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Thread: Minastir's HVIII line-ups This thread is 13 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 · «PREV / NEXT»
Minastir
Minastir


Promising
Famous Hero
posted March 27, 2015 11:05 PM
Edited by Minastir at 22:30, 28 Mar 2015.

Articun said:
Yup, i've seen it! Not a fan of Troll and Yeti though to be honest. Doesn't feel as coherent with the dwarfs. Also Master of Fire and rune priest feel very similar, although they do try to make two separate units.

Like I wrote, troll can be changed because I'm not huge fan of it myself, what could replace it ? not another dwarf, nothing mechanical and no halflings I didn't had ideas, even considered dwarf on owl
Master of Fire is only shooter and rune priest only spell catser, so player needs to make a choice

EDIT:Also, Articun and everybody What do you think about stronghold line-up like that ?

Core:
Mauler (HVI)
Harpy
Goblin
Bramble Beast

Elite:
Centaur
Orc Shaman
Panther Warrior but this time not only by name but actually orc on the panther
Oliphant

Champion:
Behemoth
Cyclops
Bloodfrenzied Wyvern

EDIT2:
Jiriki9 said:
And while we are at the centaurs...no. Personally, for me: no female centaurs. It's like male harpies. It's jsut...wrong. Personal thing of course. And also...please NO HORNS! Centaurs are horse-humanoid hybrids, not antelope-humanoid.


I guess you don't like HVII centaur which is actually based on antelope




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Mediczero
Mediczero


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Warlord of the sea
posted March 29, 2015 01:21 PM

Minastir said:
Like I wrote, troll can be changed because I'm not huge fan of it myself, what could replace it ? not another dwarf, nothing mechanical and no halflings I didn't had ideas, even considered dwarf on owl
Master of Fire is only shooter and rune priest only spell catser, so player needs to make a choice



Huldra:

Think over it...

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Greenlore
Greenlore


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posted March 29, 2015 03:57 PM

I think Huldra would fit more into the sylvan lineup than anything else.
I mean they are known to live in the woods and they pretty much look like that too.


What about a Warg?I mean yeah,Haven has already a wolf,but Wargs are quite literally giant wolves(for clarification Fenrir and his sons are wargs) or Jötunns(also known as frost giants,though they were not always giants) could fit into the fortress.
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Mediczero
Mediczero


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Warlord of the sea
posted March 29, 2015 04:21 PM
Edited by Mediczero at 16:25, 29 Mar 2015.

Huldra fits better into the core spot than most other suggestions from nordic mythology and folklore. The fenrir is far to big and wild to be a core, and the same goes for the jötunns...

As for why she should be in fortress and not in sylvan, I can say they was also know to live in mountains and underground...

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Jiriki9
Jiriki9


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posted March 30, 2015 08:56 AM

Quote:
I guess you don't like HVII centaur which is actually based on antelope


Indeed. I hoped they'd go for a reasonable centaur again, but were obviously mistaken.

Quote:
What do you think about stronghold line-up like that ?


Honestly, I'm sceptical about the BrambleBeast. Plantish creaturesare not really stronghold for me. The rest is fine, I think.

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Articun
Articun


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As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 30, 2015 10:17 AM

I'll have to agree on some parts with the above mentioned statements.

Huldra looks a bit too much like sylvan faction and Dryad evolution. I know she is Nordic based in mythology but i can't see fortress with their fires and ice use this kind of unit. Then again, i am not a fan of the bear either...

Now, Brumble beast should fit Bastion better (but we already have the waspwort from heroes IV which is quite the same )

Now as for the Stronghold lineup. It ain't bad, though i do prefer the Cyclops in Champion and Wyvern in elite. Cyclops could have boulders to throw as it did in heroes 3 instead of lazer eye.

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Minastir
Minastir


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posted March 30, 2015 10:35 AM
Edited by Minastir at 10:46, 30 Mar 2015.

The majority said it doesn't fit Fortress and that would stay but I'm going to create a proposition with some changes to the line-up that would include female dwarf

Jiriki9 said:
Honestly, I'm sceptical about the Bramble Best. Plants creatures are not really stronghold for me. The rest is fine, I think.

