haven imo). More names..."Landsknecht" is, first off, a german term, certainly confusing me. Also, and I looked that up in wiki, they MAY be seen as elite but they were mainly MERCENARY as far as I understand it and not so holy or loyal to be a haven champion. A renaming could fix that though (see above: Cruusaaaadeeeeeeer!!!!!!) Abbot and sentinel arenot my favorite names as well, but I can live with them (if I'm forced to )
Now that was long
On to the stronghold...I am partial on this. I think I really like the overall lineup. Normally, I'd personally swap Cyclops with Wyvern...especially as the marsh drake is a bit similar to it and Behemoth is a beast. Against it speaks ofcourse that cyclops and behemoth might be close in terms of gameplay. Else, I am more or less fine.
But some single creatures and of course names are not so my taste. (and maybe I'm just not enough into ashan lore) What is an Erg Hunter? Also guerilla master sounds a bit strange to me AND ... it is another bow here...which is ok, but then I'd swap the Centaurs weapon. And while we are at the centaurs...no. Personally, for me: no female centaurs. It's like male harpies. It's jsut...wrong. Personal thing of course. And also...please NO HORNS! Centaurs are horse-humanoid hybrids, not antelope-humanoid. Back to core, on to the brute. Don't know what Sahaar means, and would give them a weapon that is more for brutal slashing instead of skilled use, else fine. Harpy looks gorgeous to me! Dreamweaver is nice as well! Cyclops looks as he should as well! Last the Behemoth...shoudl be four-legged, imo, but elsewise: fine!
And now the citadel...I think I really like it that way wouldlove to play it!
these naga subfactions...I do not really get their purpose...also teh sand nagas seem REALLY cool to me, though I find it hard to connect them to the Ashan Sanctuary Nagas.
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posted March 05, 2015 10:02 PM |
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@Jiriki9
Most of those things i didn't made up myself, as stated it's Ashan, and Ashan also appears in Duel of Champions and most images comes from this card game
the stronghold line-up: i didn't wanted to do this line-up because it's close to official revealing but it was said (or it was speculation I don't remember) that this time in H7 we will get "Sahaar Orcs" and because of that i have used names and pictures from the cards, look [url=http://www.mmdoctools.com/cards?search=1&name=&type[]=3&rarity[]=0&faction[]=4&school[]=0&set[]=s03&format=0&size=normal]HERE[/url], Erg Hunter, Erg, it's not my foult also and so on and so forth...
that's why under picture i wrote "It's more of a HVII line-up while waiting for the official one." after Stronghold update i will make another Stronghold line-up, this time for HVIII
the haven line-up: I'm constantly updating this thread and i couldn't decide on third core, so i put there big "?" and i asked readers to tell me what kind of creature it should be but i didn't wanted a human creature, just for more variety, nobody had any ideas and me also so decided on light elemental, I was thinking about griffin knight for champion but i thought, two champion flyers would have advantage over other line-ups nut maybe i should change it and I'm going to change the names I thought that Witch Hunter could be one of Might Hero classes but i thought that abbot could be only spell caster and Beast hunter what do you think ?
@Damian777 Yes I wanted lion rider, ven wanted to add the same picture but in Ashan there are no huge lions and i would like this lion but i wanted to create something possible for HVIII and we know that for now Ashan stays
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posted March 07, 2015 11:00 AM |
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that's why under picture i wrote "It's more of a HVII line-up while waiting for the official one." after Stronghold update i will make another Stronghold line-up, this time for HVIII
then I look forwardto that one
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two champion flyers would have advantage over other line-ups
not necessarily, I thnk, as you must choose anyway.
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Beast hunter what do you think ?
I think it could be nice. In the way "Beasthunter > Monster Hunter" or such? You could also go for Demon Hunter as one name...
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posted March 07, 2015 04:19 PM |
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@Jiriki9 I have one question for you
Should I expand my factions to the 5/5/3 system, you pick 3 creatures out of 5 for core and elite just like champion in HVII and 1 out of 3 this way i could present more creatures and i have ideas for inferno and necropolis but some factions would be difficult like fortress, so should I or maybe i shouldn't bother trying ?
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posted March 07, 2015 06:03 PM |
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Hmm... 5/5/3...like in the inferno proposal?
