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Thread: Vote for the Lich design This thread is 20 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 · «PREV / NEXT»
verriker
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posted March 28, 2015 09:18 PM

like I said on an earlier page, the Undead Sorcerer is clearly based on the negativland fan concept art where he is definitely a skeleton, so if they don't properly adhere to their own source material there will be only them to blame lol
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Elvin
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posted March 28, 2015 10:10 PM

Liches in Ashan cannot have skeletal faces. Unless there's a retcon
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posted March 28, 2015 10:22 PM

Elvin said:
Liches in Ashan cannot have skeletal faces. Unless there's a retcon




I think you mean a retcon of a retcon lol
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posted March 28, 2015 10:33 PM

Yes, inception style.
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Stevie
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posted March 28, 2015 10:36 PM

Retconing Ashan would be a terrible loss, indeed They should get their priorities straight.
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Sligneris
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posted March 28, 2015 10:43 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 22:52, 28 Mar 2015.

Well, I see what they were going for with Vampires being a superior form of Liches, really, I do - believe it or not, many people would prefer to have their skin and flesh intact. That's why they needed to make up a sensible reason why people would become liches rather than simply choose to become a vampire instead.

They could have made it so, that liches have bigger magical prowess than vampires, so some would choose to remain without flesh, but then characters like Arantir wouldn't make sense, since there are some vampires that are vastly more powerful than most liches.

That being said, what exactly prevents liches in Ashan lore from being skeletal? Not by choice, of course, but due to having all of one's flesh rot away?

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posted March 28, 2015 11:20 PM
Edited by verriker at 23:22, 28 Mar 2015.

usually, and certainly in Enroth, the sensible reason to be a lich instead is not wanting to pathetically drink blood and be stuck indoors lol, Mezizto's bio in Heroes 4 explains that both those forms of immortality have a disadvantage

if you're a vampire you have to feed regularly and must keep out of the sun, but you still look handsome,
and if you're a lich you look like death and need to take care of your phylactery/soul jar, but gain great magical powers and don't need sustenance

of course, on Ashan, where our vampires petrify their own organs, age backwards and all that crap lol, they still end up trading off being ugly for having to drink blood anyway, so really the normal interpretation where it is one curse or the other makes much more sense lol
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Sligneris
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posted March 28, 2015 11:30 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 23:30, 28 Mar 2015.

Quite honestly, I don't like the vampires-dying-to-the-sun thing. It feels like a hear-say, an exaggeration of the fact that originally, sun only weakened vampires. Not to mention, don't even get me started on that garlic nonsense...

That being said, if vampire is a more advanced form, why does it require human blood, while lich form doesn't? Could be it be that the venom is simply more powerful in vampire's veins?

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posted March 28, 2015 11:37 PM

I love the idea of vampires burning in sunlight, it's great lol

apparently the vampires have more venom than liches and human blood just so happens to be the only thing that thins down this venom, how convenient lol

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Vampires don't need to eat, drink, sleep or breathe anymore as all their organs are petrified and it is not blood, but the sacred spider's venom, that now flows in their veins. However, they need to drink human blood on a regular basis to thin this venom down, and prevent it from dissolving their body from the inside.

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posted March 29, 2015 12:38 AM
Edited by Sandro400 at 00:50, 29 Mar 2015.

Stevie said:
Unfortunately for you, I do too.

Guess what you linked there, a vanilla Necromancer. In Reincarnation it looks like this:
And one more thing, Disciples units evolve with experience, Heroes units don't. So you essentially captured an Initiate mid-process of becoming an Archlich, going from flesh to no flesh at all. Not an accurate analogy.


I'm happy for you.

/reaching for my face with right hand/
Why did you even write this? It's completely irrelevant. The request is "Please, tell me he has skeletal face. Or that he's skeletal at all. ", which you convinietly decided to not answer. I hope you do understand that I posted this image because the artworks are similar, especially their faces, which - as I said - are not skeletal. Or will you tell me now that "they have nothing in common"? ^^
Or do you think I don't know that I posted the image of Necromancer?
Let me just reiterate: nobody promised skeletal liches. And nobody have changed the rule that Ashan skeletal liches are rare exceptions. I don't understand why you of all people cling to the idea that Undead Sorcerer will 100% be that skeletal lich and not look like this Necromancer guy (at best case scenario).
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Galaad
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posted March 29, 2015 01:05 AM

verriker said:
like I said on an earlier page, the Undead Sorcerer is clearly based on the negativland fan concept art where he is definitely a skeleton, so if they don't properly adhere to their own source material there will be only them to blame lol

This just makes me wondering, this fan concept art has been highly praised by the community back in the days of Heroes 6, yet Ubisoft along with Limbic (more Ubisoft than Limbic, in my personal opinion) decides to put it on a voting.
And once again, the ambiance started to smell in here again.
Wouldn't it have been the better move to do, coming from company which claims to respect its fan base, to directly implement the art from a graphical artist of the community, instead of encouraging people to flame through their ever flooding official dev blog?
So my suggestion would be, since all three concepts are somewhat decent, why not vote for the people who expressed themselves through  art and creation?
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Sandro400
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posted March 29, 2015 01:15 AM
Edited by Sandro400 at 01:18, 29 Mar 2015.

Galaad said:
Wouldn't it have been the better move to do, coming from company which claims to respect its fan base, to directly implement the art from a graphical artist of the community, instead of encouraging people to flame through their ever flooding official dev blog?
So my suggestion would be, since all three concepts are somewhat decent, why not vote for the people who expressed themselves through  art and creation?