That was just an idea, it's out

Articun said:
Now as for the Stronghold lineup. It ain't bad, though i do prefer the Cyclops in Champion and Wyvern in elite. Cyclops could have boulders to throw as it did in heroes 3 instead of lazer eye.

but... both cyclops And Wyvern are champions, so what's the problem ?
and yes laser eye is silly and wanted to make him throw rocks, you're mind reader

the bramble should be replaced with some shooter

EDIT:



Core:
Defender/Mountain Guard -(walker/melee)
Bear/Battle Bear -(walker/melee)
Axe Thrower (out) ---> Student of the Flame/Master of Fire -(Walker/Shooter)
Troll (out) ---> Dwarf Novice (spellcaster/support?)

Elite:
Fire Spirit/Valkyrie -(flyer/support)
some kind of ice monster
Brontotherium Rider -(walker/melee)(and maybe some other name )
Rune Priest/Rune Patriarch -(Walker/spell caster)

What everybody thinks abut this idea ?

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Articun
Articun


Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 30, 2015 11:05 AM

How about:
Core
Defender / Hearth Guard (tank)
Rune caster / Far Seer or Oracle (the female dwarf - spell caster)
Flame Spear / Harpooner (ranged - good wall damage)
Salamander / Lava Crawler (fire spirit beast)

Elite
Battle Bear / Bear Rider (melee , damage dealer)
Battle Maiden / Valkyrie (saboteur and damage dealer)
Rune Priest - Fire Rune Seer or Ice Rune Seer (spell caster - saboteur)
Battle Dwarf / Armored Dwarf or some war-machine like operated with a dwarf unit, or a better idea for a heavy warrior dwarf

Champion
Magma Dragon / Obsidian Dragon (Obsidian forms when lava is forzen quickly aka when lava meets ice)
Fire Giant / Magma Giant
Ice Warg / Fenrir

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Articun
Articun


Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 30, 2015 11:39 AM

Also Minastir, in Stronghold you have Behemoth and Wyvern as champions and Cyclops in elite

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Minastir
Minastir


Promising
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posted March 30, 2015 11:49 AM
Edited by Minastir at 11:59, 30 Mar 2015.

Articun said:
Also Minastir, in Stronghold you have Behemoth and Wyvern as champions and Cyclops in elite

because we are talking about two different line-ups lol I was referring to the one on top of this page


Ok, I'm gonna try meet you half way

Core
Defender / Hearth Guard (tank)
Rune caster / Far Seer or Oracle (the female dwarf - spell caster)
Battle bear
Salamander / Lava Crawler (fire spirit beast)

Elite
Valkyrie (saboteur and damage dealer)
Rune Priest - Fire Rune Seer or Ice Rune Seer (spell caster - saboteur)
Brontotherium Rider
if new champion then yeti if not, ice monster or master of fire

Champion
Magma Dragon / Obsidian Dragon (Obsidian forms when lava is forzen quickly aka when lava meets ice)
Fire Giant / Magma Giant
Yeti or something else not fenrir/not machine

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Greenlore
Greenlore


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posted March 30, 2015 12:07 PM

@Minastir:
I think you could call the ice monster simply jötunn,I mean they were commonly referred to as frost giants,so making them big ice monsters would kinda work.

I think the core lineup could really need a bit more variation though,I mean it consists of 3 dwarves and a bear.

Mediczero said:
Huldra fits better into the core spot than most other suggestions from nordic mythology and folklore. The fenrir is far to big and wild to be a core, and the same goes for the jötunns...

As for why she should be in fortress and not in sylvan, I can say they was also know to live in mountains and underground...


As far as i read the huldra is generally just appearing in forests.
She belongs to a group of creatures called ra,who are keeper of a certain landform,with the huldra being the forest keeper(the bergsra being the one for the mountains)
And overall I'd say she wouldn't fit that much into the fortress lineup with her wooden back,since the fortress is all about fire,ice and to some extent metal too,which are all elements that clash with nature and wood.