...5/5/3 for all factions could be difficult, but maybe possible. Choosing 3 of 5 may be hard to balance, though. maybe rather 4/4/3 or even 4/4/2 (this way you practically choose 1 creature per tier out).
...I have, btw, thought about the tier thing recently and I personally have asked myself wether it would not be interesting to take a step back again, maybe not to 7 tiers, but perhaps a 2/2/2/1 system - or 3/3/3/2, if there are choices involved. But that only aside
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posted March 07, 2015 07:52 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 21:15, 07 Mar 2015.
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Jiriki9 said:
Hmm... 5/5/3...like in the inferno proposal?
...5/5/3 for all factions could be difficult, but maybe possible. Choosing 3 of 5 may be hard to balance, though. maybe rather 4/4/3 or even 4/4/2 (this way you practically choose 1 creature per tier out).
...I have, btw, thought about the tier thing recently and I personally have asked myself wether it would not be interesting to take a step back again, maybe not to 7 tiers, but perhaps a 2/2/2/1 system - or 3/3/3/2, if there are choices involved. But that only aside
you are right 5/5/3 might be too dificoult but 4/4/3 or 4/4/2 it's doable, but I don't know about other champions, I might have same problem with them
So far without changing the line-ups, I would add
Necropolis:
Core:Ghoul or zombie
Elite:Lamasu
Champion:Fate Weaver
Inferno:
Core: Demented
Elite:Tormentor or Nightmare
Champion:Abyssal Worm
Haven:
Core:something new ? Shield Warden with a simple protective spell
Elite:Abbot now only spellcater and Beast Hunter-shooter
Champion:Griffin Knight
Dungeon:
Core:Skirmisher
Elite:Shadow Matriarch
Champion:Faceless
Sylvan:
Core:blade dancer,dryad,hunter,satyr
Elite:Emerald Warrior,stag rider
Champion:Forest guardian
Fortress:
Core:?
Elite:fenrir
Champion:mammoth
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posted March 09, 2015 06:45 PM |
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I'll go through these units one by one.
Ghoul/zombie is obvious choice, I think. Personally, would go for the latter. Depends on how your mummy is built, though - ghoul would probably be a bit more offensive than zombie, so I'd go for that one if the mummy was clearly more on the defensive side.
Lamasu...arh, I saw it coming. I don't like it. Never did, though I now this might be seen as personal. Alternaties could be: Undead Giant, soem Abomination/Flesh Golem, an undead beast (if so, mystical or such...never thought it before, but I think Bone Griffin sounds not bad!)
Fate Weaver...did not like that one either. Alternatives though, may be hard to find, if you go for 3 champs each...
Demented...what exactly do you mean by that? I think your core could use some demon worshipper unit so there a demented might fit.
For Inferno Elite I think I' go for nightmare. A bit stylisher than the ones in H5, though.
Abyssal Worm. Could be really nice. I hold back true judgement until I know more, though
Shield Warden...not sure, not sure... somehow this seems a bit unhavenish to me. What about some units supporting higher tiers, f.e. Page>Esquire, which maybe could sacrifice their turn to speed up certain (humanoid) elites or, for the upgrade, even champions. Maybe they could also grant Haven Might heroes some bonus. (after all, what is a squire without a knight)
Elite and Champion of Haven seem a great choice!
Skirmisher...another dark elf core melee? I dislike that. Would rather see some creature here - maybe a cave spider? Or a unit that is more of a supporter - Wisp maybe?Then of course, wisp might fit better into a swamp than underground...
Shadow Matriarch. Actually, I can live with her here, but only because we have 3 hybrid elites allready
Faceless would be a nice third champ for you
Sylvan with Blade Dancer AND Emerald Warrior...that is not so much my taste, honestly. but first, creature by creature of the new choices...
Satyr...I like that it is in - but a satyr, imo, should not been staggish. They are, after all, GOAT-men-hybrids...
Stag Rider...also not so much my taste, I would recommend going for Pegasus Rider instead. Slyvan would now be a bit flyerless elsewise, anyway.
The Forest Guardian at champion...well at that position it feels a bit like "forest behemoth"^^ Also, to me with three champs sylvan now should DEFINITELY have a phoenix in!