A good suggestion indeed, but there're legal issues AFAIK. At least this artist should receive some money imo - and we know how Ubi handles money ^^ + haters will say "hey, those guys can't even do something on their own, their fans are doing their work for them". Or maybe they will be even required to hire this "community artist" in order to use his work.
Even when Ubi hired Marzhin for his outstanding LoA, they haven't acknowledged it as "official", it remains fan-work to this day.
I'd say it's morality and common sense VS corporation ethics and rules.
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GenyaArikado
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posted March 29, 2015 01:18 AM

Companies technically own all fan art iirc, or at least Blizzard did. But most generally avoid outright using them unless its a contest of some sort. Getting "inspired" by them is a different deal tho. A perfect example is this:

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http://wowgoldpig.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/azshara-in-concept-art-and-in-game-model.jpg


that being said, being a company that actually pays attention doesnt mean they have to twist and destroy their work to be serve your whims, so im glad that the winner will be modified according to Ashan lore.


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Galaad
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posted March 29, 2015 01:18 AM

Sandro400 said:
I'd say it morality and common sense VS corporation ethics and rules.

So for which will you vote, morality and common sense or corporation ethics and rules? I have to say, it is easy on me that the first one fits my personal taste.
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Sandro400
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posted March 29, 2015 01:23 AM

Galaad said:
So for which will you vote, morality and common sense or corporation ethics and rules? I have to say, it is easy on me that the first one fits my personal taste.


Oh c'mon. It doesn't matter at all for what I'll "vote", we don't have any vote on this ^^
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Stevie
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posted March 29, 2015 03:06 AM
Edited by Stevie at 05:24, 29 Mar 2015.

Sandro400 said:
Stevie said:
Unfortunately for you, I do too.

Guess what you linked there, a vanilla Necromancer. In Reincarnation it looks like this:
And one more thing, Disciples units evolve with experience, Heroes units don't. So you essentially captured an Initiate mid-process of becoming an Archlich, going from flesh to no flesh at all. Not an accurate analogy.


I'm happy for you.

/reaching for my face with right hand/
Why did you even write this? It's completely irrelevant. The request is "Please, tell me he has skeletal face. Or that he's skeletal at all. ", which you convinietly decided to not answer. I hope you do understand that I posted this image because the artworks are similar, especially their faces, which - as I said - are not skeletal. Or will you tell me now that "they have nothing in common"? ^^
Or do you think I don't know that I posted the image of Necromancer?
Let me just reiterate: nobody promised skeletal liches. And nobody have changed the rule that Ashan skeletal liches are rare exceptions. I don't understand why you of all people cling to the idea that Undead Sorcerer will 100% be that skeletal lich and not look like this Necromancer guy (at best case scenario).


Thank you.

/reaching for my face.. with the wall/
Why did you even write this? It's completely irrelevant. The problem is that you see the sketch to be more similar with the D3 equivalent of Necromancer, which is a possibility, while I see it more similar to the D3 equivalent of Lich, which is also a possibility. Or will you tell me now that "that's not true"? ^^
Or do you think I don't know that you knew that you posted the image of Necromancer?
Let me just reiterate: nobody promised skeletal liches. However, there is a tiny possibility for Ubisoft to have finally understood at least a little something from our requests. And if there is no rule for a skeletal lich as of yet, that doesn't mean that they cannot make one, possibly even with this version of the lich we're voting now. I don't understand why you of all people clings to the idea that we claimed an 100% skeletal Undead Sorcerer while all we want for the moment is a more/the most skeletal looking lich there is and not look at that Necromancer as the worst case scenario, lol
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Sligneris
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posted March 29, 2015 12:58 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 13:05, 29 Mar 2015.

Well, at the very least, Galaad's actions have driven away at least two people from voting for Undead Sorcerer, so I'm glad that there are others who don't condone his behavior... That being said, I shudder to think how many people he actually managed to convince with his loud, childish screaming.

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Dies_Irae
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posted March 29, 2015 01:33 PM
Edited by Dies_Irae at 13:43, 29 Mar 2015.

Sligneris said:
Well, at the very least, Galaad's actions have driven away at least two people from voting for Undead Sorcerer, so I'm glad that there are others who don't condone his behavior... That being said, I shudder to think how many people he actually managed to convince with his loud, childish screaming.


"snowythrone" ('snow' is actually something else but it gets autocorrected to snow here), "pathetic disgrace", "brainless Ashanite"...one is left to wonder if he's really as old as he claims to be.

You know, I have gathered a whole lot of alternative titles on that blog .

Marblethrone The Lecturer
,, The H6 Fanboy

And now I can add these too. I think I should start a collection on my profile page .

But seriously, this is getting out of hand and I must admit that I am still part of it. There is a fire that won't die out...
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Sligneris
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posted March 29, 2015 01:45 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 13:49, 29 Mar 2015.

Galaad definitely acts like an angry 13-years-old...

You know, we should ask Moshi to add "The Lecturer" as one of the titles. I know I'd use it.

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Dies_Irae
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posted March 29, 2015 01:49 PM

Sligneris said:
We should ask Moshi to add "The Lecturer" as one of the titles. I know I'd use it.


I'd prefer "The Poet", as a reward for my contribution to the Fan Day Challenge .

Anyway, we're going offtopic so I better turn my attention back to some liches. It seems the Priest of Death is lagging behind in the poll here, and he probably won't win the real vote either (however, one can always hope). I'd probably congratulate the winner in advance, whichever it is. Priest, Sorcerer, Mummy, they're all winners.
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