And I was just generally suggesting some creatures that could fit(I think yeti for example could move out of the champion tier,he is far too similar to the behemoth and could be easily scaled down).
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Articun
Articun


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As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 30, 2015 12:07 PM

I must clarify some things first

The rune priest has two evolutions and you choose one of them, either fire or ice

As for the Yeti, i'd like it more on elite than champion. If it goes champion, it wouldn't pose such threat when you put it up with behemoth. On the other hand, i don't know how to explain why the dwarfs use Yetis

All in all though, i don't mind this lineup

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Minastir
Minastir


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Famous Hero
posted March 30, 2015 12:24 PM

Greenlore said:
@Minastir:
I think you could call the ice monster simply jötunn,I mean they were commonly referred to as frost giants,so making them big ice monsters would kinda work.

I think the core lineup could really need a bit more variation though,I mean it consists of 3 dwarves and a bear.

So jötunn=ice monster would be good champion ?
Articun said:
I must clarify some things first

The rune priest has two evolutions and you choose one of them, either fire or ice

this is heroes not disciples the game is not ready, first step 4/4/3 and yeti lives in mountains in the dwarfs territory

Ok, so would everybody like this lin-up

Core
Defender / Hearth Guard (tank)
Rune caster / Far Seer
Battle bear
Salamander / Lava Crawler

Elite
Valkyrie (saboteur and damage dealer)
Rune Priest
Brontotherium Rider
yeti

Champion
Magma Dragon / Obsidian Dragon (Obsidian forms when lava is forzen quickly aka when lava meets ice)
Fire Giant / Magma Giant
jötunn=ice montster/ i gave the picture of

and Articun what exactly saboteur type of unit does ? that people like to describe creatures with that, for example why your rune priest would be saboteur ?

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Articun
Articun


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As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 30, 2015 12:47 PM

As i understand it, saboteur are units that cause some ailments or status changes to enemy units. Like causing them have reduced magic damage, or initiative decrease, stats decrease etc.

Or they have spells like weakness, insect swarm etc

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Minastir
Minastir


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posted March 30, 2015 11:32 PM
Edited by Minastir at 23:33, 30 Mar 2015.

Updated Sanctuary and Fortress

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MattII
MattII


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posted March 31, 2015 04:30 AM

Hm, I would notice that Bastion seems to have more creatures than all the other factions bar Polis.

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Articun
Articun


Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 31, 2015 08:57 AM

Bastion was mqde with a 5/5/3 idea in mind, in which you choose a final 3/3/1 unit setup. The idea is to increase customization and play style while adding to the variety of the game.

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MattII
MattII


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posted March 31, 2015 10:53 AM

Are the others getting upped to 5/5/3, or are they being kept with 4/4/3?

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Minastir
Minastir


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posted March 31, 2015 11:06 AM

MattII said:
Are the others getting upped to 5/5/3, or are they being kept with 4/4/3?

it depends, now I would like to finish 4/4/3 with stronghold line-up and gonna start thinking about upgrading line-ups to 5/5/3 but for some factions it's easier to come up with new creatures for others it's more difficult (for example - Haven) especially when you want to have well balanced lin-ups and staying in the Ashan universe and what's possible and what's not, I would need other peoples help with that, also I thought that maybe before updating the line-up focus on creating the abilities for all the existing already line-ups but that would be really long proces, in the meantime, me and Articun are trying to polish our Bastion faction for contest and also my Polis faction

If you have any interesting ideas for all the factions except Bastion and Polis feel free to share with us

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Greenlore
Greenlore


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posted March 31, 2015 12:42 PM
Edited by Greenlore at 14:57, 31 Mar 2015.

Yeah I understand that,I am myself also planning to do a HVIII lineup,but I want to wait until we saw all the HVII creatures(also I currently don't have the time for such a project)

Haven however is kinda difficult,as most inhuman creatures feel out of place and even the human ones have a rather limited choice of what feels right.

I actually think the peasant as another core creature could make a return,they could be the weakest core creature of all,but make it up with their low cost and huge numbers
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