Now to blade dancer AND emerald warrior...difficult thing. I personally dislike it. But with whom to replace. You made clear you do not want pixie AND Dryad. What about bd in core, as it is, EW out and instead "Waspwort" or, more generally, SOME carnivorous plant?
Fortress...yes this was bound to get difficult...especially not going for "machinery" dwarves...
Core...core...core..ok how about a literally little alliance and halflings in here? That would of course potentially give the dwarves a second shooter on core...unless the halflings would be maybe Hawk/Falcon riders...I remember doing that once or twice in lineup-thinking...
by Fenrir, I assume you mean a mystical wolf...which would mean three beasts in the fortress lineup. ...what about some kind of Yeti? Alternatively, some kind of gunner COULD be possible...
Mammoth...the same problems as the fenrir, and also a mammoth on its own does not feel that champion to me...but this is a tough spot, certainly. You have a dragon and a giant...a machine is probably out...a giant bird is out as well...well...seems like a giant beast might indeed be the best bet. Mammoth...Mammoth...I am uncertain. I will think about it...
Now, I see you did not give suggestions for all so far...so here are mine for Sanctuary, Stronghold and Citadel...
...before I go for it I noticed something I did not before...you mention you view both pixie AND dryad as a flyer...maybe it's just me but that is not at all my feeling to me dryads are definitely not flying. they are both supporters, yes, but dryads are, as said, not flyers to me!
Sanctuary...I am not really firm with Japanese (or any Asian) myths...I also am not a fan of sanctuary. But I will try, going for the sea/water connection mainly
Core...what about Kappa again (this time not looking like a toilet^^)? Alternatives...what about mermaids? IF they not too much resemble taht priestess? Or some flying Carnivorous Fish?
Elite...Kelpie maybe? I find this spot very hard, I must say...
Champion...well you got a dragon that is almost a snake...you got a giant crab...what you miss is...a KRAKEN!
Now, it will certainly get easier after this.
Stronghold...
Core: Well simply bring 'dem gobbos back! 
Elite: What aobut good old H2-style-stone-throwing trolls?
Champion...well that is not so easy I must admit because stronghold is somehow still a "raw strength" faction to me but more than one raw-strength-champ...maybe just go for it and do the Roc>Thunderbird again...
Citadel...swampy swampy swampy
Core: If it is not in dungeon, I'd definitely go for a wisp, with nice luring and allusion skills. Else, some beastie might suffice...simply a swamp snake?
Elite...simply bring back the troll?...unless it is in Stronghold as I suggested, maybe...hmmm...some evil spirit unit could work with the doc... If it's not with the sylvan faction, waspwort/carnivore plant of course might fight here well, too.
Champion...Coatl? no other idea by me
Also another questions...have you thought of war machines yet?
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posted March 09, 2015 07:37 PM |
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wow, Sir, I have to say it is difficult to satisfy you
later I'm going to respond to this in detail but right now i can say I'm not changing citadel because ... well it's a secret, but it's a collaboration and it's going to be goood 
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posted March 09, 2015 08:10 PM |
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You used heretic words.
You've written: "Work in Progress" *knock, knock, knock* Please, don't. I almost expected a cabir head appearing at the corner of my screen just like that guy's head back in MK game. *shivers slightly before getting back to control*
Line ups seem ok so far. I personally don't fancy all that use of Japanese names merged with English ones. I think what you can translate you could (yuki-onna) and only keep those that haven't any translation (Kirin). But that's a personal taste only, nothing to bother you really.
I like the Citadel line up, most due a nostalgic feeling. I would, however avoid making a line up that's mainly compressed by beasts on their own - unless some mechanics would make them work in a different way. I like Catoblepas over Gorgon naming too.
For Inferno, I would even dare using Ifrits as Champions. Doesn't hurt giving them more power to get out of the conventional Inferno Line up, I think.
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posted March 09, 2015 09:17 PM |
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wow, Sir, I have to say it is difficult to satisfy you
=D Quite probable. But after all, I'm just throwing in my thoughts don't be too concerned in satisfying me
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posted March 10, 2015 07:01 PM |
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Why is there Phalanx/Hoplite units in a Elemental faction???
Is it not better to fill the faction with elementals that represent the 7 type of magics in Heroes 7 (fire,water,wind,earth,light,dark,prime and mayby a element with a mix of everything)?
However...the Dungeon line-up and the Inferno line-up is perfection.
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posted March 10, 2015 08:18 PM |
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esparado87 said:
Why is there Phalanx/Hoplite units in a Elemental faction???
Is it not better to fill the faction with elementals that represent the 7 type of magics in Heroes 7 (fire,water,wind,earth,light,dark,prime and mayby a element with a mix of everything)?
However...the Dungeon line-up and the Inferno line-up is perfection.
It's because this is Polis faction, I have created this faction for ICTC
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=41112
and somebody ask my if i could post this line-up with the rest of them
It's funny that you would like more elementals because somebody else said that there is too much elementals
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posted March 10, 2015 08:24 PM |
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I personally don't like the idea of elemental units being under any faction bidding. What I do think is that they can be neutral units which can be corrupted towards any faction in particular under certain circumstances; but as an additional feature, skill per se, alternative upgrade, but not by having dwellings in any town whatsoever.
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moonshade
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posted March 10, 2015 08:50 PM |
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Regarding Haven...
That's how I would do them:
Core
Militia
Crossbowman
Wolfhound
Elite
Cavalier (upgraded to Hipogriff-riding Sky Knight)
Crusader (a mix of the Abbot and Swordsmaster- a spellcasting heavy melee unit)
Craftsmen (a pair of two engineers manning a ballista of some kind)
Champion
Nemesis (a badass, scythe-wielding Angel)
War Chariot
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posted March 10, 2015 10:43 PM |
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@Jiriki9 Ok, I'm not even quoting your because it would be too long
I was thinking of a mummy with some hex and zambie with poisoning, other creature i was thinking about is werewolf, as the most offensive core creature, strictly melee attack.
I'm not fan of Lamassu either but I'm getting used to it, I'm going to think about different undead beast and no bone griffin, it would look like smaller copy of a dragon.
Abyssal Worm
I like the idea of Squire
we forgot that moving griffin knight to champion leaves a place for another elite, i have added beast hunter but we need one more, ideas ?
cave spider, spider  spider  nope
maybe something else
I don't like the idea of Pegasus Rider in Sylvan, "Slyvan would now be a bit flyerless elsewise" well yes but some people complained that all the factions follow the same patter and it makes them boring and elves are connected to earth so this faction can be flyerless, maybe insted flyer one more shooter
I'm not huge fan of Phoenix in Sylvan but there will be 3 champs so i can go with it.
Don't like the idea of halflings because just like peasants i find them to be weak creatures which have a place as a tier 1 creature in 7 tier system not in 3 tier because those creatures in the same tier should be somehow at the same level, and halflings as powerful as battle bears ? even with some kind ability it's not right
Fortress is hard, mammoth don't like it ?
flying Carnivorous Fish ? there is already flying eel, so maybe not as for mermaids it could look like this priestess so i thought about Triton and instead kelpie - Hippocampus, What do you think ? Some peope said they don't see the kraken outside of water so idk about that
Stronghold
ok, will consider
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posted March 11, 2015 09:57 AM |
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Werewolf....I somehowhave problems with them in the necropolis because they do not really feel "undead" for me...possible it is, of course.
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and no bone griffin, it would look like smaller copy of a dragon.
because of the beak?
AByssal wormlooks nice.
Another haven elite...hmmm cavalry + abbot + beast Hunter ... looks like what is missing in the elites is a tank, unless thecavalier is made more defensive then offensive. Problem is to find a suitable one.
One more shooter for Sylvan...sounds fun - but which unit for that?another elf? I think not...some plant-being? Could becool, but it would ahve to be distinguishable from Treant and from Dryad. A Beast? why should it shoot?
May I ask, as a side note, since which installment you are with the series? Just curiosity
Well, and if these halflings were mounted? (as mentioned, for example on soem kind of bird)?
The problem with mammoth, in your lineup, I think comes through that Bronthotherium elite. two bulky, hairy, primeval herbivores. If the mammoth has riders, it is even closer to it. If not, it feels less champion to me.
Triton is a really nice idea. Hippocampus as well... for Kraken: You got a flying eel - why then not a walking kraken? Alternatively you could think about some turtle or such...unless that is too reptilious for sanctuary, as you also have a fortress.
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